Tiur

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That scene makes most people jealous. This is true even if you deny it.
You are incorrect. That scene does NOT make most people jealous, because most people are not so insecure about an ex.

You also keep reading what she said as an absolute statement that she fucked other guys, when native English speakers AND the dev who literally wrote the text have said it is not the absolute statement you're trying to make it into.

I don't like NTR, but I also don't go trying to pretend it exists where it doesn't.
 

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You say it's normal for relationships to break up, and on the other hand you say that Eileen doesn't take relationships seriously and that's why she's dated several men.
I say it's normal. I never said i like it.
Eileen takes relationships seriously, but every single attempt she's had in the last two years has gone wrong.
Dating isn't wrong. Dating multiple men and going all the way with them in the name of relationships? What would you call a woman who had multiple 'serious' relationships? By serious i mean those relationships where feelings were involved and couple went all the way.
I think this is the first time I read that a man is a slut for having been with several girls. The usual thing is to call him Macho.
I'm a man but I still don't get it by a women who fuck around is called a slut and a boy is called stud, macho etc. I see him as a slut too. If a girl who sleeps around is loose then the guy who sleeps around is loose too.
I would like to remind you that the MC tried to formalize the relationship with Saira
Still he wasn't serious with her and neither was she still they fucked.
I would never call the MC a playboy. He is driven by feelings
Yeah, feelings for multiple girls in short time. :HideThePain:.

You know? MC and Elieen totally deserve each other. Both are carefree and open minded. Both fuck around and develop 'feelings' for multiple people easily and in short amount of time. Don't regret if those 'relationships' didn't work out and jump onto the next one. They are proud of their past relationships.
 

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"You can write your opinion all you want, that does NOT make it a fact."
The same applies to YOU.

No, that scene makes most people jealous.
I tried to explain everything I said coherently within a certain logic.
I stand behind everything I say.

Tiur
"No, that scene makes most people jealous."
The producer is clearly avoiding my question, what do you think I should understand from this? I asked him a very simple question, Yes or No? Why would he need a fog cloud for something so simple? What is his contribution to the story? What's wrong with finding out if Eileen has slept with someone else?
 
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Dating isn't wrong. Dating multiple men and going all the way with them in the name of relationships?
Both fuck around and develop 'feelings' for multiple people easily and in short amount of time.
What is up with people reading a ton of things in this game's script that aren't there?

MC was at college for YEARS. Which is normal with college. Most people enter college at 18, and MC is 21 now. Eileen never said how many men she'd dated, and she did not say anything about what she did with them, or how she felt about them, other than that none of them fulfilled her like her relationship with the MC had.

So you're really saying that the MC having an FWB relationship with Saira, and Eileen dating as few as two guys to ambiguous degrees, over the course of up to three or four years, automatically makes them both 'free spirited sluts'?
 

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"No, that scene makes most people jealous."
The producer is clearly avoiding my question, what do you think I should understand from this? I asked him a very simple question, Yes or No? Why would he need a fog cloud for something so simple? What is his contribution to the story? What's wrong with finding out if Eileen has slept with someone else?
Just use the quote system, so you don't misquote people like you misquoted me here.

He is leaving the question vague because it is not relevant to the plot, and so that people can interpret her statement however they want. People who want her to have fucked the guys can interpret it that way (which appears to include you for some fucking reason). People who want to think she dated, and found she wasn't interested in them that way, can interpret it that way.

You are the one deciding that it invariably means she fucked all these guys and did it to make the MC jealous (which doesn't work, because we know he isn't jealous about it). So you're the one deciding that you want to be jealous.
 

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"You can write your opinion all you want, that does NOT make it a fact."
The same applies to YOU.

No, that scene makes most people jealous.
I tried to explain everything I said coherently within a certain logic.
I stand behind everything I say.

