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Trope95

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What do you mean when you say this? I feel like you're using choral in a way I've never seen.
I meant shared protagonism. I don't know if it can be used in that way in English.

The last few updates were not focused on 3-4 girls, like they used to be. Since Aaron/Amanda/Eva's visit, the updates have been family-building, with a lot of big meetings and a lot of girls per update having dialogue lines.
v.0.16: 16 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
v.0.17: 20 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
v.0.18: 18 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
v.0.19: 24 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
They needed to be big, and I made them big (those 4 updates represent 22.3% of the game total words, 36.2% of the dialogue lines, and 39.4% of the total renders, being only 16.7% of the updates), but they are exhausting to do and don't help to move the story forward. Too many characters in the same place at the same time, too many things happening, so everyone remembers (I hope) the first (lewd) time with Erika or Martha but, in a couple of updates, no one will remember Saira's first time (since she got home).
Focusing in fewer girls per update will make them more memorable.

Were there any rejected designs for Nora???
Nope, she was always perfect after the first design. Martha (even with a different model), Erika (long hair and non-goth), Emma (different designs), and Daphne (blonde) are the only ones I have with rejected looks.
Redhead Martha wasn't a rejected one. I designed her today in case I can use her in a future event.
 

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I meant shared protagonism. I don't know if it can be used in that way in English.

The last few updates were not focused on 3-4 girls, like they used to be. Since Aaron/Amanda/Eva's visit, the updates have been family-building, with a lot of big meetings and a lot of girls per update having dialogue lines.
v.0.16: 16 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
v.0.17: 20 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
v.0.18: 18 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
v.0.19: 24 characters with dialogue (not counting the MC)
They needed to be big, and I made them big (those 4 updates represent 22.3% of the game total words, 36.2% of the dialogue lines, and 39.4% of the total renders, being only 16.7% of the updates), but they are exhausting to do and don't help to move the story forward. Too many characters in the same place at the same time, too many things happening, so everyone remembers (I hope) the first (lewd) time with Erika or Martha but, in a couple of updates, no one will remember Saira's first time (since she got home).
Focusing in fewer girls per update will make them more memorable.


Nope, she was always perfect after the first design. Martha (even with a different model), Erika (long hair and non-goth), Emma (different designs), and Daphne (blonde) are the only ones I have with rejected looks.
Redhead Martha wasn't a rejected one. I designed her today in case I can use her in a future event.
I can certainly agree with Nora being perfect after the first design. She makes me feel funny.... :ROFLMAO:
 

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I meant shared protagonism. I don't know if it can be used in that way in English.
I don't think so.

The only ones I know, and can find in dictionaries are:
composed for or sung by a choir or chorus.
or
engaged in or concerned with singing.

Which as the resident choir boy are the only ones I know, was wracking my brain trying to recall any group singing in the updates.

I'm honestly not sure what word you'd want to use in English, what's the original word in your mother tongue (Spanish iirc)?
 

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I don't think so.

The only ones I know, and can find in dictionaries are:
composed for or sung by a choir or chorus.
or
engaged in or concerned with singing.

Which as the resident choir boy are the only ones I know, was wracking my brain trying to recall any group singing in the updates.

I'm honestly not sure what word you'd want to use in English, what's the original word in your mother tongue (Spanish iirc)?
From Cambridge Dictionary as examples for "choral", even if the definition talks about music:
  • The narration, in short, tends towards choral action, and has the immediacy and gestures of direct contact.
  • The remaining prisoners respond to their fellow inmate's words in a choral passage of mounting excitement
  • Private speech also occurred after other students' choral utterances were addressed by the teacher.
So I think, even if the definition talks about music, (at least) in British English the way I used it looks like is accepted when there's not a single protagonist.

Yes, Spanish is my mother tonge. I would use "coral" (that has the same musical meaning).

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I've lived almost of my life in Catalonia, but my mother is Basque. My mother tonge is Spanish, and I can't speak Euskera (neither she). I learned Catalan from my paternal grandmother and from my dad.
 

