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I don't know how to unlock the 3rd and 9nth ending,the guide is kinda vague,they tell to go back to a decision but the ending doesn't trigger.
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Now I've finished the game and thought more about Misaki's behaviour, I think I understand. I'm surprised how well she comes together.
I'm really surprised how well it comes together. The final scene in Fin 1 is fantastic. Think about all 5 of them in that scene and what's getting each of them off. It's very complex and ridiculous.
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I'm really surprised how well it comes together. The final scene in Fin 1 is fantastic. Think about all 5 of them in that scene and what's getting each of them off. It's very complex and ridiculous.
If you read my post above I explain why I think Misaki has an embarressment/shame fetish and is not, primarily after big dicks, then I think there's a decent explanation; Which is:
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The more I think about this game the better it gets. It's quite hard to get this understanding while playing.
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Does Misaki ever claim to be unsatisfied with sex with the mc?
Seems more like as you said she unexpectedly discovers her kink with Aida. He then restricts her sex with mc.
Later on in both routes she seems to enjoy it a lot when they finally have sex in either of the routes, despite him still being very unskilled.
So the problem is the situation they were put in that stops them from communicating with each other about this.
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That's a good explanation. And honestly I'm nitpicking here. This game is better than almost everything in terms of writing and maturity. However, as to Misaki using Aida as an exploration of her humiliation fetish... I don't like it. Not that it's not possible, because it totally is logically. But just the fact that Misaki would have her sexual fetish shared with Aida and not MC, it's just so wrong and sad.
In terms of psychologically, I have doubts this is the norm. Most women who are into humiliation can only open themselves up to someone she's safe with, eg MC. I've read a PHD's disseration on women's rape kinks
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(You can find the pdf somewhere, I forgot where. It's on my kindle as a pdf , it's a long read).In it, it describes a distinction between something that's sexy on paper, such as being fucked by a stranger forcefully (which if you read the paper, almost always describes the stranger to be very attractive
) than actually having a stranger go into their home and rape her.So, Misaki's tastes are very unusual, though again not impossible. But the fact that the game makes an effort to have nuances here, outside of the standard "big dick go retard", is good.
I see your point, the entire game is obviously extreme. The route 1 finale with 5 people with different fetishes all combining at the same time!
I'll hunt for the study as I'm interested in the psychology, but rape isn't my thing and it made me put this game down for a while.
As for the fact it's "so wrong and sad". Isn't that somewhat the point of the genre? It's kinda showing it's done it job. If they talked about it and proceded as a couple it wouldn't be NTR.
I'm also not trying to say bigus dickus wasn't a factor. Just not the primary factor.
I'll hunt for the study as I'm interested in the psychology, but rape isn't my thing and it made me put this game down for a while.
My point was by the time she discovered this fetish, the blackmail and lies etc made it impossible for her to explore it with the MC. In fact thinking about it, route 2 finale is basically them exploring her humilation kink together with the MC's. The guy at the end she was teasing at home was specifically a guy Misaki didn't like.
As for the fact it's "so wrong and sad". Isn't that somewhat the point of the genre? It's kinda showing it's done it job. If they talked about it and proceded as a couple it wouldn't be NTR.
I'm also not trying to say bigus dickus wasn't a factor. Just not the primary factor.
You hit the nail on the head there. I personally feel like this is a great way to tell an NTR story. It stops the entire problem of 'asshole MC'. There needs to be some reason this sexual issue can't be resolved by usual means or it becomes unbelievable. I'm nearly done reading The Edge Of and it suffers from this problem. The man is an asshole who refuses to communicate so you don't feel bad for him.
Misaki does trust Aida and feels safe with him, thats why she goes along with all this.That's a good explanation. And honestly I'm nitpicking here. This game is better than almost everything in terms of writing and maturity. However, as to Misaki using Aida as an exploration of her humiliation fetish... I don't like it. Not that it's not possible, because it totally is logically. But just the fact that Misaki would have her sexual fetish shared with Aida and not MC, it's just so wrong and sad.
In terms of psychologically, I have doubts this is the norm. Most women who are into humiliation can only open themselves up to someone she's safe with, eg MC. I've read a PHD's disseration on women's rape kinksYou must be registered to see the links(You can find the pdf somewhere, I forgot where. It's on my kindle as a pdf , it's a long read).
