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If they break up, good or bad, they can meet or date or fuck other people.
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risky0 This topic has been an hot iron on this site, you were civil with your statement, and I understand that you only experssed your opinion (said this if you wonder if you recive some direct fire)
the definiton of the Tags for this site
is what determines if a game has it in his title or not and this game don't, personal definitons aside
regarding your point of view, with all respect, in real life if there is something like love neither of both wouldn't have acted on other partners and tried to remain in contact somehow.
how I understood the Storyline is that both broke up and started to experiment with other partners so if they return now
obviously the feelings aren't so strong, hence they wouldn't have acorded to a open relationship, (don't remember if there wasn't an option to choose an exclusive path at the moment)
the definiton of the Tags for this site
- NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
- https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2021-05-02.10394/
is what determines if a game has it in his title or not and this game don't, personal definitons aside
regarding your point of view, with all respect, in real life if there is something like love neither of both wouldn't have acted on other partners and tried to remain in contact somehow.
how I understood the Storyline is that both broke up and started to experiment with other partners so if they return now
obviously the feelings aren't so strong, hence they wouldn't have acorded to a open relationship, (don't remember if there wasn't an option to choose an exclusive path at the moment)
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That's precisely the contrary of "openly states". She said dating, not sleeping. It's an ambiguous sentence
I respect your opinion, but I don't share it.
The MC and Eileen broke up because the long-distance relationship didn't work. They still loved each other, but their feelings aren't as strong now. Well, only the friendship feeling is as strong. They can talk openly about anything.
The MC, four sentences before, said he had a friend with benefits and no one batted an eye. Least of anyone Eileen. They are catching up about the last 2 years, and they know they can talk about anything.
Exactly this ^
There isn't NTR if there isn't a relationship or, in game terms, if the path hasn't started when the girl has a relationship with other people.
You got it right. The MC dated (and slept with) several girls, and tried to with some others (remember the lesbian girl in the massage course) until he met Saira. From then on, he was faithful EVEN though they had an open relationship on paper (this is referred to in 0.7B if the MC goes to Megan's house).
Eileen tried to do the same, as she was free. She says she has dated (she doesn't openly confirm she had slept) several guys.
Fulfill is a beautiful word that can mean both physically and emotionally. But it's ambiguous.
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xapikalı
I still think it's ntr. Because the main focus here is jealousy.
There is no emphasis here on whether to be in a relationship or not.
It does not write anything about whether love interest and Mc should be in relationship order for something to be ntr.
TropecitaGames
I respect you.
Eileen, if she's slept with someone, it's okay to say it, even if
you don't say it outright, it's pretty obvious you're implying it.
my english is not enough.
- NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
I still think it's ntr. Because the main focus here is jealousy.
There is no emphasis here on whether to be in a relationship or not.
It does not write anything about whether love interest and Mc should be in relationship order for something to be ntr.
TropecitaGames
I respect you.
Eileen, if she's slept with someone, it's okay to say it, even if
you don't say it outright, it's pretty obvious you're implying it.
my english is not enough.
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While you are correct that the tag does not require there to be an established relationship, you've already disproven your point. You say "the main focus here is jealousy" when the opposite is clear: neither the MC nor Eileen feel any jealousy about the relationships they had while separated.
And this? You're literally telling the dev who WROTE that line what he meant by it, right after claiming to respect him?
Just stop now, man.
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The problem with definitions is that they are interpretable, like ambiguous phrases. Subjectivity is a bitch.
You say the emphasis is on jealousy. The definition talks about involved, which in itself already has many definitions.
In real life, I have known men who get jealous because another man makes their girl laugh. Involved. Jealousy. Is it NTR to tell a girl a joke?
I've also known people who get jealous if their girl hangs out with her friends without them. I've always been involved with my friends, so I guess it must be NTR too.
I even know people who get jealous of girls they have no relationship with, just because in their mind she is "theirs".
Jealousy is a bitch. And it's subjective.
That was precisely what I wanted to portray in that scene. Neither of them has any reason to feel jealous about something that happened while they were apart. Just like the MC doesn't feel jealous that his father was with his mother before him.
The MC doesn't care that a girl has had other partners while she was NOT with him. What he does care about is that there are no secrets with the girls he loves. It is not a harem that is based on sex and lust, but on accepting and loving the girls for who they are.
That's why he doesn't hide the harem and informs all the girls as soon as he gets a chance. But the harem has rules. Your past doesn't matter. But the moment you enter the harem you accept those rules, and the only two rules are that everything is talked about and there will be no other men.
