cleanfeel

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It's a bit far-fetched, but it can be understood that, maybe in Misaki's mind, Aida is also a victim, and Misaki's blow job insulted him so that When the tables are turned she would not refuse his request. In addition, she is afraid to make noise to let her husband know what happened before, and Saki is unwilling to resist as before for fear of divorce. Of course, I think it has to be explained by the author's will that she lost her mind and had no choice but to endure.
Maybe? This part is the weakest part of the game for me IMO. Set up, wonderful. The tear down, still a bit illogical.

I guess I'm in the camp that firmly believes no woman can ever be "blackmailed into being cock addict".

I always believe that a very attractive male can blackmail a woman, woman don't like it at first. She feels pleasure during sex. But she doesn't fall low enough to be "addicted" and "beg for it".

I think there needs to be another factor. In some games, the severance of relationship is one where the cuckold himself is either a) presumed dead or b) acts badly to wife either through neglect or abuse.

None of which, games / stories do well. I think the closest one is Dark Hero Party, but Dark Hero Party relationship between MC and FMC is non-existent.

I'll need to play this game closely again, but yeah I'm really not buying the corruption part of the game so far. Misaki thinks Aida is forced to have his cock sucked because blackmail...OK weird but I can spin it.

Misaki takes dick from behind and doesn't fight back, and LIKES it? No not good enough for me.
 
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Maybe? This part is the weakest part of the game for me IMO. Set up, wonderful. The tear down, still a bit illogical.
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Misaki takes dick from behind and doesn't fight back, and LIKES it? No not good enough for me.
I was also bothered by it. Otoh I guess it all boils down to her being sexually unsatisfied and the whole jap culture where no means yes?

I really liked the setup but in the end I don't think they pulled off a believable story, and I say this knowing this is one of the best examples. I always thought its supposed to be easy to do these kind of stories, one party or both parties are interested (or discover themselves interested) in cuckolding, being cuckolded or cuckolding each other and that's it, but most just derail into dumb blackmails and unbeliavable mind control cock addiction stuff. I hate that a big part of the plot is based on her getting raped and forced multiple times until giving in. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that's rape fetish not ntr fetish.

I'd rather the plot be centered on one or both of them being sexually awakened, and I don't mind the characters lying to themselves, but its like the game is lying to the audience: "see, it's not their faults, they are being FORCED by evil people until its too late and their brains mutate and derange". A light blackmail perhaps, some slow burn corruption ok, forcing a character out of comfort zone maybe... but in the end it has to be their choice, otherwise its just abuse and that's some other kind of kink. Then again maybe i'm just not the target audience or I'm not "getting" the culture were this was created.
 
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nhami

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One problem I have is that her being sexually unsatisfied is not shown in the first part of the story. In the middle of the story, we learn that Aida satisfies her sexually and in the true ending they both learn how to satisfy each other sexually. The only problem is that they never had a problem with not having sex during the first part of the story. If sex was never a problem then there is no reason for Misaki to seek sex with Aida or for Masaki to care about her affair with Aida.

This is also a problem with the emotional manipulation of Misaki(you did something bad to me and now you owe me compensation). I had to read 3 times the blackmail part of the story until I understood it hahaha. It could be summarized like this: Aida says that the act of giving him a blowjob to stop Kurokawa from spreading the photo is like performing a sex act without his consent(so she had raped him). She had done something bad to him(despite the fact he was willing to suicide himself a few seconds earlier) and demands her to kiss, have sex with him and pretend to be his wife as an apology and... she accepts... Pause. Maybe we could believe that if we had been shown early in the story an instance of she being emotionally manipulated like that.

One way I thought of fixing the blackmail part would be Aida putting himself in danger(him saying he would suicide himself was cringe) to save Misaki and then Kurokawa(or other characters) forcing her to give him a blowjob and also show her doing something bad to someone then she does what the other person says for her to redeem herself.
 