In it, it describes a distinction between something that's sexy on paper, such as being fucked by a stranger forcefully (which if you read the paper, almost always describes the stranger to be very attractive
So, Misaki's tastes are very unusual, though again not impossible. But the fact that the game makes an effort to have nuances here, outside of the standard "big dick go retard", is good.
There is a part when she stays over with him the first time he gives her his blanket or something, she smiles when she wraps herself in it. Later she tells Aida that the smell reminds her of her father and she used to sleep with him after her mother died and she says it makes her feel safe.
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Thank you so much for translating this gem! I waited for this game so long and finally enjoyed it. Hope for Ningen Debris, Biniku no Kaori and Isaku series will get translated someday. Really want to read it, I want it even more than I want to have sex. Boku no Kanojo VN of the year for me so far. Aida best character here.
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As I said my problem is mostly with the execution before chapter 3. Before chapter 3 is never established that she can be emotionally manipulated, is sexually frustrated, has a humiliation fetish and feels secure with Aida because he also smokes like her father. We learn this in chapters 3 and 4 but it contradicts what was established in chapters 1 and 2. If in chapters 1 and 2 there were some subtle clues about what we would discover later, that part of the story would not feel artificial.
Chapters 1 and 2 are from the MCs pov. So you only see her personality and what occurs in the story from his perspective.
At the start of the game Aida is already trying to emotionally manipulate her and succeeding to an extent, with getting workers to quit and making her feel guilty for it. She also says she feels bad for causing trouble for him. He uses the same tactic to make her hire MC. During the first stay at the inn at the end of chapter 1, she is again manipulated by kurokawa into drinking by making her feel protective towards Chinnen.
And she is never sexually frustrated, I don't think she ever claims to be so. Again once everything is out in the open at the end she enjoys sex with MC probably more than Aida and Co and in fin1 even admits it out loud.
She only discovers her humiliation fetish after sex with Aida, after which she hides the whole thing. So in chapter 2 you don't get any hint of it because it's from the MCs perspective.
The shock of finding the details out in chapter 3 and 4 is the whole ntr thing of this game, chapter 1 and 2 are build up . Like a mystery story you can't reveal too much at the start. Hints are there that something if off.
And maybe I missed stuff, but what exactly in chapter 1 and 2 directly contradicts what happens later in the game?
Ya certain things are kept hidden, but this is to serve the shock of the reveal later.
I am probably dumb but I think the emotional manipulation that Aida uses in chapter 3 is "you did something bad to me so now you owe me" In chapter 1 Masashi is stubbornly refusing to accept to work until he gets to know Misaki and he accepts to work after Misaki already gave up on him. At the drinking party that emotional manipulation is also different from what Aida uses.
In chapter 3 there is the choice between "I want to give me a paizuri" and "I want to go down with Misaki".
If Aida chooses paizuri end 4 happens when she leaves him and doesn't come back. If he gives her pleasure she accepts to have sex with him and pretends to be his wife and chapter 4 begins. It is like Misaki liked sexual pleasure all along. If so, we could have had some small hints.
We also could learn that Aida smokes like her father earlier. Even the humiliation fetish could have hints earlier.
Maybe contradicts is not the correct word but all these things are not established before so it appears that it was put together at the last minute to make the story happen. It is only explained right after the blackmail and emotional manipulation happen so it feels artificial.
As I said the best part of the story is the long build-up where we get to know the characters, it makes the rest of the story better. The sex scenes are erotic. My only complaint that other people also noted would be that chapter 3 of the story could a little better execution.
In chapter 3 there is the choice between "I want to give me a paizuri" and "I want to go down with Misaki".
If Aida chooses paizuri end 4 happens when she leaves him and doesn't come back. If he gives her pleasure she accepts to have sex with him and pretends to be his wife and chapter 4 begins. It is like Misaki liked sexual pleasure all along. If so, we could have had some small hints.
We also could learn that Aida smokes like her father earlier. Even the humiliation fetish could have hints earlier.
Maybe contradicts is not the correct word but all these things are not established before so it appears that it was put together at the last minute to make the story happen. It is only explained right after the blackmail and emotional manipulation happen so it feels artificial.
As I said the best part of the story is the long build-up where we get to know the characters, it makes the rest of the story better. The sex scenes are erotic. My only complaint that other people also noted would be that chapter 3 of the story could a little better execution.
My understanding was after the blowjob Aida tells her that he always loved her and after the blowjob he cant control himself anymore. So he asks her to be his pretend wife until he can find someone, so he tries to guilt her into it, same as he has done before. Now misaki would never go along with it if she didnt trust the guy or it was something that was outright forced on her.