The last clause sounds hypocritical and sexist, as Emma rightly says, but it's how the MC feels about how a harem should work. His harem, his rules. Another girl will come to the MC's rescue to give a coherent reason for it.
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The "No Other Men" rule always irks me. If for one side I can understand it, I would feel pretty shitty if I had a harem and other men were welcomed by my girls. But, as I never was blessed/cursed with an Harem (tried 2 girlfriends at the same time, almost died, twice) I can't really relate to how the girls would accept it.
Hey, I'm not saying they don't exist, but are they based on the freedom of the girls as we see in our fantasies here? Are they complacent with the sharing without jealousy? Well, people free from jealousy aren't that common, it takes a very special type of personality to go to "I love you but I don't mind to share you with any girl you want.". This, this isn't common, or if it is I've had the worst of lucks. Any women I've been involved with always made sure that I was only with her (with several degrees of success, until I learned to stop trying). Also, I know that swingers are more common than most people is aware, but this isn't about swinging. Harems go way further into the relationship and feelings department, unlike swinging.
So we have this fantasies, these stories that allow us to dream of a scenario that almost no man will ever live. Unless the girls are forced, but that's a whole other subject that doesn't belong here. Then people come and want to create drama out of relationships that somehow do the opposite and instead of having a jealousy free life, people are actively trying to find jealousy everywhere. I feel that that is the antithesis of the premises of this fantasy. So, please, stop trying to find the green eyed monster of jealousy everywhere and anywhere.
In this case, this story is being handled with a sole focus on acceptance and inclusivity, with clear boundaries based on the mutual respect. I see absolutely no room for or need of even considering the three letter bane of my existence.
Thanks for reading my morning rant.
Peace
Hey, I'm not saying they don't exist, but are they based on the freedom of the girls as we see in our fantasies here? Are they complacent with the sharing without jealousy? Well, people free from jealousy aren't that common, it takes a very special type of personality to go to "I love you but I don't mind to share you with any girl you want.". This, this isn't common, or if it is I've had the worst of lucks. Any women I've been involved with always made sure that I was only with her (with several degrees of success, until I learned to stop trying). Also, I know that swingers are more common than most people is aware, but this isn't about swinging. Harems go way further into the relationship and feelings department, unlike swinging.
So we have this fantasies, these stories that allow us to dream of a scenario that almost no man will ever live. Unless the girls are forced, but that's a whole other subject that doesn't belong here. Then people come and want to create drama out of relationships that somehow do the opposite and instead of having a jealousy free life, people are actively trying to find jealousy everywhere. I feel that that is the antithesis of the premises of this fantasy. So, please, stop trying to find the green eyed monster of jealousy everywhere and anywhere.
In this case, this story is being handled with a sole focus on acceptance and inclusivity, with clear boundaries based on the mutual respect. I see absolutely no room for or need of even considering the three letter bane of my existence.
Thanks for reading my morning rant.
Peace
You can think it's NTR. You're just wrong.
NTR, or rather Netorare specifically is about the main character being a cuck. In other words, you are actively having your significant other stolen out from under you.
If you aren't in a relationship with the person, and in fact are in a relationship with someone else then it's not being cucked and it's not NTR. It's called being an ex.
A feeling of jealously alone does not create NTR.
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Nowadays relationships are nothing but joke. If people in their teens think they will live happily ever after with their lover then they are wrong. Only a handful of them end up marrying each other. Remaining breaks up because of reasons such as going far away, cheating etc.
So these people know that the chances are almost zero for relationship to work out but still they go for it because of SEX. Yeah, it all boils down to SEX. A wise decision would be to get a job and be well settled before dating but where's the fun in that?
There are other girls who ain't virgins but you didn't hear anyone complain about them. Why only Eileen? Think about it.
Eileen isn't one to take relationships seriously and that's why dated multiple men. MC is no saint either. He is a slut too. He fucked around and was in a FWB relationship with a girl.
If it was upto me IRL I wouldn't want girls like emma or Daphne to end up with a guy like MC but it is playboys for whom girls usually go for when they are young and carefree.
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FatGiant
I accidentally activated the message with the translation open.
TropecitaGames
You're distorting things.
What do you think the jealousy on a porn tag could be about, sexuality?
"I've dated a few guys since we broke up, but no one has satisfied me as much as you... no way"
Right after this sentence, we made love in the toilet.
How was I supposed to feel in this situation?
I accidentally activated the message with the translation open.
