RPGM Completed Mirage's Defection [v1.04] [chimaLABO]

[Rugerrell6]

Does anyone know where this pole twerking scene is in the game after Luna becomes a familiar? I know there's another scene that uses this cg after the MC calls Luna after he's ambushed in the library, but that's before Luna becomes a familiar.

Thats not a pole twerking scene that cg is just the event toward the end of the game where Luna tries to seduce leo and another member of the defense team. She succeeds and the defense team guy busts a nut on her ass. Its after she has become a familiar and Leo manages to get her to waiver her subjugation just for a second or 2.

 

[lasso33]

Thats not a pole twerking scene that cg is just the event toward the end of the game where Luna tries to seduce leo and another member of the defense team. She succeeds and the defense team guy busts a nut on her ass. Its after she has become a familiar and Leo manages to get her to waiver her subjugation just for a second or 2.

Is this on the Luna NTR Route or the double NTR route? I tried the calling out to her option on the Luna NTR route, but it just got me the same puff puff scene, and I thought

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EDIT: Nevermind, I found the lone survivor in the storage room. Thanks.

 

[PulseOver]

I gave up on NTR route near the end. Luna's too loyal to MC, it's hard to go NTR. Feels like I'm forcing it. It feels really good to break that demon's control curse and get your servant back with the power of sex though.
This game is really good man, I might try their previous game as well. It was a good read.

 

[Senya_boy]

Thats not a pole twerking scene that cg is just the event toward the end of the game where Luna tries to seduce leo and another member of the defense team. She succeeds and the defense team guy busts a nut on her ass. Its after she has become a familiar and Leo manages to get her to waiver her subjugation just for a second or 2.

EDIT: Nevermind, I found the lone survivor in the storage room. Thanks.

Wow, I feel like I try to be really thorough with exploring in these sort of games, since that's kind of the point, but I had completely missed out on this scene, had no idea it existed. That's part of why I love reading the threads after playing though!

I gave up on NTR route near the end. Luna's too loyal to MC, it's hard to go NTR. Feels like I'm forcing it. It feels really good to break that demon's control curse and get your servant back with the power of sex though.

The "feels like I'm forcing it" take is interesting! I'm assuming you mean in the sense of it feeling out of character for Luna in your interpretation of her. I can definitely see that, though I ended up having a bit of a different take. Spoiler-ing the rest of this for my general ending thoughts (including some on NTR end, in case you don't want to see those details, Pulse).

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[Rugerrell6]

Wow, I feel like I try to be really thorough with exploring in these sort of games, since that's kind of the point, but I had completely missed out on this scene, had no idea it existed. That's part of why I love reading the threads after playing though!



The "feels like I'm forcing it" take is interesting! I'm assuming you mean in the sense of it feeling out of character for Luna in your interpretation of her. I can definitely see that, though I ended up having a bit of a different take. Spoiler-ing the rest of this for my general ending thoughts (including some on NTR end, in case you don't want to see those details, Pulse).

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I actually dont like that ending. It feels like the build-up of Luna and Iviel teaming up was all for nothing. It would have been better if Iviel was either able to fuck Kurone to or at least incapacite her so Iviel and Luna could go after Sadi later on. If you remember Iviel also wants to go after Meryl the Succubus that serves Sadi as well which would have made for another interesting story in the grand scheme of things. If Iviel is able to get those 2 strong subordinates and try to take out Sadi and get the top spot is kinda like an underdog story which is so much cooler then the OP character always wins story in my eyes. But they game is still cool no matter what happens. The characters are awesome I love all the female characters designs especially Luna. So we will have to see where this series goes in the future. This game is literally called Mirage's Defection so it feel like it's only right if Luna stays corrupted and on the evil side.

 

[Telolet]

Ok

 

[PulseOver]

Wow, I feel like I try to be really thorough with exploring in these sort of games, since that's kind of the point, but I had completely missed out on this scene, had no idea it existed. That's part of why I love reading the threads after playing though!



The "feels like I'm forcing it" take is interesting! I'm assuming you mean in the sense of it feeling out of character for Luna in your interpretation of her. I can definitely see that, though I ended up having a bit of a different take. Spoiler-ing the rest of this for my general ending thoughts (including some on NTR end, in case you don't want to see those details, Pulse).

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Yeah thats what I meant, it feels out of character. She cares a lot for MC, you witness it even in the flashbacks, then the Imp comes over to ruin everything. Even after getting fucked by the monster, she returns to MC's bedroom and sleeps alongside him.

