VN Ren'Py Completed Monster College [v1.0.0] [Monster Eye Games]

[Ayhsel]

Jesus christ, you must have written a book on straw man arguments, because that was the largest paragraph of bullshit I've read in a while. I never said I want ALL options. I said that the addition of options is always good. And i explained why. And i even said that it does mean more work. It is much easier to add in branching paths once you have already committed to making branching paths, the only downside to this is more work but that is the only one. Because at the end of the day more choice means more players can experience a story the way they want, meaning more people can enjoy it and avoid the things they do not enjoy. You seem to think that adding more choices implies adding in a choice for everything at every turn. It doesn't. It would be really cool to do that, but it's not feasible. But adding in path choices IS very doable. MANY games on this site in fact have done and still do this. It isn't like there are a thousand girls in this like something like wvm or grandmas house or one of the other mega harem games around. It's a fairly reasonable cast that you could write in choices in a reasonable manner to allow for people to not pursue some characters while going after others, and based on certain characters personalities not include them in certain options as it would not make sense unless they write in something that happens to change that dynamic.

I explicitly said not all paths have to be different. Learn to read. Second, let me tell you exactly what you are saying, you moron.

More benefits is better. Wow.. what a profound statement. We would not have realized that without you. What I have been saying is "yes, but it comes with additional cost" which you are totally discarding. "he can add more stuff" that comes with extra cost in development. For example, slower updates. WVM (up to what I read) and (I assume Grandma's house too from what I know) are precisely linear games in which you just have options to skip content. Those are essentially not choices. Remember i wrote explicit "real choices"?

There is also the fact that not all choices allow for good stories. Say you put in a game of Lion King choice to save Mufasa. Or choice to make Scar a good character. Or in spiderman choice not to be bitten by a spider... or choice to save uncle Ben. You destroy the character. then what do you do?

As for the resource argument. That's just you blowing hot air. They do not have share holders or a board of directors to please, so as long as they communicate with backers and keep a stable income, that resource use is stable and fine. So again, there is no reason to use lack of resources to say they can't do something. They have all of the tools required to do what they need to do already, and any assets they can't or do not want to make themselves they can buy or have commissioned with the income they are making, which is exactly what that income is for, to keep working on the project and eventually release it in full.

Proof that you have no idea how this works again. No, they dont have all that. They have patrons. Patrons that support the game. Start delaying development time or reducing the quality, those patrons will leave. Patron essentially works by reputation stuff. Fucking up your reputation is very costly.

Now please explain what "stupid" things people are asking for here? What are these "no" requests you seem to think are being made? Are people asking for all the girls to suddenly grow dicks and fuck the mc? Are they asking for men to be in the harem? Maybe vore? No. Just some extra choices in a harem game, which in most cases revolve around choices in trying to get the girl to add into the harem, unless it's a kinetic novel with zero choice from the start.

Those same girls you are trying to add were originally written in a way that contradicts harem. So those are unreasonable choices. Is like suddently asking the developer "i dont like werewolves, make MC a vampire instead". There is a continuity that you just shouldn't destroy. Yes, potentially he can make a very convoluted and complex, most likely long path in which those characters eventially accept harem. It is NOT reasonable to do this, at least no if you are expecting some quality.

And your monroe example is flawed. No, flat out wrong. We are not talking about options involving literally impossible things. We are talking about conversations with a person that can lead to different outcomes. Saying there is no chance to fuck marylin monroe is such a disingenuous take to make. Like yeah, she's fucking dead , that's not the kind of best outcome we are talking about, and you know it.

This was just an example. Extreme precisely to make it clear. That i need to explain this is sad. The point was precisely that not everything in life is possible. I was even being extra nice but let me be clear now. There is, in my opinion given what I read from you, 0 chance you can get Margot Robbie. (disclaimer: honesty requires i said I have 0 chance too).

And yes. Nearly everything on this site is porn. If you don't think so, go and play this in public and see how that goes, and please take video of the outcome, it would be funny to see how passersby react to you fucking a demon women in a game on a laptop in some cafe or park somewhere. Saying this is not porn is just a semantics argument, and a wrong one at that.

That something is used for a subset of what is supposed to be used does not contradict that its intend is broader. So I will post below this. Read carefully please.

And yes, this is a forum. A forum for a game with a focus on harem. So yeah, what are you doing here if you don't like these things or at least seem not to? That's like going onto the forum for a game with heavy ntr and complaining it doesn't have any vanila sex where the main character beats up the guy cucking him and taking back his love interest. It's just not on the table to begin with. So getting into an argument about it is just plain dumb. Like saying yeah i don't like this is one thing, but going on and on about why and how and what it should be like some of these people are about the harem needing to be removed, like why even bother chiming in at that point? It's not a product for them, nor was it ever, and trying to advocate for that to change is just plain silly.

