The only way to purge things in this game is with your dick and hopefully turn them into good people..... Or just play Shrift to enjoy some good ole fashioned monster purges.
Ren'Py Monster Girl Dreams [v26.8a Alpha] [Threshold]
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The only way to purge things in this game is with your dick and hopefully turn them into good people..... Or just play Shrift to enjoy some good ole fashioned monster purges.
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Turning someone good sadly does not undo the bad things they have done like soul eating is literally the worst thing I can imagine in a setting with a known afterlife and gods. she also brings up torturing priests and priestesses without any remorse, I do not know if there is any way to atone for these things...
I know this a porn game but I am kind of invested in this lore now. On another subject what is shrift btw?
I agree with you about not fixing the bad things in the past by just not doing them now or becoming a better person, but there probably will not be any attempt for atonement from the monstergirls. The lore is mostly campy with only a few dark characters thrown in so I doubt there will be a major focus on a dark aspect such as seeking atonement when none may be offered. You might make them a better person with your dick, but that's about it.
As for what shrift is I'll just leave a link.
Shrift
To be entirely fair, it's not like the humans were innocent. A large amount of the atrocities mentioned should be seen in the context of a war in which both sides did absolutely horrible things to each other, especially Kotone's backstory - and while there might be no way to "balance the scale" for soul-eating re: Sofia, I think it's if anything more worthy of respect if she'd know that, but try for forgiveness anyway.
As for SHRIFT, that's a different and much more kill-or-be-killed game.
As for SHRIFT, that's a different and much more kill-or-be-killed game.
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And what "wanna be porn undertale" have similar with "monmusu quest" kind of game?
I seem to be having a bug/issue with getting back to the 3rd floor of the labyrinth. Made it there once, talked to the 3rd hellhound for a bit, then left since I wasn't in too healthy of a state. Since then, the option does not show up for me to go to the 3rd floor, even if I clear the first 2 again. @ThresholdMGD. Lmk if you want the save to look at or some such. To clarify, I'm on 24a (which listed that particular issue as having been fixed). Also ran into the issue of nothing happening after beating Venefica.
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I don't really get the vibe that you're really supposed to forgive Sofia at all and are only supposed to empathize with her to the degree that it's kinda sad that she lost the ability to feel emotions and that her actions were partially because she was just raised in a society where doing the things she dis was expected of her. And with Kotone I feel like the game does want you to empathize with her because it tries to explain how her mindset caused her to do the things she did and how she ultimately regrets those actions because it caused her to indirectly lose her family and directly caused Feng's death. Personally I feel like Kotone actually has suffered enough from her actions(like even if she killed hundreds she's also suffered with the guilt and fallout from that for hundreds of years as well) unlike Sofia and I kinda get the vibe the game actually wants you to think that as well and also contrast her with Sofia but that's just my interpretation of it.
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This game is not really like MGQ, MGQ is way darker and actually closer to SHRIFT in tone (altough MGQ is more emotional and you kinda skip the porn in it, you play it for the story)
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Her backstory are basically "I was a soldier, I had an order....we went there a kids, came back a monsters %insert vietnam flashbacks%".
Victim of abusive relations that decided that love does not exist, love is an illusion....hypnosis are far better that this.
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No. While yes, MGD is not like a MGQ overall concept is kinda similar.
But MGQ is not like shrift at all.
MGQ was about "HEY, stop being an asshole that milk semen from mens and kills them!!!!" with main point on "be peaceful m8, `mnkay".
Shrift is about "Im gonna make you my bitch...food...living sex toy...ehhh, something........unless, unless, you kill me.....also you can tame me, for whatever reason". While game heavily implies that "they just a
Like in MGQ its clear if you get into monster girls hands its the end for you, youll be eaten and raped, without particular order. Straight and clear, kill to live, live to kill.
And in shrift its like "if demon catches you its kinda the end, but actually not, also you can fight back, or dont, or tame her, hmhmhm......".
They looks similar but in fact they not. Its like "I want slaves to be free, you want slaves to be free, we are not the same" kind of things.