Tiur
"No, that scene makes most people jealous."
The producer is clearly avoiding my question, what do you think I should understand from this? I asked him a very simple question, Yes or No? Why would he need a fog cloud for something so simple? What is his contribution to the story? What's wrong with finding out if Eileen has slept with someone else?
While there are some who have complained about that line none that I have seen has claimed it's NTR, that's entirely your opinion. I obviously have no problem with it because it's fantasy AVN and I'm not that secure.

You're the one claiming that "many people" agree with you and becomes jealous, that's a ridicolous claim to make without having any statistical data to back it up.

In no way have the dev tried to mislead anyone, Eileen says exactly what she means in that conversation and most people SEEM to be ok with it. The fact that you get jealous about it says everything about you and nothing about the dev.
 

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What is up with people reading a ton of things in this game's script that aren't there?

The MC dated (and slept with) several girls, and tried to with some others (remember the lesbian girl in the massage course) until he met Saira.
Both fuck around and develop 'feelings' for multiple people easily and in short amount of time.
MC never took any of those 'relationships' seriously. Saw a hot girl, got into a relationship, had her way with her, broke up, jumped onto the next one.

So you're really saying that the MC having an FWB relationship with Saira
Who goes for FWB? The one who don't want to make things serious and just want to have fun. What do you call those people?
'free spirited sluts'
Well, you said it.
 
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Just use the quote system, so you don't misquote people like you misquoted me here.

because it is not relevant to the plot, and so that people can interpret her statement however they want. People who want her to have fucked the guys can interpret it that way (which appears to include you for some fucking reason). People who want to think she dated, and found she wasn't interested in them that way, can interpret it that way.

are the one deciding that it invariably means she fucked all these guys and did it to make the MC jealous (which doesn't work, because we know he isn't jealous about it). So you're the one deciding that you want to be jealous.
  • NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
Here, what is meant by mc is actually the player itself.
So the dialogue of the mc in the game does not matter for this tag.
And what it makes us feel is jealousy.
And yes, an obviously well-hidden bit of NTR.

I'm waiting for the producer to answer my question.
I need simple answers, not excuses he'll throw at me.

Frankly, I'm tired of people trying to force their opinions on me all the time.
 

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Okay? Dude, I would love to have a video of her saying that on my funeral. That's how proud I would be.

Look, it's like the ratings here, having 5 stars with only one vote, or having 4 stars with a couple thousand votes are 2 completely different things. If you can't understand it, I can only feel sorry that you have never experienced that.

Peace :giggle:
You are absolutely right. The day I lost my virginity I thought that was the best fuck I was ever going to get in my life. How wrong I was! The second one was better! And the third! But I still thought the sex with that girl was unbeatable. I was still wrong. If I had stayed with her I never would have found out. The experience has a certain quality in itself.
Daphne or Emma, f.e., will never know if there is something better out there, because they will never try it (and they don't care). The MC will provide them with the best sex of their lives, because it will be the only one.
Martha, Samantha, or Norah, they have tasted and can decide if what they thought was good so far, becomes not so good, or they still think that any past was better. But they have the experience to compare.

That scene makes most people jealous. This is true even if you deny it.
And even if the producer didn't do it with that intent, that makes it ntr.
Eileen was my favorite character in the game as a model. This scene is enough for me to ignore him.
it's not the end of the world.
If he was avoiding ntr, the producer shouldn't have added such a scene to his game.
What bothers me is this attitude of the producers.
Trying to overshadow some things with cheap excuses.
It may not be fair to put the ntr tag for a 1000%1 part of the game, but the rule is the rule.
And most people don't follow this rule so I'm not judging the producer.
I do not accept what the producer gave me against what I said. I just have to respect.
Whether you like it or not, this is a forum and I will continue to write my opinion freely.
I repeat: To be NTR it has to be DESIGNED to provoke JEALOUSY.
Since I can't be in the heads of all players (just like you) I can't say whether it makes a majority, half, or a few feel jealous. I think it is a fallacy and very demagogic to say, without any proof, that a scene causes the majority of players to have the same reaction it has caused us.
You can ignore Eileen, she will remain secretly in love with the MC.
I avoid NTR because that's what this game is about, there is no NTR because no girl needs it.
You are bothered by my attitude, making cheap excuses, and not following the rules? I think:
1.- They are not excuses, they are explanations.
2.- Cheap? Giving data, definitions, and pointing out the holes in the rule I don't think they are cheap. You are just making demagoguery with the "most people" without any proof of it.
3.- I fully comply with the rule about the NTR label. There is no intention and there is no jealousy.
What other developers do, if they follow the rule or not, doesn't affect me because I don't have time to play their games. It only affects me if someone accuses me, with , of doing it myself.
At all times I have respected your opinion, I just told you that I don't share it.