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I'm surprised this game was only translated recently... I remember seeing animations from this game out of context, I was pretty dissapointed when I learned that it's NTR
 

cleanfeel

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One problem I have is that her being sexually unsatisfied is not shown in the first part of the story. In the middle of the story, we learn that Aida satisfies her sexually and in the true ending they both learn how to satisfy each other sexually. The only problem is that they never had a problem with not having sex during the first part of the story. If sex was never a problem then there is no reason for Misaki to seek sex with Aida or for Masaki to care about her affair with Aida.
Very true! I didn't actually read this part btw, but if this is the excuse Misaki has, it's very weak. Sex is a two way street. If your husband is bad at sex, teach him. Small penis doesn't mean you can't make a girl cum. There's hands, mouth, fingers, vibrators, dildos, etc. Now, if MC is a "macho man" who doesn't eat pussy or doesn't want to please his wife, OK Misaki, you have my blessing go cheat on him. But then that's not NTR, and the MC deserves it for being selfish.


Aida says that the act of giving him a blowjob to stop Kurokawa from spreading the photo is like performing a sex act without his consent(so she had raped him). She had done something bad to him(despite the fact he was willing to suicide himself a few seconds earlier) and demands her to kiss, have sex with him and pretend to be his wife as an apology and... she accepts... Pause. Maybe we could believe that if we had been shown early in the story an instance of she being emotionally manipulated like that.
OK I can kinda follow Aida's logic, it's not completely retarded. But it's also not great for Misaki's character as you say. That kind of emotional manipulation can work against weak minded girls on the left side of the bell curve. But Misaki is an Alpha. She's a tomboyish girl. In my eyes, she'll stare at Aida and say "Are you fucking kidding me? I sucked your dick. Fuck off." Misaki, in my eyes, is the kind of girl you have to really push to force her legs open. Threaten her husband, her kids, her reputation, maybe. But that argument is weak sauce.

I think Aida just needs to force her to have sex or kidnaps her kid. Force her to make a sex tape where she has to pretend to be cheating (like go all out, film 4 scenes in different locations and use it to potentially trick MC thinking it's been going on for years). Give her back her kid. But now has tangible, reputation ending blackmail material.

Idk, from my experience Japanese people are not the only one to not understand how women pleasure works. Hence we get 99.9% "women big cock o m g" videos or "cock addict" or "smelly old man dick cheese" troupes.

These mother fuckers need to have some sex and actually communicate with their women on what they like or dislike. Penis in Vagina sex is like the least effective way you can make a girl cum. Your mouth and fingers is all you need. Good hygiene, good smelling, muscles, low fat, etc. Sweet talk, or dirty talk helps too. Nobody gets this right in all the sex stuff I browse.
 

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I don't know if anybody else has said this because I haven't read thru the whole form but I love elf games and now that this got a translation which people thought would be impossible I hope we can get the Maro no Kanja wa Gatenkei series translated also
 
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poipoi

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Just finished the visual novel poipoi. The story was superb, didn’t expect it to be this gritty and wrenching. Are you planning on translating anymore works from Elf? Thanks anyways bro you’re the goat.
Thanks, I'm glad you've liked it. Possibly, not right away though.
 

hsdggg

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Very true! I didn't actually read this part btw, but if this is the excuse Misaki has, it's very weak. Sex is a two way street. If your husband is bad at sex, teach him. Small penis doesn't mean you can't make a girl cum. There's hands, mouth, fingers, vibrators, dildos, etc. Now, if MC is a "macho man" who doesn't eat pussy or doesn't want to please his wife, OK Misaki, you have my blessing go cheat on him. But then that's not NTR, and the MC deserves it for being selfish.




OK I can kinda follow Aida's logic, it's not completely retarded. But it's also not great for Misaki's character as you say. That kind of emotional manipulation can work against weak minded girls on the left side of the bell curve. But Misaki is an Alpha. She's a tomboyish girl. In my eyes, she'll stare at Aida and say "Are you fucking kidding me? I sucked your dick. Fuck off." Misaki, in my eyes, is the kind of girl you have to really push to force her legs open. Threaten her husband, her kids, her reputation, maybe. But that argument is weak sauce.

I think Aida just needs to force her to have sex or kidnaps her kid. Force her to make a sex tape where she has to pretend to be cheating (like go all out, film 4 scenes in different locations and use it to potentially trick MC thinking it's been going on for years). Give her back her kid. But now has tangible, reputation ending blackmail material.

Idk, from my experience Japanese people are not the only one to not understand how women pleasure works. Hence we get 99.9% "women big cock o m g" videos or "cock addict" or "smelly old man dick cheese" troupes.