The focus on harem happened midterm. In fact, it was so badly implemented that it required several updates to correct the inconsistency when all girls learned about each other. That was in fact my original post. The problem was that it was added to characters that are not written to allow for this. And they suddenly "sure it is fine". That is just terrible writing. Sticking to original design was a better alternative. You would not see me complain about this in Once in a lifetime, for example.

 

[Bmagada]

I was gutted by the Olga scene....but I dont think its the harem thing, it's how often the MC will tell women he loves them. I know thats directly tied to the harem in a couple of ways, but lore wise, it makes sense. There's no way a part of your love divided would have ever been enough to keep the spell going, especially how she describes her and the woman that created her. As soon as she started to describe it, I knew she was going to die and my wayward teen willy would not be enough to save her. Yeah, you might not like it and I hated it, but if you got every chick just because of big ol wolf dick than the writing and consequences would feel stale. Even worse it'd make Olga feel less special.

 

[Kond]

I love harem and i liked when this game took this route, but in the last few updates im not enjoying the game that much and it made me deslike some characters.
Not fond of lesbians/bisexuals, so Lily and Sofia are not options for me anymore...i know you can "get jealous" there, but this kind option should be given before, not after...and like i said, i like HAREM, not Polyamory...
I like Dragomira, that thing with MC's father left a bad taste and the way dev managed to resolve the issue didnt convinced me that much, she could be a harem member but realistic speaking i cant see her accepting it, and if she does would not fit her character even with her in a sub route...but im still thinking about a solo route only.
Ghost girl didnt want to join, so out of the question...shes not good enough for me to pursue her on a solo path while refusing other L.Is, and if she changes her mind i would not accept her anymore.
I didnt like Olga as a L.I, i would not want her in the harem but i dont want her dead.
That art teacher is like a side fuck imo, so i dont consider her a L.I...same for Rachel's mother (shes married)
MC's ex, didnt catch my interest...could be a harem member but she seems not be into it and she needs more development.
The Fish girl, well, she could be a +1 in the harem but im not fond of her tbh...im inclined to refuse her.
I like Rachel and wolf girl (her name slipped my mind.)

Now im thinking about deleting all my saves and making only a route with Rachel + wolf girl (and maybe exgf), and a solo route with dragomira with mc being the dom.
But if girls continue to become unlikable for some reason i will end up abandoning the game.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I love harem and i liked when this game took this route, but in the last few updates im not enjoying the game that much and it made me deslike some characters.
Not fond of lesbians/bisexuals, so Lily and Sofia are not options for me anymore...i know you can "get jealous" there, but this kind option should be given before, not after...and like i said, i like HAREM, not Polyamory...
I like Dragomira, that thing with MC's father left a bad taste and the way dev managed to resolve the issue didnt convinced me that much, she could be a harem member but realistic speaking i cant see her accepting it, and if she does would not fit her character even with her in a sub route...but im still thinking about a solo route only.
Ghost girl didnt want to join, so out of the question...shes not good enough for me to pursue her on a solo path while refusing other L.Is, and if she changes her mind i would not accept her anymore.
I didnt like Olga as a L.I, i would not want her in the harem but i dont want her dead.
That art teacher is like a side fuck imo, so i dont consider her a L.I...same for Rachel's mother (shes married)
MC's ex, didnt catch my interest...could be a harem member but she seems not be into it and she needs more development.
The Fish girl, well, she could be a +1 in the harem but im not fond of her tbh...im inclined to refuse her.
I like Rachel and wolf girl (her name slipped my mind.)

Now im thinking about deleting all my saves and making only a route with Rachel + wolf girl (and maybe exgf), and a solo route with dragomira with mc being the dom.
But if girls continue to become unlikable for some reason i will end up abandoning the game.

I don't like harem but I don't mind if it's in the game as long as it's optional

and the same goes for lesbian content it's not my thing but I don't mind it if it's optional

I don't care if I reject a girl and she goes and finds love with whoever makes her happy

but if I'm in a relationship with a girl I don't want anyone touching her but me

 

[TigerWolfe]

thats a law of nature

I prefer harem games, but this is in fact NOT a law of nature. Packs of wolves have a breeding pair, that are the mom and dad of basically all the other wolves. Packs are family units, sons and daughters will split off and lone wolf for a while before finding a mate and then starting their own generational pack. There is no such thing as an Alpha in a wolf pack, that's bad science, so bad that the guy who did it has retracted everything and regrets publishing it.

 

[Jacowboy]

anyone knows if the dev has said something about how much longer will the game go on for? 'cause I'm kinda thinking I'd rather wait for it to be fully finished and fixed... seems every update brakes my saves and stuff gets changed =/

 

[Double0Harambe]

anyone knows if the dev has said something about how much longer will the game go on for? 'cause I'm kinda thinking I'd rather wait for it to be fully finished and fixed... seems every update brakes my saves and stuff gets changed =/

it feels as if it's getting close to the end now, wrapping up some paths and saying goodbyes to others i can only assume the end is coming sooner than we would like

 

[stahlblau]

Olga, rest in peace. You were so sweet.

