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Rugerrell6
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Well like someone has mentioned previously both of the upcoming games are female protag's. If scenes are happening to both of the main characters I don't see why it matters if you play a male or female. Leo is a little better then Hayato but he's not that great either. Every female in the game could kill him in 3 seconds flat lol.nooo! i wanted to play as leo :/
the whole reason this game stood out was cause it had a male protag who was actually written well, even for an ntr game. i just hope the female pov is only for a few scenes or certain situations, not a full switch
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When an NTR game MC is male, majority of the time they are idiotic, indecisive. confused and WEAK. He might not be idiotic but he is weak physically and mentally. This is a world where demons and humans are battling for supremacy so power is important. And not only is he physically weak, he is weak when it comes to the temptations of Kurone (Can't really blame him for that I guess.) But Leo holds Luna back because she constantly has to protect him. She wouldn't have ended up cursed in the first place if it wasn't for Leo. Leo is the weak link in this entire game period. He might not be as bad as most male MC's but he is still pretty bad.
It doesn't matter if the MC is male or female if both characters are getting scenes. That's how I look at it at least. Also I don't self insert so male or female doesn't matter to me.
That's not even true - this is you projecting. The game literally starts with him doing battle and putting himself in danger to rescue a female friend.
The main plot is literally about his willingness to risk his life and take on more responsibility than he otherwise needs because he wants to live up to his personal ambitions about himself. If Luna was in in charge they'd gtfo out of there and go somewhere safe.
In the setting there is no reason to believe he isn't of above average power. He literally is setting up these powerful barriers and multiple times we see him use his power to save others.
The only two who are more powerful than him are literally freaks like Luna and Kurone who can destroy whole armies by themselves.
Yes - he is weak to temptation because he is virgin and Kurone is super hot and also using magic.
Yes - he holds Luna back who is literally the most powerful character in the setting. He does help her psychologically which is her weakness and gives her direction when Luna would otherwise be aimless without him - so "holding her back" is kinda inaccurate . This isn't a setting where the MC is so irredeemable that we should be happy he is getting cucked and the girl is dumping him.
So this is you projecting lol. While you have one good point and one half truth that I acknowledge - overall what you are saying is just not what happened in the game.
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All three main human characters are weak, yes, even Kurone. Leo has his basic flaw, his MP problems, Luna is a mental wreck, Kurone is desperately trying to ignore the fact that she has no memory and that despite what Sadi says, she knows no-one cares about her at all.
Leo is possibly the most emotionally stable person in the main cast to be honest, sure he makes up for it by being the weakest in combat but he obviously out performs the guard girl (name eludes me, starts with a K, better GF material than Luna though.) Leo's real problem is that his support network consists of one batshit assassin, a girl who wants to steal his bombs and ride him into the sunset but won't say anything and the cook.
Luna is, quite frankly not great at anything other than combat and assassin stuff, for someone so PTSD vigilant she is as oblivious as they come. While i understand the dynamic of her staying sane by carrying harder for Leo it was never going to turn out well, she needs time, space and not to have to kill anything for a while to be ok. Nobody in the setting really gets that, not even Leo though he tries, which is more than most MC's could think to do. Also Luna has 0 empathy for the female characters, she trains the guard girl but doesn't talk to her on her own time, ever.
Kurone is pretty interesting because she hasn't lost her personality completely when she was turned. I get the feeling that if she sat and thought long enough she'd know something was wrong, she knows that is trying to ignore it. Arguably the more she is involved with Leo and away from Sadi the more interesting her deliberate ignorance of her predicament becomes.
Basically the writing is pretty decent, better than i've seen in 90% of NTR stuff and adjacent games.
The one thing i would say is that one decently sane human being, male or female for the main three to talk to who had it together would utterly break the situation, literally if Leo had one friend who was capable, sane and that he didn't feel like he had to "lead" the plot would dissolve instantly. But hey, Japanese melodramatic anime logic, what's really holding you back is your personality ect. Not that that's a bad thing, it can be quite entertaining.
Slightly sad we never get any sharing or lesbian content in these games though, i'd love to see what a "saved" Kurone and Luna would look like.
