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You are asking too much from a non-native writer :ROFLMAO:
I have the same problem in Spanish. I use words and expressions that are local to where I live(d), although not many, because they feel natural to me, although a Californian guy speaking in Spanish would mostly sprinkle his speech with "wey", "pendejo", and "chingada" because he would have a Mexican accent.
Portugal, being a rather small country, has very, VERY, different expressions for normal things, from the North to the South, from the East to the West. Expressions used in Lisbon are reason for a derisive laugh in Porto.

So, expecting that even in the same State people would call and use the same name to things, is a lot stranger than people calling things different names.

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You are asking too much from a non-native writer :ROFLMAO:
I have the same problem in Spanish. I use words and expressions that are local to where I live(d), although not many, because they feel natural to me, although a Californian guy speaking in Spanish would mostly sprinkle his speech with "wey", "pendejo", and "chingada" because he would have a Mexican accent because of proximity, even if he is a native English speaker and learned Spanish as a second language.
I wouldn't worry too much about what terms are used as long as they are reasonably accurate. I don't believe you have stated that the setting is specifically in a city or region, or even the country (presumably it's the US) so you have a fairly wide latitude on what terms you call things. There may not be one specific term that is universally correct, such as whether to call a soft drink soda or pop. I have relatives in the southeast US whose generic term for a soft drink is a "coke", even if it's a Pepsi or Sprite, which can be very confusing to visitors.
 

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Portugal, being a rather small country, has very, VERY, different expressions for normal things, from the North to the South, from the East to the West. Expressions used in Lisbon are reason for a derisive laugh in Porto.

So, expecting that even in the same State people would call and use the same name to things, is a lot stranger than people calling things different names.

Peace :)
In Spain, we have a funny anecdote about that. In the Andalusia region (southern Spain for those not familiar with our geography), it's common for men to call other men "Jefe" (chief/boss) or "Maestro" (master) as an informal form of respect.
But there's a single city in Andalusia where calling a man "Jefe" or "Maestro" can get you a sucker punch. There it's considered you're calling the man a cuck, because of something related to bullfighting and two famous bulls that were called Jefe and Maestro (in most classical Greek/Latin derived languages, and to a lesser extent Germanic languages, horns are a synonym of cucking)

So in the same region, the same word can be a form of respect or an insult only by crossing a municipal boundary.
 

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You are asking too much from a non-native writer :ROFLMAO:
I have the same problem in Spanish. I use words and expressions that are local to where I live(d), although not many, because they feel natural to me, although a Californian guy speaking in Spanish would mostly sprinkle his speech with "wey", "pendejo", and "chingada" because he would have a Mexican accent because of proximity, even if he is a native English speaker and learned Spanish as a second language.
I've heard all three of those numerous times when I lived in LA. lol
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about what terms are used as long as they are reasonably accurate. I don't believe you have stated that the setting is specifically in a city or region, or even the country (presumably it's the US) so you have a fairly wide latitude on what terms you call things. There may not be one specific term that is universally correct, such as whether to call a soft drink soda or pop. I have relatives in the southeast US whose generic term for a soft drink is a "coke", even if it's a Pepsi or Sprite, which can be very confusing to visitors.
I've stated Newport is in California, but with the mobility people in the US have, only 48% of adults living in California were born in California (real-world data). Meemaw and Betty were born in Jackson, MI, grew up in Atlanta, and Meemaw moved to California, and Betty to Africa (several countries). I guess that Norah using some southern word wouldn't be out of place because her mother and aunt could have used it. And that, by imitation, can move down to MC/The girls' generation.

It's the same with this gesture
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I reserve it for the family and, occasionally, Eileen. Is everyone Italian? Nope, but Olivia and Betty use it, it passed down the generations and Eileen has copied it unconsciously. You won't see any of the students using it (before the epilogue)
 

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I've stated Newport is in California, but with the mobility people in the US have, only 48% of adults living in California were born in California (real-world data). Meemaw and Betty were born in Jackson, MI, grew up in Atlanta, and Meemaw moved to California, and Betty to Africa (several countries). I guess that Norah using some southern word wouldn't be out of place because her mother and aunt could have used it. And that, by imitation, can move down to MC/The girls' generation.