No, that scene definitely doesn't make "most people" jealous. The fact that YOU feel jealousy while playing it is SOLELY your problem so please stop projecting that on to others and for gods sake stop accusing the Dev of something he hasn't done.

You can write your opinion all you want, that does NOT make it a fact.
I don't consider it a problem on his part that he felt jealous. Jealousy is a visceral feeling that is not usually controlled.
What I do consider a problem is that he thinks that because HE has felt jealous, most of the players have had to feel that way. It's called demagoguery and it's a very specific type of .

You are incorrect. That scene does NOT make most people jealous, because most people are not so insecure about an ex.

You also keep reading what she said as an absolute statement that she fucked other guys, when native English speakers AND the dev who literally wrote the text have said it is not the absolute statement you're trying to make it into.

I don't like NTR, but I also don't go trying to pretend it exists where it doesn't.
It is not an absolute statement because if it had been, the phrase would not have said "dated" but "fucked". That was neither the intention nor the meaning I wanted to give to the phrase. It was a playful phrase at a time when he is proposing to take him on a tourist tour of the toilet.

I say it's normal. I never said i like it.

Dating isn't wrong. Dating multiple men and going all the way with them in the name of relationships? What would you call a woman who had multiple 'serious' relationships? By serious i mean those relationships where feelings were involved and couple went all the way.
Well, I am married to a divorcee. So what would I call a person who has had several relationships? Normal person. As you said above, almost no one marries their first partner. And here the words fail me perhaps because I am not a native speaker. Several relationships can be 3 or 100. There can be an important difference.

I'm a man but I still don't get it by a women who fuck around is called a slut and a boy is called stud, macho etc. I see him as a slut too. If a girl who sleeps around is loose then the guy who sleeps around is loose too.
Here in Spain we say that what we call slut is just a woman with the sexual morals of a man.



Still he wasn't serious with her and neither was she still they fucked.
I thought waiting to fuck until the wedding day was a little out of fashion.

Yeah, feelings for multiple girls in short time. :HideThePain:.

You know? MC and Elieen totally deserve each other. Both are carefree and open minded. Both fuck around and develop 'feelings' for multiple people easily and in short amount of time. Don't regret if those 'relationships' didn't work out and jump onto the next one. They are proud of their past relationships.
There are people who never fall in love, others who fall in love only once in a lifetime, and there are those who fall in love five times a day. Until someone invents a love meter, we cannot know which of the options is more valid or who is more in love.
If someone takes it as a business idea, they will make a fortune. Put Tropecita Games as the intellectual author of the idea, please.

HornyyPussy

"You can write your opinion all you want, that does NOT make it a fact."
The same applies to YOU.

No, that scene makes most people jealous.
I tried to explain everything I said coherently within a certain logic.
I stand behind everything I say.