Leo is possibly the most emotionally stable person in the main cast to be honest, sure he makes up for it by being the weakest in combat but he obviously out performs the guard girl (name eludes me, starts with a K, better GF material than Luna though.) Leo's real problem is that his support network consists of one batshit assassin, a girl who wants to steal his bombs and ride him into the sunset but won't say anything and the cook.
Luna is, quite frankly not great at anything other than combat and assassin stuff, for someone so PTSD vigilant she is as oblivious as they come. While i understand the dynamic of her staying sane by carrying harder for Leo it was never going to turn out well, she needs time, space and not to have to kill anything for a while to be ok. Nobody in the setting really gets that, not even Leo though he tries, which is more than most MC's could think to do. Also Luna has 0 empathy for the female characters, she trains the guard girl but doesn't talk to her on her own time, ever.
Kurone is pretty interesting because she hasn't lost her personality completely when she was turned. I get the feeling that if she sat and thought long enough she'd know something was wrong, she knows that is trying to ignore it. Arguably the more she is involved with Leo and away from Sadi the more interesting her deliberate ignorance of her predicament becomes.
Basically the writing is pretty decent, better than i've seen in 90% of NTR stuff and adjacent games.
The one thing i would say is that one decently sane human being, male or female for the main three to talk to who had it together would utterly break the situation, literally if Leo had one friend who was capable, sane and that he didn't feel like he had to "lead" the plot would dissolve instantly. But hey, Japanese melodramatic anime logic, what's really holding you back is your personality ect. Not that that's a bad thing, it can be quite entertaining.
Slightly sad we never get any sharing or lesbian content in these games though, i'd love to see what a "saved" Kurone and Luna would look like.
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Lol what exactly am I projecting buddy? What your saying makes no sense. I don't think you even know what your talking about because you say im projecting but you don't say what it is that I'm projecting? You are the one that's projecting because you are angry and hurt that I told the truth. Sorry but the truth doesn't care about your feelings. Leo is a weak character. He has to drink potions to do literally anything. Even his grandfather says he is weak in the story because he can't create the same level barriers as his father or grandfather. Leo needs to rely on the mp replenishment of others to do anything. He almost gets killed several times but Luna saves him on several occasions. The game mentions many times throughout that Leo has an ailment and that he has a weak constitution. Luna and Kurone both dominate him and look at him as a child who needs protection. Luna even has a line of dialog where she says "Young Master you can't do anything and would be lost without me." There are so many lines of dialogue and pieces of evidence in the game that back what I'm saying so clearly you are just in denial and are the one projecting. Thank You come again.
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But you're the one who made the pivot to talking about power. When others were talking about personality or the handling of the character himself. Scrolling up to the 1st person. They were talking the character. You made the leap to power. Second person said who cares about power, and went back to character. Once again, your biggest point went back to power. This comment also does it, but it's more so in response to someone else also entertaining the power talk so.
Either way, everyone was talking about A, but you keep moving to B, to prove your point. We get it and saw it, he is weaker and has flaws. It's a moot point because people enjoyed playing as him. That's it. He's weak? Cool. Irrelevant.
Has the developer revealed who the male antagonist of the mini project is? I wonder if we're going to get more one off antagonists like Ivieru and the only recurring male antagonist will be Sadi or if there are going to be more recurring villains. Also in this game Kurone mentions a demon that is similar to Luna because they love fighting or something, is that demon a guy or a girl? The translation sometimes fucks up the gender so I was wondering what their role in the story could be, maybe the next demon that will target Luna.
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Kinda sad we didn't get a bit more with the guards. Like the blue armor guard having even a few scenes would have been nice, being available as Luna slowly gets corrupted
I see, thanks. I'm curious if they'll stick around or if they are only going to appear in one game.
You know I’m looking back at this game as the new one is on its way and we can see that instead of having Luna be an NTR target she’s actually part of the temptation and is a threat to the main character? Which honestly fits her character a lot better.
That she wasn’t a bad choice for NTR at all for mirage. The problem was that the type of NTR they were going for was a terrible idea because it didn’t fit her character and didn’t make any sense to work and by default should’ve failed without player input.
Why? Because they chose the wrong type of NTR for the character type Luna is. It’s plain and simple and by the time they realize that it was already too late.