Well it's more to point out the dissimilarities between Shrift and MGD. If you want to kill the evil demon ladies in Shrift you can and that's a pathway the game takes. You won't find that kind of stuff here in MGD so you wouldn't be able to kill Sofia or Kotone like Bloody was asking about purging the lands and such.
while we are talking about Shrift here. while i do like the game, i gotta admit the game screwed up when it comes to making the monster-girls sympathetic. they act like "ahh yes, come here my walking sex-slave nutrition package" but the games tries to give you the "they're not that bad" angle once it comes to befriending them. no offense, but you just tried to either brainwash me, eat me, or turn me into a lamp just a second ago, and the corpses of the other people speak for themselves. the girls really don't leave a good first impression on you.
by all accounts, MGD does a way better job at presenting sympathetic characters, even if some of them got some dirt on them. not as dangerous as the girls on shrift, but leave a far better first impression. helps that most of them here are just Really horny. and not a danger to anyone but your waist area.
by all accounts, MGD does a way better job at presenting sympathetic characters, even if some of them got some dirt on them. not as dangerous as the girls on shrift, but leave a far better first impression. helps that most of them here are just Really horny. and not a danger to anyone but your waist area.
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Thanks for the responses everyone and for the warnings and views on shrift I may check it out but it kinda seems like it demonizes you for killing literal murderous demons just based off what I read so far. On Kotone since some have brought up defenses for her I am torn cuz she is obviously very mesed up in the head but ultimately I still think she is evil because despite claiming she has changed in order to romance her you have to be Spoilers below
Enslaved by her hypnotism and if we talk to sofia we know what she did to those she hypnotized in the past once she tired of them. She sent them off to have their souls devoured. That in my opinion is horrendously evil not only did she break their minds and toy with them for years but then when she grew tired of this she cast them aside and gave them a fate worse than death. I am sorry but having a horrible experience with one human and losing your mother as a result of your own actions cannot even start to excuse this. Losing a friend to a human archer is also no excuse to permanently destroy peoples souls either. Kill the one responsible sure but make people your toys and then utterly destroy them when you are bored no.
She says she has changed but then what does she do to you? She lies and enslaves you like all the others who caught her eye despite the oni sisters stating she said she would not do so. Maybe one day she gets bored of you she already shows she values her word at nothing and is willing to lie who is to say she will not simply discard you as well like she did so many others?
Enslaved by her hypnotism and if we talk to sofia we know what she did to those she hypnotized in the past once she tired of them. She sent them off to have their souls devoured. That in my opinion is horrendously evil not only did she break their minds and toy with them for years but then when she grew tired of this she cast them aside and gave them a fate worse than death. I am sorry but having a horrible experience with one human and losing your mother as a result of your own actions cannot even start to excuse this. Losing a friend to a human archer is also no excuse to permanently destroy peoples souls either. Kill the one responsible sure but make people your toys and then utterly destroy them when you are bored no.
She says she has changed but then what does she do to you? She lies and enslaves you like all the others who caught her eye despite the oni sisters stating she said she would not do so. Maybe one day she gets bored of you she already shows she values her word at nothing and is willing to lie who is to say she will not simply discard you as well like she did so many others?
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I want to disagree but I can't.
Even if she seems all mellow and giddy now after you manage to "properly" romance her, there's always going to be that little doubt at the back of our mind, like, what if this is just another elaborate and convenient lie to catch us under her thumb and/or use us in some way, or what if she finds something else to focus her attention on and completely peels us off of her life like a used band aid?
While I can sympathize with her situation, because revenge and anger do tend to deafen everything else, there's a long road to cross between showing sympathy and wanting to be her foot stool (literally, in her case).
Although, to the game's credit, you're not actually forced to do either. You can just complete the thing and then never see her again.
I am having the same issue, seems to be a bug introduced with this new version as people have been completing the quest normally in the past.
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I don't think it really justifies the bullshit, though. As someone else points out later, Kotone continues to do some screwed-up stuff, and shows little remorse for it. Sofia even points out the end result of your involvement with her. Kotone doesn't tell you straight-up what your inevitable future will be once she gets bored, or implies that she would get bored. She allows the PC to make a bad decision without informing them of any negative conequences.