Regarding sexual pleasure they both were virgins when they met and didn't really experiment much and owing to Mc being unskilled and very quick and also Misaki being very shy about it. She never really experienced such sexual pleasure. And yes you are right the pleasure is a big part of why she goes along with it, it's not a case of her being sexually unsatisfied per say, she still claims she enjoy having sex with the mc, it's rather she discovers this new thing and becomes sort of addicted to it.
Basically, hard to miss and be unsatisfied over something you don't know the existence of. This is also why it's not alluded to in chapter 1. By chapter 4 they have been at it for over 3 years I think, she is deep into it at this point.
It's hard to allude to the humiliation fetish thing early on cause we don't play as Misaki in the first two chapters, like how MCs later netorare kink is established through a choice between frustration and excitement, game doesn't move forward if you don't pick exciting.
She also doesn't discover the kink until sex with Aida. So hard to allude to something that doesn't exist at the time.
(There is one thing I thought about regarding this, during their first time Misaki forbids Mc from looking at her vagina, she is unusually shy about it maybe that has some relation to the fetish she awakens later on?, or is it just set up for ntr)
Regarding the smelling like her father part. This is an added detail to flesh out their relationship. I think them establishing that Aida is someone they both trust earlier on is more important to set up why she goes along with what he says. The smells like her father part explains why she might form a connection with him once the sex starts. But I personally don't feel adding some early reference to this in the game would have made such a difference.
It could have been a nice addition though.
Chapter 1 is more focused on the main couples relationship through the eyes of the Mc. So it's natural not everything gets touched on. Her feeling comfort in her father's smell is not something relevant to their relationship rather that of Aida and her's hence it's mention there.
A lot of these things are deliberately not mentioned cause the writer tries to put you into the shoes of the MC, to really feel the ntr. And all these things are hard for the mc to know about beforehand. This also feeds into shock of the reveal. They want to create greater empathy with the protagonist to enhance the ntr. They want the players to feel that shock of finding out unknown things about someone who you are close to and thought you knew the best and the resultant ntr feelings that comes from knowing that it was someone else who discovered them. Alluding to it beforehand would be counterproductive to this.
I see your point though chapter 3 is the weakest of the bunch. Despite doing something different with the blackmail plot, it's still somewhat of a stretch. And I feel they could have added more depth to the character of Aida. It felt like the writer tried to inject some comedy into the story through his character. Sometimes it's hard to take him seriously. The final scene of this chapter is great though.
The blackmail in Chapter 3 is weak. Kurokawa saying he wants Misaki to give Aida a blowjob? It's all a bit silly. The way the chain of blackmail requests progress is the weakest part of the game. I agree with nhami on this point entirely. I think the turning point is at Misaki's house after the blowjob when he has sex with her. She's getting turned on by that point.
As for dropping hints about Misaki's humilation fetish or sexual frustation I think my original point stands. She didn't know. I think it's great that way. As JackDawson says it makes the NTR hit so much harder. If she knew and dropped hints etc then we have the problem of why doesn't the MC do anything about it and we end up with weak cuck MC that's not believable.
Just replaying the scene where Aida first fucks her in Chapter 3. As soon as he slides in he says "... Then why are you so wet?" and she responsds "I don't know."
As for dropping hints about Misaki's humilation fetish or sexual frustation I think my original point stands. She didn't know. I think it's great that way. As JackDawson says it makes the NTR hit so much harder. If she knew and dropped hints etc then we have the problem of why doesn't the MC do anything about it and we end up with weak cuck MC that's not believable.
Just replaying the scene where Aida first fucks her in Chapter 3. As soon as he slides in he says "... Then why are you so wet?" and she responsds "I don't know."
I mean this is from the country of "it can't be helped" is it really that surprising none of the characters act like rational people?
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I think that the fact people discuss the characters so much shows how good the game is. You keep going back over the motivations etc.
Is there some porn logic? Sure. But at the same time, in real life people cheat for almost no reason. So I can accept sorta dumb reasons (the first bj was the only borderline thing for me).
Is there some porn logic? Sure. But at the same time, in real life people cheat for almost no reason. So I can accept sorta dumb reasons (the first bj was the only borderline thing for me).
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You could eat it, yes. That symbol represents a heart (lying on the side).
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Is there a way to turn off the animations? I have them turned them off in config, but they still run, and still cause me problems.