 

[strickeen]

The ghost girl not participating in the harem had already made me very upset. now Olga dies? I am very disappointed with this game. a game with such great potential to make two shits in a row is complicated.

 

[Joshy92]

All this thread is is people discussing the harem and its been that way since the harem tag was removed when the dev himself stated there will be no harem but we will have some throuple options.

And if the dev backtracks on that well then like all devs who try and please everyone the story will suffer hell from what I've read it already has.

 

[SerHawkes]

I'm just waiting for the Pregnancy arcs to hit... Harem or not.

 

[AgnorWolf]

All this thread is is people discussing the harem and its been that way since the harem tag was removed when the dev himself stated there will be no harem but we will have some throuple options.

And if the dev backtracks on that well then like all devs who try and please everyone the story will suffer hell from what I've read it already has.

Its a bit fucking stupid on the devs part to come here to say that the they mistaged the game remove the harem tag and say only throuples at the end, while also having an almost full blown harem route in the game where all but 2 girls have joined your harem. kind of sending mixed messaging there me thinks lol.

 

[Double0Harambe]

Its a bit fucking stupid on the devs part to come here to say that the they mistaged the game remove the harem tag and say only throuples at the end, while also having an almost full blown harem route in the game where all but 2 girls have joined your harem. kind of sending mixed messaging there me thinks lol.

technically it kinda is a harem we just can't collect ALL the girls. we have nina, maxine, rachel, sophia, lily, dragomira (not sure how that will work besides being an occasional fuck) and grace while anne might be possible as well (i fucking hope). im not even mad we can't collect them all either, disappointing sure but this is the devs story to write so i will roll with it. what makes me sad is killing off characters that add flavor to the story and school. library is closed so no one can get books and study, the school loses an highly intelligent and helpful individual and making it so much lower in value. sure eventually staff will be replaced (you know shosha is getting fired for helping with the painting as well) but for us readers it leaves a hollow feeling that replaced the wonder and excitement for the story i originally felt when starting to read. hopefully wednesday season 2 this november fill the void

 

[MonsterEyeGames]

Today, with all due proportion, I know how G.R.R. Martin felt when he had Ned Stark killed...

Anyway, as someone else already pointed out, the polls I did over on Patreon are not for this game; they're just to get an idea for my next project.

Monster College's basic plot, that I wrote over a year ago, has never changed.

I realize that you are better than me and anticipated some content, making it seem like I added or changed stuff to please you (the bit with Anne was supposed to be a twist, but I guess you all expected it)

Sometimes I implemented stuff wrong (and other times I had to add stuff in because you pointed it out to me), but the general plot never changed.

This game was built to have a partial harem.

If I wanted to do it with a harem that included all the LIs, I would have never written in some characters, or would have never put them in that role.

I always said that the game would not provide a full harem (which is why I had the harem tag removed).

I said it a year and a half ago I said it again 4 months ago (just above was linked my August message) now to make sure it is clear I will put the link to my message from a year and a half ago Here.

Regarding those who are getting the error in the pool scene, I'm guessing they are using a mod.
Some day, I will have a one on one with the mod developer to figure out where/why it breaks the game.

 

[deithwenaddanyncarnaepmor]

Today, with all due proportion, I know how G.R.R. Martin felt when he had Ned Stark killed...

Anyway, as someone else already pointed out, the polls I did over on Patreon are not for this game; they're just to get an idea for my next project.

Monster College's basic plot, that I wrote over a year ago, has never changed.

I realize that you are better than me and anticipated some content, making it seem like I added or changed stuff to please you (the bit with Anne was supposed to be a twist, but I guess you all expected it)

Sometimes I implemented stuff wrong (and other times I had to add stuff in because you pointed it out to me), but the general plot never changed.

This game was built to have a partial harem.

If I wanted to do it with a harem that included all the LIs, I would have never written in some characters, or would have never put them in that role.

I always said that the game would not provide a full harem (which is why I had the harem tag removed).

I said it a year and a half ago I said it again 4 months ago (just above was linked my August message) now to make sure it is clear I will put the link to my message from a year and a half ago Here.

Regarding those who are getting the error in the pool scene, I'm guessing they are using a mod.
Some day, I will have a one on one with the mod developer to figure out where/why it breaks the game.

Hi there,

Hopefully you're doing fine. Have you read my messages? It's been a while now...

 

[deithwenaddanyncarnaepmor]

I don't want to sound too insistent but the French-speaking people who play your game need to get this problem fixed.