I can actually justify Sofia more on that basis, too. She never states outright that she's turned a new leaf or anything. She's just exhausted due to a lack of sustenance/entertainment, and given all the monster girls on the island are basically neutered, she probably doesn't feel very threatened by anything. She even outright states that she's letting you pass the trial without a fight because it's not worth crushing your aspirations this early. She was probably a high-ranking general of sorts who enjoyed the battlefield, was trapped on an island where succubi (like her) have the advantage in combat, and got bored after the first 200 hundred or so adventurers lost to her. Understandably, she's just bored as Hell and has stopped giving a damn.
MGQ tries to replace porn with plot, and it works. The main thing that a lot of devs (especially ones on places like this) forget is that it still understood that it is, by its bare premise, a porn game. it just decided halfway through the first game that it was also developing characters. In that sense, I would say the closest comparison to MGD is Lust Grimm. Both are porn games with minimal focus on an overarching plot and world-building. MGQ gave us an excuse as to why people are afraid of monsters. Lust Grimm just tells us "succubi are kind of voracious and you probably shouldn't risk getting raped too often."
As someone playing pacifist route of Shrift... no. Not even close. In the pacifist route, it's very clear that the demons are trying to survive. Ones like the Barghest and Lampas are, for the most part, basically animals subsisting on the one form of sustenance available to them only because they're mostly driven by instinct. When we get to "higher thinking" demons like Mother Rabbit and the Neko Sisters, the rationalizations get more grey. MR is driven by a maternal instinct and only behaved as she did due to
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Um, not particularly in either case. In Shrift, it's more about survival for the demons with lesser intelligence, while the higher-functioning ones are more empathetic and are usually victims of circumstance. In MGQ, Alice makes it clear that monsters only rape because Ilias fear-mongered and threatened to nuke everything to oblivion as a result, which forced the hand of the first monster lord. A lot of monsters are content to seduce Luka into a life of marital bliss, while others do attempt predation because of course they do. I think maybe a handful do the "milking slave" thing, and only because again, it's free food. Hell, there are I think two side quests where saving Human settlements is resolved because the persons who initiated the conflict were mistreated. I empathized more with Queen Ant than I did the people who died when she threw her rebellion. She even has a "suicide by cop" moment when you beat her, as if she feels legitimate remorse for the victims of her rebellion and wants to atone for it.
As stated about, a fair number of the demons in Shrift are going on instinct. The ones who can manage more than "you food, me eat" are victims of a conflict they were effectively forced to take part in. Heck, Mother Rabbit is a victim of the fallout, as are the Neko Sisters. It's shitty, but I wouldn't fault them for their actions too harshly, since they're not exactly operating under the best of circumstances. Oh, and don't get me started on Mu. Just... yikes.
They're really horny as a consequence of divine bullshit, though. Sophia makes a pretty clear impression of being able to outclass basically everyone below the DQ at this point, but does nothing because she's bored. Hell, the entire forest dungeon makes it clear that most of the first stage monsters are just done with trying at this point. The imps only try to rape any adventurers who enter the dungeon because it's a bit of excitement in the otherwise boring life they're currently living. The alraunes, elves, and slimes are very obviously sex addicts. The bag mimic had to artificially set her own difficulty. Yes, the forest dungeon is full of bored monsters and also shy mushrooms.
The will dungeon just basically repeats this premise, with one over-achieving succubus training an army while two oni sisters hold out hope that they'll one day face a challenge. Kotone is still doing her old schtick of using and dumping toys, while Minoni is still somewhat taking her job seriously. Most of the monsters range from either being too bored to care, or complete sex addicts, or just over-enthusiastic employees. I never got the impression from any of them (aside your
If choose to respond during her final hypnosis session with the "I trusted you" response and then choose to break down in tears it's pretty clear she's not actually that kind of person as she'll actually let you undo her hypnosis effects right away rather than making you do her challenge which isn't something a person whose trying to manipulate someone into allowing them to control their mind would do. And I highly doubt there'd be any reason to suspect she'd "abandon" you after you choose to pursue a relationship with her because if you choose to cry in the final session when you take her entire character into account she chooses to let you go immediately if you want in part because it actually triggered her trauma from losing her tail once she realized she just took advantage of your trust to sate her own desires like the guy from her past did to her.I want to disagree but I can't.
