Trope95

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I still play it. Same as I do with another game where you're a private detective from a different dev. Two word game. Do I recommend those games? Depends on who I'm talking to and what they like.
I don't know which game is the detective one, but I understand what you say about recommending a game depending on who asks. That applies to every game. I wouldn't recommend even My Dorm to a harem-hater, for example.
 

gino.pilotino

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The title has something to do with "Taking classes to become an actor" but in two words. That's why I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I consider it good because the dev made me feel what he wanted me to feel, but it spent months without being opened after THE CHOICE.
I won't ever recommend it, but it's a masterpiece in its genre. A genre I don't enjoy.

As My Dorm has shown, I'm more into happy endings.
I played AL too. When you reach the final choice, you need a lot of willpower to keep going and get to the end.
 
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I played AL too. When you reach the final choice, you need a lot of willpower to keep going and get to the end.
I took it as a "Rite of Passage" in the AVN world. It is at the same time one of the best games I've played and the worst game ever.

It, indeed, managed to create indelible impressions. Painful and cruel beyond measure. The purpose, to me, wasn't really clear. Why such a choice? Meaningless even because it is the end of the game anyway. IMO, and I have to be clear here, that it is really just a rather personal view, this cruelty was a power trip. DPC did it because he could. To show he could.

The choice that mars the game, that simply destroys it's purpose, is there as a mark of who the Dev is. BaDIK only confirms it further. He's into creating very deep connections and then torture you with it. In his games, cruelty, IS the point. In fact, cruelty is THE game.

I would call it sadistic, if I wanted to be simplistic about it. But it isn't. There's no real pleasure in the cruelty, only a power assertion. It's psychopathic, "sociopathic" even (if sociopaths even existed), it's made that way simply because he can.

Look at his stance on "Walkthroughs". The point of his games is to be cruel. That's it.

Peace :(
 

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I lacked that willpower. It was the first time I looked into a Ren'py game code to see if there was a way to avoid it.
I finished the game and tried one or two variations in the path to see if something changed. However that choice made it so I am very unlikely to ever play the game again. For me a perfect example of a dev that either didn't understand their audience at the time or made a game so much for themselves, that maybe they should've consider not releasing it.
Their next game they did it a lot better but even there they added stuff in the last update that made me so bummed out it went from a sure buy to a "I'll see what final product is, I guess".

Strange if you think about it how a single moment can ruin a whole game (or any other story for that matter) for you. Probably has something to do with expectation management or so.
 

Trope95

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I finished the game and tried one or two variations in the path to see if something changed. However that choice made it so I am very unlikely to ever play the game again. For me a perfect example of a dev that either didn't understand their audience at the time or made a game so much for themselves, that maybe they should've consider not releasing it.
Their next game they did it a lot better but even there they added stuff in the last update that made me so bummed out it went from a sure buy to a "I'll see what final product is, I guess".

Strange if you think about it how a single moment can ruin a whole game (or any other story for that matter) for you. Probably has something to do with expectation management or so.
A game is a trust relationship between two people, each individual player and the dev. It costs a lot to build it up, but only a moment to destroy it.

Imagine if, in the last update, I wouldn't have allowed the player to save Kim (and Amanda wasn't there), or if I added NTR (not the company) for the sake of it, or if...
A moment of the dev saying "fuck off, I want to do this regardless of what the game has been until now and what the players expect, only because I can and the game is 'mine'." and the game is destroyed forever.

A dev who thinks that is wrong. It's not "his" game. The game is built between the dev and his players. A game without players is not a game, it's a mental wank from someone self-called a dev.
 

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A dev who thinks that is wrong. It's not "his" game. The game is built between the dev and his players. A game without players is not a game, it's a mental wank from someone self-called a dev.
Like a murder mystery where the killer turned out to be someone who had no content since their intro paragraph in ch 1.
 

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I took it as a "Rite of Passage" in the AVN world. It is at the same time one of the best games I've played and the worst game ever.

It, indeed, managed to create indelible impressions. Painful and cruel beyond measure. The purpose, to me, wasn't really clear. Why such a choice? Meaningless even because it is the end of the game anyway. IMO, and I have to be clear here, that it is really just a rather personal view, this cruelty was a power trip. DPC did it because he could. To show he could.

The choice that mars the game, that simply destroys it's purpose, is there as a mark of who the Dev is. BaDIK only confirms it further. He's into creating very deep connections and then torture you with it. In his games, cruelty, IS the point. In fact, cruelty is THE game.

I would call it sadistic, if I wanted to be simplistic about it. But it isn't. There's no real pleasure in the cruelty, only a power assertion. It's psychopathic, "sociopathic" even (if sociopaths even existed), it's made that way simply because he can.

Look at his stance on "Walkthroughs". The point of his games is to be cruel. That's it.

Peace :(
I refuse to play with his BS. I will never play his games.
 

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I refuse to play with his BS. I will never play his games.
Yeah, plus his ongoing game the thread is a bit toxic, don't get me wrong there are some really nice and accesible fans, with which interacting is a pleasure, I think both games are overrated.
If I want philosophical dilemas I'll go to a debating club.
No need to play an AVN for that.
 

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I started the other game with a grandmother. I was hoping to find Olivia, but actually I'm very disappointed so far. However, one thing made me smile. His best friend's mother's apartment is very similar to Sam's apartment.

EDIT: Mumble mumble. I went a little further and there are several similarities, besides Sam's house. What's going on?
 
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I started the other game with a grandmother. I was hoping to find Olivia, but actually I'm very disappointed so far. However, one thing made me smile. His best friend's mother's apartment is very similar to Sam's apartment.

EDIT: Mumble mumble. I went a little further and there are several similarities, besides Sam's house. What's going on?
The universe just likes duality
 
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