Idk, I feel like both NTR targets are not "genuine", like in those other NTR games. You know when the chick goes "OMG, I like the way he fucks me, he has bigger dick than my boyfriend" etc.
In this game Luna is pretty much reluctant, her only weakness is the threat of "MC getting blown up to pieces" and the blonde chick thinks MC is the one fucking her. Both of them eventually become submissive because of the cures's nature.

To me NTR feels more like a hypnosis thing in this game. You even get hearth symbol appear on the character screen UI. Like debuff.

I also picked those "tempting" choices you mentioned, gave in for all of Kurone's seduction attempts first and then told Luna to take off the mask and smooch.

 

[Senya_boy]

I actually dont like that ending. It feels like the build-up of Luna and Iviel teaming up was all for nothing. It would have been better if Iviel was either able to fuck Kurone to or at least incapacite her so Iviel and Luna could go after Sadi later on. If you remember Iviel also wants to go after Meryl the Succubus that serves Sadi as well which would have made for another interesting story in the grand scheme of things. If Iviel is able to get those 2 strong subordinates and try to take out Sadi and get the top spot is kinda like an underdog story which is so much cooler then the OP character always wins story in my eyes. But they game is still cool no matter what happens. The characters are awesome I love all the female characters designs especially Luna. So we will have to see where this series goes in the future. This game is literally called Mirage's Defection so it feel like it's only right if Luna stays corrupted and on the evil side.

That's an interesting take, especially the underdog point. I think, for my end, it's just impossible for me to view the guy doing the NTR as ever being an 'underdog'. Like, assuming the NTR is even remotely well-done, they will only ever elicit two responses in me: the horny part of me wants them to completely and thoroughly succeed in making the girl(s) totally fall, and the non-horny, emotional part of me wants them to fucking get their comeuppance for being such complete pieces of trash. (The latter part may or may not also apply to the girls, depending on how they are written).

Still, I do feel like I get where you're coming from! If nothing else, I do absolutely love how tangled the web of relationship dynamics was in this, particularly within the 'villain' side, and how they very much were not fully aligned. Like you get at, it really opened things up for some more nuanced, interesting dynamics than you get in a more 'standard' NTR set-up.

Yeah thats what I meant, it feels out of character. She cares a lot for MC, you witness it even in the flashbacks, then the Imp comes over to ruin everything. Even after getting fucked by the monster, she returns to MC's bedroom and sleeps alongside him.

Idk, I feel like both NTR targets are not "genuine", like in those other NTR games. You know when the chick goes "OMG, I like the way he fucks me, he has bigger dick than my boyfriend" etc.
In this game Luna is pretty much reluctant, her only weakness is the threat of "MC getting blown up to pieces" and the blonde chick thinks MC is the one fucking her. Both of them eventually become submissive because of the cures's nature.

To me NTR feels more like a hypnosis thing in this game. You even get hearth symbol appear on the character screen UI. Like debuff.

I also picked those "tempting" choices you mentioned, gave in for all of Kurone's seduction attempts first and then told Luna to take off the mask and smooch.

Oh yeah, this was absolutely in the sub-genre of mind-control / hypnosis / magic. I know how contentious that can be. It's personally never bothered me; I just don't see "this magic spell is slowly warping the way I think and making me more and more obsessed with him" to be any more hand-wavey than "this incredible cock is slowly warping the way I think etc. etc.". Definitely can be different sorts of vibes to the different sub-genres though, and totally get not being into one as much as the other, if at all.

(Speaking personally, I came to NTR by way of a mind control / hypnosis / corruption kink, so obviously I've got no complaints with that flavor).

 

[Telolet]

How to get good ending not true ending?

 

[TheDarkDude]

1.05 should release soon. Mostly bug fixes but also some new lines/dialogue in a couple scenes.

How to get good ending not true ending?

Dont learn everything about the star fragment. Im pretty sure its the same ending except you just dont get the teaser for Orion.

 

[Telolet]

1.05 should release soon. Mostly bug fixes but also some new lines/dialogue in a couple scenes.



Dont learn everything about the star fragment. Im pretty sure its the same ending except you just dont get the teaser for Orion.

What? Its same? Then why they make it become 2 different ending

 

[kvvia]

1.0.5 just got released, wonder will there be an updated version here with TL

 

[Telolet]

So its doesn't matter luna get corrupted or not, we still can have either good end or bad end just by choose the route?

 

[sirviper235]

So its doesn't matter luna get corrupted or not, we still can have either good end or bad end just by choose the route?

Pretty much

 

[sirviper235]

Ok so im just gonna drop a little theory about the game, characters and especially the NTR of the game. Feel free to read if interested. I'll try to spoiler it but im not too familar with it so might do it wrong.