Tiur
"No, that scene makes most people jealous."
The producer is clearly avoiding my question, what do you think I should understand from this? I asked him a very simple question, Yes or No? Why would he need a fog cloud for something so simple? What is his contribution to the story? What's wrong with finding out if Eileen has slept with someone else?
You can understand whatever you want, you are free to do so. You can believe that during the first date she realized that the guy is not up to MC and stopped there. You can understand that she has dated several but has not fallen in love with any of them. Or if you want, you can think that the "several" men she has dated were all during the same night and she ended up fucking them all at the same time.
I'm not going to tell you what to understand in an ambiguous sentence, because if I did, I wouldn't have made it ambiguous.
What I understand is the second option. She has dated several, but has not fallen in love with any of them. It doesn't matter if she slept with any of them, because she doesn't talk about it. The important thing about that scene is that, more than two years later, she is still in love with the MC.
 

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Then stop arguing about or playing the game and enjoy being the weird porn Puritan you're acting like, and let the people enjoying the game enjoy it.
I never said that it's NTR. All i was saying is Elieen is a slut and so is MC. Both are perfect for each other.

Developer thinks MC isn't a slut and i was trying to prove him wrong.
 

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  • NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
Here, what is meant by mc is actually the player itself.
So the dialogue of the mc in the game does not matter for this tag.
And what it makes us feel is jealousy.
And yes, an obviously well-hidden bit of NTR.

I'm waiting for the producer to answer my question.
I need simple answers, not excuses he'll throw at me.

Frankly, I'm tired of people trying to force their opinions on me all the time.
You can't be serious!? The only one forcing their opinion on anyone is YOU!
It wasn't designed to cause jealousy so NOT NTR! How hard can that be to understand or are you just trolling at this point?

Tropecita has answered you several times on how that conversation was written, not his problem you can't comprehend it.
 

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No, that scene makes most people jealous.
Give me data. Of the 50,000 downloads per month, how many are jealous and how many are not? If you don't have that data you are lying.

The producer is clearly avoiding my question, what do you think I should understand from this? I asked him a very simple question, Yes or No? Why would he need a fog cloud for something so simple? What is his contribution to the story? What's wrong with finding out if Eileen has slept with someone else?
There is NOTHING wrong with Eileen having (or not having) slept with anyone. But it's just not important to the story. It is not defined just as it is not defined whether Alexia has had a boyfriend before. It is not important.
Daphne reads when the MC isn't around. Scarlett dreams about the MC when he's not nearby (Well, and when he is too). Martha cooks. People go on with their lives when the MC isn't around. Even more so if it was 1,200km away

What is up with people reading a ton of things in this game's script that aren't there?

MC was at college for YEARS. Which is normal with college. Most people enter college at 18, and MC is 21 now. Eileen never said how many men she'd dated, and she did not say anything about what she did with them, or how she felt about them, other than that none of them fulfilled her like her relationship with the MC had.

So you're really saying that the MC having an FWB relationship with Saira, and Eileen dating as few as two guys to ambiguous degrees, over the course of up to three or four years, automatically makes them both 'free spirited sluts'?
It's easier than all that. There are people who haven't read my commercial yet.

MC never took any of those 'relationships' seriously. Saw a hot girl, got into a relationship, had her way with her, broke up, jumped onto the next one.
Who goes for FWB? The one who don't want to make things serious and just want to have fun. What do you call those people?
It is your interpretation. With Saira he wanted a serious relationship because he was emotionally involved. A difference in tag between Boyfriend and FwB wasn't going to change that.

  • NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
Here, what is meant by mc is actually the player itself.
So the dialogue of the mc in the game does not matter for this tag.
And what it makes us feel is jealousy.
And yes, an obviously well-hidden bit of NTR.

I'm waiting for the producer to answer my question.
I need simple answers, not excuses he'll throw at me.