TropecitaGames
You're distorting things.
What do you think the jealousy on a porn tag could be about, sexuality?
"I've dated a few guys since we broke up, but no one has satisfied me as much as you... no way"
Right after this sentence, we made love in the toilet.
How was I supposed to feel in this situation?
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Flattered??? You both broke up the relationship, both had other sex partners, you reconnect and the girl tells you, that you were the best she ever had............ what else can you feel but a compliment? What praise is more worthy man? the one from a virgin that never knew anyone else, or that of someone that has experience and knows what she's talking about? To me, the answer is clear, but I've always preferred that type of woman, they know what's what, 10/10 would repeat.
The myth of inexperience and chastity is just that, a myth. An unreal desire of never being compared, it only shows the fragility of that masculine ego. Don't be that guy.
Peace
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To be honest, I'm not paying for this game.
I have a hard time forming meaningful sentences.
Despite this, I think I expressed myself very well.
Many developers use such tricks to avoid putting the ntr tag in their games.
But they weren't together...it's all bullshit.
The definition of NTR is clear.
"I still think it's ntr. Because the main focus here is jealousy.
There is no emphasis here on whether to be in a relationship or not.
It does not write anything about whether love interest and Mc should be in relationship order for something to be ntr."
FatGiant
If that sort of thing is okay with you, then I can only be happy for you.
But not me mate.
I have a hard time forming meaningful sentences.
Despite this, I think I expressed myself very well.
Many developers use such tricks to avoid putting the ntr tag in their games.
But they weren't together...it's all bullshit.
The definition of NTR is clear.
- NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
"I still think it's ntr. Because the main focus here is jealousy.
There is no emphasis here on whether to be in a relationship or not.
It does not write anything about whether love interest and Mc should be in relationship order for something to be ntr."
FatGiant
If that sort of thing is okay with you, then I can only be happy for you.
But not me mate.
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You are 100% correct, the definition of NTR is clear and since there was no intent to cause any jealousy here that scene was BY DEFINITION NOT NTR!
Couldn't be clearer............you may not have liked the scene but that doesn't make it something it's not.
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Okay? Dude, I would love to have a video of her saying that on my funeral. That's how proud I would be.
Look, it's like the ratings here, having 5 stars with only one vote, or having 4 stars with a couple thousand votes are 2 completely different things. If you can't understand it, I can only feel sorry that you have never experienced that.
Peace
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HornyyPussy
That scene makes most people jealous. This is true even if you deny it.
And even if the producer didn't do it with that intent, that makes it ntr.
Eileen was my favorite character in the game as a model. This scene is enough for me to ignore him.
it's not the end of the world.
If he was avoiding ntr, the producer shouldn't have added such a scene to his game.
What bothers me is this attitude of the producers.
Trying to overshadow some things with cheap excuses.
It may not be fair to put the ntr tag for a 1000%1 part of the game, but the rule is the rule.
And most people don't follow this rule so I'm not judging the producer.
I do not accept what the producer gave me against what I said. I just have to respect.
Whether you like it or not, this is a forum and I will continue to write my opinion freely.
That scene makes most people jealous. This is true even if you deny it.
And even if the producer didn't do it with that intent, that makes it ntr.
Eileen was my favorite character in the game as a model. This scene is enough for me to ignore him.
it's not the end of the world.
If he was avoiding ntr, the producer shouldn't have added such a scene to his game.
What bothers me is this attitude of the producers.
Trying to overshadow some things with cheap excuses.
It may not be fair to put the ntr tag for a 1000%1 part of the game, but the rule is the rule.
And most people don't follow this rule so I'm not judging the producer.
I do not accept what the producer gave me against what I said. I just have to respect.
Whether you like it or not, this is a forum and I will continue to write my opinion freely.
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I can't leave you alone for 20 minutes, you give me a lot of work to answer you! (I'm kidding, I love to answer all of you)
I don't think harems as we devs posit them can exist in reality. No matter how much magic wand the MC has between his legs and no matter how much he knows what to say to each girl at any given time, finding 28 girls who want to share seems impossible to me. I have never found even two.
Polyamorous relationships are another story altogether, more plausible, but there I could argue for our three most hated letters even if the situation is not designed for jealousy.
To me, in the world of AVNs, it could also be considered NTR if the MC has expressed to a LI that he wants to be with her (through a player's choice) and between that time and the time they start the relationship, she is with another man.