We can all agree that the more you think about it. The NTR with Luna really doesn't make much sense and given how obessivly loyal she is to the main character it shouldn't even really be possible and even the game makes very weak 'I panicked' excuses. WIth Luna lampshading how this plan shouldn't of worked in the NTR route ending. But here's the thing.

I think that the reason the Luna NTR doesn't make sense is that Luna was NOT the original love interest of the game and was never intended to be used for it originally. There's a decent amount of evidence twords this, the obvious being how kinda nonsensical the NTR route is if you play it and the game even says it might feel weird/not make much sense as a warning once you reach point of no return with it.

So if it wasn't suppoused to be Luna that was the love interest,who was it and who was the NTR route originally written for? The answer is simple. It's the character that feels completly wasted and tonally whiplashed.

Kotori.

EVERYTHING about the game makes 10X more sense if Kotori was the original love interest and childhood friend while Luna was a second source of tempation alongside Kurone to tempt the PC away from his love. For starters.

Do me a favor and go back back to chapter 1. Notice anythign funny when you check the stat screens? If wanted or needed I will provide a screenshot but. That's right. Kotori is there. Before being replaced by Kurone. But why on earth is she there given how kinda pointless she is to the game in either route?

And why is it when you play chapter 1 Luna and the player character don't seem to have the deep romantic relationship that the game is built on? WHen you watch ALL of their early interactions, its very clear the PC is NOT used to her looks and can get held up oggling her body. And a few choices have you either foucus on her or think about Kotori, in almost the exact same way it works with Kurone and Luna fro the rest of the game.

The answer to all this is simple.Luna was not intended to be a love interest. She was a temptation, same with Kurone. Wanting to steal the player character away from Kotori. Who it seems like at first has a deeper connection with the player character than she acutally does. It's easy to read her as a childhood freind when really they only just met and barley know eachother.

Compounding ALL of this?

Kotori has like. 4 scenes. tops. All of which are NTR themed. Execpt that it's not NTR at all. And they just make you raise your eyebrow more than anything else the way they are framed/wrritten. As they are NTR themed. Without a bond or relationship behind it as her and the PC are barley even freinds really. He basically has zero reaction to her with the red armored soilder. Or anyone else beacuse she's a comrad in arms but that's about it to him.

Once her subguation is broken she practicallly fades into the ether and stops really mattering to the plot. But why is this? I think it's beacuse what we can see with her are the remnants of the original NTR route with her.

Think about how she even got into that sitaution at all. It is incredibly dumb and even if your really, really into NTR it's not really going to do much for you. The imp shows up. Turns into the PC and she just jumps on him and has sex with him in an instant. And the text is all about 'unrequited love' For someone she met all of like...A few weeks ago.As the story establishes she only JUST transferred and JUST met the player.

It's really nonsensical and makes her look like an idiot and doeesn't really make sense in context of the story or the character, for her to be so needy and lonley and pining super hard for someone she JUST MET.

But.

Let's say that Kotori was a childhood friend of the PC. Prhaps even a fiancee or girlfriend. And that Luna or Kurome up till that point had been distracting the PC so much that he didnt sit to eat with Kotori. He didn't go on patrol with her. He didn't check up on her or even encouage her.

Now the attention and bond she's used to having is no longer present and her needs are building up. then in comes the imp...And that scene suddenly makes a good deal more sense.

And let's think about how Luna wound up under the Imps influence due to the PC's wound and how he promises to give a cure/break to it in exchange for pleasure. Put Kotori in that position for a second. Doesn't it make a lot more sense but a clusmy,insecure and self doubting and easily upset girl like her to panic and accept that sitaution and then hide the informatoin about it and be easily intimidated and manipulated by a demon? Escpially if it's for the one and only person that seems to belive in her or is nice to her?

Now with all that said and this is getting very, very lengthy. Let' look at the NTR endings and how...Anti-climactic they are. Everyone knows in the NTR ending. Kurone just insta wipes/nukes Luna and the Imp when they team up. It's pretty underwhelming considering how much of a big deal the game made Luna out to be espcially with her anti-magic weapon. Furthermore it's very strange LUna just leaves the subjugation on her as long as she does when she has the means to break it easily wih some risk.

But let's say again. That this is Kotori. Doesn't it make a LOT more ense that the two would get taken out so quickly and easily? Furthermore people have discoveed in the code cut content for other endings that are there but unusable

So with all that premable out of the way here is my take for the orginal concept of the game.

The game had Kotori and 'Leo' as the main couple/lovers.

Kurone was the tempation/Reverse NTR for the demons.