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From Cambridge Dictionary as examples for "choral", even if the definition talks about music:
  • The narration, in short, tends towards choral action, and has the immediacy and gestures of direct contact.
  • The remaining prisoners respond to their fellow inmate's words in a choral passage of mounting excitement
  • Private speech also occurred after other students' choral utterances were addressed by the teacher.
So I think, even if the definition talks about music, (at least) in British English the way I used it looks like is accepted when there's not a single protagonist.

Yes, Spanish is my mother tonge. I would use "coral" (that has the same musical meaning).


I've lived almost of my life in Catalonia, but my mother is Basque. My mother tonge is Spanish, and I can't speak Euskera (neither she). I learned Catalan from my paternal grandmother and from my dad.
Yep, it's all good. Yours was a liberal usage but, it made sense and that's why they call it writer's license. The way I read the sentence choral implied general or generic; i.e. everyone is doing it. The context, though, gave me a sense that you were saying the foundation was laid or you had covered all the general knowledge required so, it was time move on from this choral or general story and get down to the nitty gritty specifics. It gave me the idea you were saying the story is about to pick up pace.
 

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I've lived almost of my life in Catalonia, but my mother is Basque. My mother tonge is Spanish, and I can't speak Euskera (neither she). I learned Catalan from my paternal grandmother and from my dad.
When you say Spanish, I read Castellano. I've heard Euskera being spoken, can't for the life of me understand any of it. I assume my ignorance about what are the origins of that language, both the intonations and the words bared (to my untrained ears) no semblance to any other language that I have heard.
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When you say Spanish, I read Castellano. I've heard Euskera being spoken, can't for the life of me understand any of it. I assume my ignorance about what are the origins of that language, both the intonations and the words bared (to my untrained ears) no semblance to any other language that I have heard.
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Because it has not a "roman" root, like the rest of the languages spoken on the Iberic peninsula.
Edit: also nothing is known certain, about the origins of the Basques nor if their language has a celtic root, some linguists even say it has more reensemblace with Mongloian dialects as with any Celtic or Indogermanic.
 
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About the "Choral" usage.

I interpreted it as:
Updates where there are a rather large group of characters together, like in a Chorus. While interesting for the possibilities of conversations. I have to admit, they felt a bit crowded and I really, really am not comfortable in crowds. Did they made sense? They did. Were they needed? They were. But, I am, sincerely, glad to go back to 1-on-1 or very small groups.

Yeah, yeah, I have PTSD and Social Anxiety and a touch of agoraphobia and claustrophobia. No worries, I hopefully will not last much longer... maybe one decade, if lucky (or unlucky).
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From Cambridge Dictionary as examples for "choral", even if the definition talks about music:
  • The narration, in short, tends towards choral action, and has the immediacy and gestures of direct contact.
  • The remaining prisoners respond to their fellow inmate's words in a choral passage of mounting excitement
  • Private speech also occurred after other students' choral utterances were addressed by the teacher.
So I think, even if the definition talks about music, (at least) in British English the way I used it looks like is accepted when there's not a single protagonist.
Interesting, I guess those instances I'd think of like a rising chorus of voices. And I wouldn't have any issues with the usage in the given examples, I'm not sure why your usage tripped me up so badly. Maybe just ending a sentence with it that way threw me.

Definitely not trying to give you a hard time by any means your English is loads better than my Arabic or Spanish, and honestly probably much more deliberately informed than my English. But my one true love in life is probably linguistics so I'm always interested when I see usage I don't understand or recognize.
 

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From Cambridge Dictionary as examples for "choral", even if the definition talks about music:
  • The narration, in short, tends towards choral action, and has the immediacy and gestures of direct contact.
  • The remaining prisoners respond to their fellow inmate's words in a choral passage of mounting excitement
  • Private speech also occurred after other students' choral utterances were addressed by the teacher.
So I think, even if the definition talks about music, (at least) in British English the way I used it looks like is accepted when there's not a single protagonist.
Maybe "ensemble" or specifically "ensemble cast"? There's still a main character, but also a range of other characters who share screentime relatively equally.
 
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