Think about this other scenario: Eileen takes relationships seriously, but every single attempt she's had in the last two years has gone wrong. It doesn't matter if it's been his fault, her fault, both of them, or that the stars didn't align. It may have been during the first date when they discovered that they are not compatible characters. Maybe she has a hidden romantic inside and doesn't want to sleep with anyone until the third or fourth date with a new partner, maybe he didn't want to wait and cheated on her. We don't and can't take anything for granted with one sentence. If the first attempt doesn't go well, what should Eileen have done according to you? Not try again?
I think this is the first time I read that a man is a slut for having been with several girls. The usual thing is to call him Macho. I would like to remind you that the MC tried to formalize the relationship with Saira, by the way. It was she who didn't want to do it to try to protect herself. I would never call the MC a playboy. He is driven by feelings, otherwise he would have already called Sophie, the hairdresser, who made it very clear to him what she wanted.
There is no jealousy on the part of either of you over things that happened while you were not together.
English is not our first language in either your case or mine, but the word
Everyone has to lose their virginity at some point. Many people have the fantasy of virgins and teach them, others have the fantasy of MILFs because of the experience accumulated by them. But we are not in the middle ages anymore and I don't think that because a girl has lost her virginity she is tainted.
I think your English is good enough for a non-native. I'm also a non-native
See my previous answer to you in this post and the definition of Designed. It's not a dev trick. It's playing by the rules. If in My Dorm you see a LI fucking (or even kissing) another man, I'll be the first to put the NTR tag. It won't happen
The "there will be no other men" rule is precisely to make it clear that there will be no NTR in My Dorm, you know this conversation about poor Eileen (if she is a slut or if that phrase is NTR) comes up from time to time in this thread.The "No Other Men" rule always irks me. If for one side I can understand it, I would feel pretty shitty if I had a harem and other men were welcomed by my girls. But, as I never was blessed/cursed with an Harem (tried 2 girlfriends at the same time, almost died, twice) I can't really relate to how the girls would accept it.
Hey, I'm not saying they don't exist, but are they based on the freedom of the girls as we see in our fantasies here? Are they complacent with the sharing without jealousy? Well, people free from jealousy aren't that common, it takes a very special type of personality to go to "I love you but I don't mind to share you with any girl you want.". This, this isn't common, or if it is I've had the worst of lucks. Any women I've been involved with always made sure that I was only with her (with several degrees of success, until I learned to stop trying). Also, I know that swingers are more common than most people is aware, but this isn't about swinging. Harems go way further into the relationship and feelings department, unlike swinging.
So we have this fantasies, these stories that allow us to dream of a scenario that almost no man will ever live. Unless the girls are forced, but that's a whole other subject that doesn't belong here. Then people come and want to create drama out of relationships that somehow do the opposite and instead of having a jealousy free life, people are actively trying to find jealousy everywhere. I feel that that is the antithesis of the premises of this fantasy. So, please, stop trying to find the green eyed monster of jealousy everywhere and anywhere.
In this case, this story is being handled with a sole focus on acceptance and inclusivity, with clear boundaries based on the mutual respect. I see absolutely no room for or need of even considering the three letter bane of my existence.
Thanks for reading my morning rant.
Peace
I don't think harems as we devs posit them can exist in reality. No matter how much magic wand the MC has between his legs and no matter how much he knows what to say to each girl at any given time, finding 28 girls who want to share seems impossible to me. I have never found even two.
Polyamorous relationships are another story altogether, more plausible, but there I could argue for our three most hated letters even if the situation is not designed for jealousy.
I totally agree with you, but I would like to add a nuance.
To me, in the world of AVNs, it could also be considered NTR if the MC has expressed to a LI that he wants to be with her (through a player's choice) and between that time and the time they start the relationship, she is with another man.
You are contradicting yourself. You say it's normal for relationships to break up, and on the other hand you say that Eileen doesn't take relationships seriously and that's why she's dated several men.Nowadays relationships are nothing but joke. If people in their teens think they will live happily ever after with their lover then they are wrong. Only a handful of them end up marrying each other. Remaining breaks up because of reasons such as going far away, cheating etc.
So these people know that the chances are almost zero for relationship to work out but still they go for it because of SEX. Yeah, it all boils down to SEX. A wise decision would be to get a job and be well settled before dating but where's the fun in that?
There are other girls who ain't virgins but you didn't hear anyone complain about them. Why only Eileen? Think about it.
Eileen isn't one to take relationships seriously and that's why dated multiple men. MC is no saint either. He is a slut too. He fucked around and was in a FWB relationship with a girl.