It's the same with this gesture
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I reserve it for the family and, occasionally, Eileen. Is everyone Italian? Nope, but Olivia and Betty use it, it passed down the generations and Eileen has copied it unconsciously. You won't see any of the students using it (before the epilogue)
And that is how I try to approach the proofreading. You have a big group of people, with different backgrounds, from different areas. So, not everyone is going to speak the same way, even within the same family.
 

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And that is how I try to approach the proofreading. You have a big group of people, with different backgrounds, from different areas. So, not everyone is going to speak the same way, even within the same family.
Mom is from the East Coast, Dad is from Texas, I grew up in Alaska and moved to California to find work. I've heard 'em all. :)
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about what terms are used as long as they are reasonably accurate. I don't believe you have stated that the setting is specifically in a city or region, or even the country (presumably it's the US) so you have a fairly wide latitude on what terms you call things. There may not be one specific term that is universally correct, such as whether to call a soft drink soda or pop. I have relatives in the southeast US whose generic term for a soft drink is a "coke", even if it's a Pepsi or Sprite, which can be very confusing to visitors.
When I was young, in the area where I live, all sneakers were called Adidas. Whether it was Nike, Puma or something else.
 

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When I was young, in the area where I live, all sneakers were called Adidas. Whether it was Nike, Puma or something else.
Like Xerox is a name for photocopies. Like Chiclets are the name of Chewing gum.

Heheheheh.

Peace :)
And Hoover functionally became the name of all vacuum cleaners
We have Bimbo bread (English bread), Cacaolat (chocolate milkshake), Bambas (any sneaker, originally for the brand Wamba), Chupa Chups (any round candy on a stick), Albal paper (foil), etc.

Some brands get into the collective mind even if they disappear, like Wamba.
 

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Oh yeah they've got a lot of their own rules. I figured it was the weird Mormons, which is what I was referencing when I said we don't talk about them.
If you're talking about the folks in Colorado City/Hilldale, they're considered apostate "fundamentalists" and the Mormon church (officially, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) headquartered in Salt Lake City completely disavows them.
 
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Portugal, being a rather small country, has very, VERY, different expressions for normal things, from the North to the South, from the East to the West. Expressions used in Lisbon are reason for a derisive laugh in Porto.

So, expecting that even in the same State people would call and use the same name to things, is a lot stranger than people calling things different names.

Peace :)
...And European Portuguese is undeniably different from Brazilian Portuguese, which itself has several regional dialects (Baiano, Carioca, Mineiro, Paulistano, Caipira, Nortista, Sulista, and others), which are all different from Angolan Portuguese, or Mozambican Portuguese, or Cape Verde, or Macau, etc. etc.
 

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...And European Portuguese is undeniably different from Brazilian Portuguese, which itself has several regional dialects (Baiano, Carioca, Mineiro, Paulistano, Caipira, Nortista, Sulista, and others), which are all different from Angolan Portuguese, or Mozambican Portuguese, or Cape Verde, or Macau, etc. etc.
This isn't even about accents or dialects, it's about what people call things across the same country. Like... Girl, In the state of Rio Grande do Sul is called "Prenda" (gift), in São Paulo "Moça", In Portugal "Rapariga" in the Center, "Miúda" in the North, etc...

LOL

Peace :D
 

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This isn't even about accents or dialects, it's about what people call things across the same country. Like... Girl, In the state of Rio Grande do Sul is called "Prenda" (gift), in São Paulo "Moça", In Portugal "Rapariga" in the Center, "Miúda" in the North, etc...

LOL

Peace :D
Or "gata" if the girl is hot...
 

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Bimbo was originally Mexican. I'd never heard of them until they recently bought Hostess (of Twinkies infamy). :)
Here that brand is from Mexico. lol
Yes, the brand is Mexican, but it was the first one to sell massively English bread in Spain.
We were heavy consumers of real bread pseudo-French style bread (no real baguettes, more irregular here in Spain) and other local types (pagès (semi-spheric), Castillian hogaza(round flatbread), Galician (loaf, round, or with doughnut shape), and around a hundred more types, most of them localized in small areas).
Now, the French baguette and the Italian Ciabatta have flooded the market and they are the most common.

And to keep the post on topic, Betty loves every kind of bread, especially if it has chorizo or jamón ibérico inside.
Or if it's round, flat, and has mozzarella and other things on it.
 
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