While Luna was the tempation from a diffrent side. Luna is a whole can of worms but i won't get too far into that due to sheer length of this. But if anyone is curious i can. But to cliffnotes it. It seems like Luna's tempation route may of been more about Leo surrendering his will to her and letting her smother and baby him to be fully dependant upon her and not be able to think or live without her. A lot of her scenes with him lean on this but it's just treated as what makes their relationship cute. Plus in chapter 1 her scenes feel very 'tempation' themed.

If the player was reverse NTR'd by either Kurome or Luna, Kotori would feel lonley and get NTR'd and controled by the Imp. If it was Kurone she'd be the one to end the imp and Kotori's lives. But if it was Luna that we get Reverse NTR'd by the same applies. THo probibly it was more bloody and she may of broken the subjgation first to make sure Kotori knew what was going to happen and to rub it in.

BUT.

This was all cut down and changed. Most likley beacuse the devs liked Luna a lot and thought she would be more fun to NTR only to realize she was far stronger willed than Kotori and it didn't really make sense and had to keep lampshading that.

AND beacuse they had to tone down the reverse NTR as the game was most likley origignally VERY lopsideded. WIth a ton of Reverse NTR and not nearly enouph normal NTR due to having 2 girls trying to tempt the main character but only one imp for Kotori.

The game s very ambitous and clearly had a lot planned. But over ambiton clearly hit them and they had to cut a lot of stuff down and change it. Most likley to hit their own deadlines. As the game only came out like a year after their previous one. That's not a lot of time. If they had given themselves 2 years. This game may of been much better i think.

That is enoupih for now will try to spoiler this. I hope anyone bothers or cares to read and has thougths to offer.

 

[dhuemnptai]

IMO what makes the NTR so good is that Luna is really loyal. The justification is a bit convoluted because if she dispels the curse, the protagonist remembers his traumatic past.

My real pet peeve is that every magical "Gift" only happens to those who were corrupted. Kurone recieves infinite mana after Sadie corrupts her. Luna gets super stealth only if she is corrupted by Iviel. I hate it.

 

[Telolet]

For me, the provocation is too weak, there is no urgency for luna to do that far with iviriel. Same with luna, leo doesn't need to do mp replenishment with kurone because mp recovery can be covered from eat dinner or from luna and we only use it for make barrier, the management is very easy.

 

[Rugerrell6]

For me, the provocation is too weak, there is no urgency for luna to do that far with iviriel. Same with luna, leo doesn't need to do mp replenishment with kurone because mp recovery can be covered from eat dinner or from luna and we only use it for make barrier, the management is very easy.

Thats made to be like that on purpose so you dont have to do replenshment with either, both or just one. It makes sure you have enough mana to do that so you can get all the scenes. The whole barrier thing I believe is just part of the lore and is meant to make you use your imagination its not really an impactful mechanic that should be taken seriously. And I dont believe the provocation is to weak because we arent in the LI's bodies. We dont know how the subjugation spell is actually affecting them, but to me it seems like it pretty much makes them think of sex 24/7 and Leo being the timid virgin type of character that he is, it would make sense that the females would seek out the easiest targets to relieve their suffering. Which are Iviel and the Soldiers. Luna already feels like she has to sexually interact with Iviel anyway to create the item to cure Leo. Luna being as devoted as she is would do pretty much anything to protect Leo and that point is made pretty clear. So all the provocation is there. Of course some of this is gonna be hard to believe because its based on magic and supernatural powers.

 

[sirviper235]

It is worth noting. In the NTR Rec-room ending. Luna herself does lampshade the fact that Iviel's plan shouldn't of worked. Like. At all. And she wouldn't of really ever been corrupted by him. ANd the game has mulitple moments of disclaimers that are basically 'Hey if you follow the NTR route choices stuff is probibly not gonna make much sense in the writing but we are just forewarning you' Which...Says alot.

Given if you play the 'true' route and learn the full backstory of Luna and the plot it's pretty obvious she'd never betray the player. Like ever.

But man is it really stupid only after being corrupted do characters get 'gifts'. Like. Come on. That's just dumb.

Tho i will give credit. The game really made me feel bad for Kurome. She's a good person that's been twisted so badly by Sadi that she can't even answer why she even likes him. And how she truly does care for the defence force members who are all good natured and kind people who care for her, but can't even mentally accept that.

It's just...sad. And that's honeslty good writing right there.

 

[sirviper235]

You know. If anyone is up for acutally having an in depth disucssion on mirage. Let me know. I'm a writer by trade. So what really gripped me were the themes and characters. So i'd love to talk more about it in between my H- game translations and testings.