Frankly, I'm tired of people trying to force their opinions on me all the time.
You still don't understand the definitions of Designed, Jealousy or Romantic interest.
Is the MC = the player? Let's start from that premise. If the MC = Player, it means Player = MC. Basic math. If the MC's dialogue indicates that he doesn't feel jealousy, it means that the player must not feel jealousy either. That's your premise, not mine. Or does that equivalence only apply in the sense YOU want it to?
No, that doesn't make US jealous. It makes YOU feel jealous.
And now it turns out that I, a player who has never played an NTR game in his life because I don't like that theme at all, am such an idiot that I put it in my game.
It is you who is trying to impose YOUR opinion on others, when we are giving you reasons and reasoning that prove you wrong.
I answered your question in another post. I haven't given you any excuses yet, because they are not necessary when there is objective data to back up my position.

You can't be serious!? The only one forcing their opinion on anyone is YOU!
It wasn't designed to cause jealousy so NOT NTR! How hard can that be to understand or are you just trolling at this point?

Tropecita has answered you several times on how that conversation was written, not his problem you can't comprehend it.
I think there is a language problem here. We all know that my English is not the best in the world and I think the translator that risky0 uses to read my posts has some problems understanding me (I say this because of the post in Turkish that he posted before, which makes me think that he uses an automatic translator). I am not a native speaker as you well know, and I surely use idioms that are not common and that an automatic translator can't understand.
 

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Frankly, I'm not interested in this game anymore because of the producer's attitude.
This is my last post, so you can understand why I didn't post in this thread anymore.

Considering the NTR part you keep in the game, the quality of the rendering, the quality of the story, the attitude you show towards your potential customers, it's just one star that I see fit for you.

And I believe there will be people who will follow my comments.
Don't be afraid to respond to people trying to impose their opinions on you.
They will most likely accuse you of what they want to do to you.
No need to answer circus monkeys who think they're funny.
According to your posts all the mothers in the game should be no game for you,because they are not virgins.
Obviously this game is not for you.
Why you just don't move one?
 

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Frankly, I'm not interested in this game anymore because of the producer's attitude.
This is my last post, so you can understand why I didn't post in this thread anymore.

Considering the NTR part you keep in the game, the quality of the rendering, the quality of the story, the attitude you show towards your potential customers, it's just one star that I see fit for you.

And I believe there will be people who will follow my comments.
Don't be afraid to respond to people trying to impose their opinions on you.
They will most likely accuse you of what they want to do to you.
No need to answer circus monkeys who think they're funny.
Ok, so you're just a troll, thanks for clarifying!

Of to ignore you go!
 

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Frankly, I'm not interested in this game anymore because of the producer's attitude.
This is my last post, so you can understand why I didn't post in this thread anymore.

Considering the NTR part you keep in the game, the quality of the rendering, the quality of the story, the attitude you show towards your potential customers, it's just one star that I see fit for you.

And I believe there will be people who will follow my comments.
Don't be afraid to respond to people trying to impose their opinions on you.
They will most likely accuse you of what they want to do to you.
No need to answer circus monkeys who think they're funny.
I cannot force you to play any game. Nothing could be further from my intention. I understand that if you don't like a game you don't play it. But accusing me of a bad attitude, that I do not allow you. You have told enough lies during the morning.
I'm sure someone will follow your comments. If there are those who follow mine, a developer dumb enough to put NTR (according to you) in a game without knowing it, I'm sure someone with reasoning as powerful as yours has hundreds of millions of followers. You can understand that kind of empty threats doesn't matter to me at all.
I'm not afraid to answer anyone, so I'll assume that your translator has played a trick on you again.
"They will most likely accuse you of what they want to do to you." I don't understand anything you mean here. Don't pay for my game but pay for a better translator, for God's sake.
Insulting someone by calling them circus monkeys, when everyone has treated you politely in this thread, is a great way to dismiss you and show what kind of "person" you are.
 

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risky0, thanks for your false review and your 1 star. Thanks also for lying so much in the thread that the report on your review will not take long to take effect. Thank you for allowing us to quote you in so many posts that even if you delete your lies now, they will be reflected in the thread.

Edit: Wow! That was fast. Thank you mods!
 
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