 

[Abhai]

Today, with all due proportion, I know how G.R.R. Martin felt when he had Ned Stark killed...

Anyway, as someone else already pointed out, the polls I did over on Patreon are not for this game; they're just to get an idea for my next project.

Monster College's basic plot, that I wrote over a year ago, has never changed.

I realize that you are better than me and anticipated some content, making it seem like I added or changed stuff to please you (the bit with Anne was supposed to be a twist, but I guess you all expected it)

Sometimes I implemented stuff wrong (and other times I had to add stuff in because you pointed it out to me), but the general plot never changed.

This game was built to have a partial harem.

If I wanted to do it with a harem that included all the LIs, I would have never written in some characters, or would have never put them in that role.

I always said that the game would not provide a full harem (which is why I had the harem tag removed).

I said it a year and a half ago I said it again 4 months ago (just above was linked my August message) now to make sure it is clear I will put the link to my message from a year and a half ago Here.

Regarding those who are getting the error in the pool scene, I'm guessing they are using a mod.
Some day, I will have a one on one with the mod developer to figure out where/why it breaks the game.

dude, if your ultimate goal is to earn money from those projects, by all means do make polis and afterwards implement all "winners" (incest, harem, prego, ntr, futa...). it wont matter much if such game has any sense (nor its overall quality), as long as it has decent renders and animations, kinkers will love it.

if your goal is to tell some story and make games you wanna to play, while earning some money alongisde the road, dont bother with polis and people wishes too much...averages are pretty low nowadays, particularly regarding zooone (and similar communities), and you probably dont want to step that low with your project/game.

p.s.
the less you are included in convos with "fans" the better...ultimately would be for the best if you cut it off completely.
some of the best and the most reliable devs are doing it that way. as the saying goes "the dogs bark, caravan goes on"

 

[jkjkjkjkjk]

Today, with all due proportion, I know how G.R.R. Martin felt when he had Ned Stark killed...

Anyway, as someone else already pointed out, the polls I did over on Patreon are not for this game; they're just to get an idea for my next project.

Monster College's basic plot, that I wrote over a year ago, has never changed.

I realize that you are better than me and anticipated some content, making it seem like I added or changed stuff to please you (the bit with Anne was supposed to be a twist, but I guess you all expected it)

Sometimes I implemented stuff wrong (and other times I had to add stuff in because you pointed it out to me), but the general plot never changed.

This game was built to have a partial harem.

If I wanted to do it with a harem that included all the LIs, I would have never written in some characters, or would have never put them in that role.

I always said that the game would not provide a full harem (which is why I had the harem tag removed).

I said it a year and a half ago I said it again 4 months ago (just above was linked my August message) now to make sure it is clear I will put the link to my message from a year and a half ago Here.

Regarding those who are getting the error in the pool scene, I'm guessing they are using a mod.
Some day, I will have a one on one with the mod developer to figure out where/why it breaks the game.

Keep up the great work! Know that people appreciate that you create characters with unique personalities and stick to their character. Not just cookie cutter characters that just go with whatever whim the MC wants. There are plenty of games that are just fuck everyone and everything and all characters are into it.

 

[Goopgoop]

Wrong, the lousy drama is pulling the game down.
Everyone who clicked the game in the latest updates did it for the fantasy genre and the monster girls. Not to pick one, see them die or get forced to avoid the only hope of a ghost to regain her physical body. If you dont like harems thats a YOU problem you may solve in other games. Every alpha wolf has a harem and fucks whoever he wants in the pack, thats a law of nature and the fantasy setting just expands this law over multiple species.

Correct, its a game, so it should be fun to play and fanatical monos like you should be able to go after one girl if they want, but it shouldnt force the other players to ruin the fun by deciding between keeping their harem or letting people die, or in case of the ghost, stay dead.
I dont play games for drama, i play games to have fun and forget the drama real life forces my way, including dying girls.

Just to be clear, I enjoy harem games as much as the next guy... but you probably shouldn't use the alpha wolf argument because the alpha wolf concept has long been debunked. The initial research from which those assumptions originate, was regarding captive packs, which did not accurately reflect wolves social structure in the wild.

In the wild, wolf packs are generally family units consisting of a breeding pair and their offspring. The parents are naturally the leaders, and do not fight for supremacy with their children. Also, unsurprisingly, they do not mate with their own offspring. Children between 1-3 years old leave the pack in a process called "dispersion". They don't overthrow their parents, instead they separate, roam large distances, find a mate and start their own pack. Thus maintaining the genetic and social structure of wolf populations.

 

[KillerBee487]

I said it a year and a half ago I said it again 4 months ago (just above was linked my August message) now to make sure it is clear I will put the link to my message from a year and a half ago Here.

Oh no man. Just 2 or 3 max at the end? You're gonna break a lot of hearts. This wave of hate is gonna be lesser than the ending one