If it was upto me IRL I wouldn't want girls like emma or Daphne to end up with a guy like MC but it is playboys for whom girls usually go for when they are young and carefree.
Think about this other scenario: Eileen takes relationships seriously, but every single attempt she's had in the last two years has gone wrong. It doesn't matter if it's been his fault, her fault, both of them, or that the stars didn't align. It may have been during the first date when they discovered that they are not compatible characters. Maybe she has a hidden romantic inside and doesn't want to sleep with anyone until the third or fourth date with a new partner, maybe he didn't want to wait and cheated on her. We don't and can't take anything for granted with one sentence. If the first attempt doesn't go well, what should Eileen have done according to you? Not try again?
I think this is the first time I read that a man is a slut for having been with several girls. The usual thing is to call him Macho. I would like to remind you that the MC tried to formalize the relationship with Saira, by the way. It was she who didn't want to do it to try to protect herself. I would never call the MC a playboy. He is driven by feelings, otherwise he would have already called Sophie, the hairdresser, who made it very clear to him what she wanted.
I am not distorting anything. I'm just telling you that the definition of NTR doesn't apply here for two reasons:
There is no jealousy on the part of either of you over things that happened while you were not together.
English is not our first language in either your case or mine, but the word
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always indicates intentionality, a planned thing. Since there is no intentionality to cause jealousy, the definition does not apply.Eileen shows that even though the years have passed she is still interested in the MC. She has discovered that there is nothing better. And we don't just mean Gandalf's scepter between his legs. No one has ever made her feel the way he has. Not in any way. But Eileen knew the MC who left, not the one who has returned. The one who's back tells her he's still a romantic but he's had an FwB. She also knows she can't overwhelm him by jumping on his neck the second day after returning from college. They need to reconnect. And she wants to fill the gap of that FwB, and go from there.Flattered??? You both broke up the relationship, both had other sex partners, you reconnect and the girl tells you, that you were the best she ever had............ what else can you feel but a compliment? What praise is more worthy man? the one from a virgin that never knew anyone else, or that of someone that has experience and knows what she's talking about? To me, the answer is clear, but I've always preferred that type of woman, they know what's what, 10/10 would repeat.
The myth of inexperience and chastity is just that, a myth. An unreal desire of never being compared, it only shows the fragility of that masculine ego. Don't be that guy.
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Peace
Everyone has to lose their virginity at some point. Many people have the fantasy of virgins and teach them, others have the fantasy of MILFs because of the experience accumulated by them. But we are not in the middle ages anymore and I don't think that because a girl has lost her virginity she is tainted.
I think I treat paying players the same as non-paying players. I don't understand what you mean. All of you (paying or not-paying players) are welcome to express your opinions.
I think your English is good enough for a non-native. I'm also a non-native
See my previous answer to you in this post and the definition of Designed. It's not a dev trick. It's playing by the rules. If in My Dorm you see a LI fucking (or even kissing) another man, I'll be the first to put the NTR tag. It won't happen
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Yes there are devs who like to make scenes which border ntr. Often a classic ntr scene, like a LI having sex while being on the phone with the MC, but it's not ntr because it was in the past, or in dreams or videos etc and i would agree that i hate that kind of content, it doesn't even serve a story purpose in most cases.
But there is nothing in this scene that is designed or written to cause jealousy, not to mention it being the main focus.
Her dating others was before the story even started and you don't get any details or scenes of that, neither is she trying to make the MC jealous or getting a reaction out of him.
Now if we would get flashbacks where the focus is of her dating and fucking a bunch of guys i could understand why you would say it is designed to cause jealousy, but there's nothing of the sort here.
As for the scene.
The MC isn't jealous, neither is she as he talks about his FWB.
It's just two friends who talk about their past, she tried to date others (so did the MC), but none of them came close to what she had with the MC.
Are you jealous when you have a talk with an ex you didn't see for years and she tell's you she had a relationship but it didn't work out ?
Because that is what she tells you, plus the nice ego boost that the MC was the best 'in any way' i'm not sure how that is causing jealousy thought.
Now if you don't like her that's fine, it's your choice if you want to rekindle the relationship with her or not.
But it's not ntr just because you don't like something.
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No, that scene definitely doesn't make "most people" jealous. The fact that YOU feel jealousy while playing it is SOLELY your problem so please stop projecting that on to others and for gods sake stop accusing the Dev of something he hasn't done.
You can write your opinion all you want, that does NOT make it a fact.
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