Even if she seems all mellow and giddy now after you manage to "properly" romance her, there's always going to be that little doubt at the back of our mind, like, what if this is just another elaborate and convenient lie to catch us under her thumb and/or use us in some way, or what if she finds something else to focus her attention on and completely peels us off of her life like a used band aid?
While I can sympathize with her situation, because revenge and anger do tend to deafen everything else, there's a long road to cross between showing sympathy and wanting to be her foot stool (literally, in her case).
Although, to the game's credit, you're not actually forced to do either. You can just complete the thing and then never see her again.
I think they're misunderstanding the other adventures Kotone did the hypnosis on for the trials with the people she mind controlled when she was going around with Sofia.
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I mean, there is a fate worse than death, and that's being a cripple left incapable of fending for themselves, at the whims of those you hurt, thrust upon their mercy with your only option of escape being self-termination should you ever figure out a way to do so. Going less deranged, you could be beaten to a pulp, thrown before your leaders, and have your near-death experience/example be a statement to those like you who got it in their heads to pursue a similar path. Play stupid games, etc.
My understanding is Sophia is just bored. She can basically solo most adventurers and cripple the island's economy since, y'know, who wants to even attempt the gauntlet when the first and last boss is a succubi who doesn't even need to mount you to defeat you? Kind of a bullshit first boss. So, she just pumps her aura a bit and says "take the gold medal and fuck off" because most people at that point are barely a threat to her. I'd probably do the same in her position. When you're powerful enough to one-shot everything that comes your way, what the fuck is the point anymore?
I mean, what one does during a war is never justified by the times. We had war crime tribunals for that very reason. People still get on Japan's case for all that shit during WWII, even if they adamantly deny any of it happened. The point is, you can offer all the hollow justifications you want, but that doesn't immediately forgive any of the shit that a person does. Kotone probably stepped over the line a number of times, and while her rage is understandable, her actions aren't. All she did was further propagate the tragedies on both sides and embolden those who already doing what they were doing. She changed literally nothing and actively made things worse. I can hardly empathize with someone who "changed cause she got stopped." Even Sophia isn't that surface-level shallow. And that bitch would likely screw with Humanity if she ever got out just cause it would amuse her.
Many of which were likely part of that organization as a result of circumstance, whether survival or loyalty, or whathaveyou demanded it. Yeah, no, she doesn't get a pass because she limited herself to slaughtering a group of people, some of which were probably just getting by without little to no understanding of how closely-resembling their victims were to them in terms of experiencing suffering. A bit of Christmas on the front lines would have changed a lot of minds, methinks. Can we still justify Kotone wholesale slaughtering an entire organization after that?
I don't buy that. On the island, it's impossible to kill or inflict lasting harm (of a non-sexual variety), so she's at basically zero risk of coming to harm from trusting you even slightly. It's more like she's so convinced of her own bullshit that at this point, not doing things this way is a loss of control that she can't tolerate. She's a narcissist convinced that the world is out for her, and the only way you can get anything remotely approaching "empathy" off her is if you willingly submit to her designs, for better or worse. She screams insecurity bogged under ego, and the only appeal she has (for me, anyways) is the whole "obvious villainous with mind control powers" role. Outside that, all I get from her is someone who probably should have been dealt with before the war ended.
I mean, the same could be said of you. A few bad eggs in an organization does not make the rest akin to them. I would even shame Threshold for stating in no uncertain terms that the people who Kotone slaughtered were all irredeemably evil. I think the nuance here is, she chose to murder indiscriminately, didn't even attempt to make examples of anyone. Sophia is more justifiable in her position, since as a military leader, she's basically signed on for the role. Kotone had a number of choices and while I don't justify allowing evil to go unpunished, it's pretty clear she crossed the line in her pursuit of "justice." I'm thinking the Goddess only allowed her to even continue existing is because she was at least focused on (mostly) justifiable kills.