That is all. Just wanted to say it. Hope anybody agrees.
That she wasn’t a bad choice for NTR at all for mirage. The problem was that the type of NTR they were going for was a terrible idea because it didn’t fit her character and didn’t make any sense to work and by default should’ve failed without player input.
Why? Because they chose the wrong type of NTR for the character type Luna is. It’s plain and simple and by the time they realize that it was already too late.
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That is all. Just wanted to say it. Hope anybody agrees.
I think the image shows Luna training Hayato. It would make sense if Luna plays the role of a mentor figure for the pair, trying to teach each one of them to overcome their weakness. Selia just learned that she's the hero so she needs sword training and Hayato already knows how to fight so he needs to learn how to resist temptation. Luna is suited for both seduction and combat training. There is a chance that the new antagonist will somehow trick Luna but as you mentioned, she's a strong character so the chances of that are small. It's more fitting for her to be Hayato's and Selia's teacher. I'm curious about what the game will end up being like, because with Luna there it would be strange if she doesn't pick up on what's going on and interferes with Meryl's plan.
Fully agreed with all you have said honestly. Although I think that going by with the Google translate said she’s actually more of a threat to him in this new game?
At least if I’m reading it right it seems like she’s not sure if she can trust him and after what she knows what attempted on Leo she’s probably trying to check if he’s a threat and is easily lured away by the bodies of women. But I could be wrong.
But aside from that, I fully agree with everything you said. They do seem to be using Luna properly now because she’s not going to be involved in any NTR. Which is probably them learning the lesson that it wasn’t a very good idea the first time. Lol
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I dont see where you people get these opinions. Obviously you are free to have them but I completely disagree. Luna is perfect for NTR. She is loyal to Leo to a fault which makes her perfect for NTR. Her devotion is so strong that its her weakness. All you have to do is use that weakness against her and its corruption time baby. Luna practically looks like she is a Succubus Army character just with her design alone.
Leo is focused on trying to learn as much about the treasure as he can while trying to be defend the Mansion and find the traitor all at the same time and he doesnt focus on what is happening with Luna. And once Luna gets corrupted she becomes so desperate to save Leo and due to her blind faith in his character that she doesnt realize Kurone is starting to sink her claws in him. Since nothing else matters to her but saving him trivial things like doing something lewd (which she does on assassinations anyway) become a quick and easy way to reach that goal and not such a big deal to her in the grand scheme of things. She believes she could never lose to a low class devil and that ends up being her downfall. He blind faith and obsession with Leo caused her to underestimate her enemy.
And since the game is called Mirage's Defection it was most likely intended for her to betray Leo and the Human side. The Dev even said on Ci-en that he used to have a route where Luna becomes corrupted by Iviel and then Sadi steals her from Iviel. She was always meant to defect to the evil side. Corruption and NTR are the genre's the dev enjoys making so why wouldn't the main heroine be used for those things?
Leo is focused on trying to learn as much about the treasure as he can while trying to be defend the Mansion and find the traitor all at the same time and he doesnt focus on what is happening with Luna. And once Luna gets corrupted she becomes so desperate to save Leo and due to her blind faith in his character that she doesnt realize Kurone is starting to sink her claws in him. Since nothing else matters to her but saving him trivial things like doing something lewd (which she does on assassinations anyway) become a quick and easy way to reach that goal and not such a big deal to her in the grand scheme of things. She believes she could never lose to a low class devil and that ends up being her downfall. He blind faith and obsession with Leo caused her to underestimate her enemy.
And since the game is called Mirage's Defection it was most likely intended for her to betray Leo and the Human side. The Dev even said on Ci-en that he used to have a route where Luna becomes corrupted by Iviel and then Sadi steals her from Iviel. She was always meant to defect to the evil side. Corruption and NTR are the genre's the dev enjoys making so why wouldn't the main heroine be used for those things?
I don't think that people in here disagree for luna becoming ntr object in this game
From what i see, they are who complained is complaining about how story goes on or how the characters get developed. Even the post before not complaining about luna as main ntr object but how they do ntr on luna.
From what i see, they are who complained is complaining about how story goes on or how the characters get developed. Even the post before not complaining about luna as main ntr object but how they do ntr on luna.