These mother fuckers need to have some sex and actually communicate with their women on what they like or dislike. Penis in Vagina sex is like the least effective way you can make a girl cum. Your mouth and fingers is all you need. Good hygiene, good smelling, muscles, low fat, etc. Sweet talk, or dirty talk helps too. Nobody gets this right in all the sex stuff I browse.
I mean, it didn't make sense from the start. Misaki completely lost her normal mind after the first chapter, not to mention the personality the author created for her in the first chapter. She keeps compromising. She was extremely polite and gentle to Kuroda, even when he threatened her. It's a very strange attitude. And in the face of an absurd and impotent threat, Misaki reacts with horror rather than anger. It was the strangest reaction.
 

hsdggg

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The story makes people have no choice but to make some insignificant choices from the perspective of the scriptwriter, but all of them go to the trap he set, the so-called feed shit.BTW,The bgm is particularly moving.
 
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hsdggg

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What I care about most is that the husband doesn't know the whole truth until the end, and the wife doesn't want to tell. And the bastards get away with it!
 
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hsdggg

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I have a lot of sympathy for the underdog when I play this type of game, but a lot of people prefer to be jerks. I'd rather fuck the jerks’women and humiliate them! Am I wrong?LOL
 
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the_anthony

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The guide is missing a choice that is causing people to not be able to progress in the game. the choice is in the first part of the game when you're in the convenience store with two options if you choose the option that says that you're frustrated then in the second part you'll be redirected to the main screen without being able to progress so in order to progress you have to choose the excited option. hopefully this helps people who are also stuck there.
 

Legodude9

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I know it's dumb but can someone help me make sense of the plot if the game? I played to the first ending choice and was traumatised from what I saw and mainly the wifes reaction to it with the restraining order and loss of custody of the kid. Can someone explain the endings (aside frim the previously mentioned one) as I need closure on why she did what she did and how long (since the first hotel party? I was thinking while she was drunk as well as when she says "Not inside!" Is not refering to her husband) she has been cheating. Sorry but I have had this stuck in my mind and heart for the past few days and it's destroying me, this will always teach me to remember to look at the tags before searching the pregnancy tag. :cry::cry:
 

Legodude9

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I have a lot of sympathy for the underdog when I play this type of game, but a lot of people prefer to be jerks. I'd rather fuck the jerks’women and humiliate them! Am I wrong?LOL
I think this is a form of ntr I can get behind, but tbh I'd just do cheating rather then Ntr, as Ntr just hurts my heart to see in H games and hentai.
 

TeJin1410

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I know it's dumb but can someone help me make sense of the plot if the game? I played to the first ending choice and was traumatised from what I saw and mainly the wifes reaction to it with the restraining order and loss of custody of the kid. Can someone explain the endings (aside frim the previously mentioned one) as I need closure on why she did what she did and how long (since the first hotel party? I was thinking while she was drunk as well as when she says "Not inside!" Is not refering to her husband) she has been cheating. Sorry but I have had this stuck in my mind and heart for the past few days and it's destroying me, this will always teach me to remember to look at the tags before searching the pregnancy tag. :cry::cry:
I just finished this game today, just as you would think everything happened after that party. Misaki got drugged+drunk and r*p*d afterwards. Bastard Aida recorded everything and blackmailed her very long time.The sad thing here is that Masaki (The child)may not be Tanaka and Misaki biological son either(I'm still a bit confused about that since there's no mention of DNA testing in the game).
Therefore, Misaki's "silence" is the thing that I hate the most about the female characters in the Game and even Japanese people in real life.
They never share their problems with their loved ones, always keep quiet without fighting for themselves and their loved ones.
But at least if you choose "Fight" and "Forgive" both of them will get back together and heal the wounds they suffered together.
 
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I just finished this game today, just as you would think everything happened after that party. Misaki got drugged+drunk and r*p*d afterwards. Bastard Aida recorded everything and blackmailed her very long time.The sad thing here is that Masaki (The child)may not be Tanaka and Misaki biological son either(I'm still a bit confused about that since there's no mention of DNA testing in the game).
Therefore, Misaki's "silence" is the thing that I hate the most about the female characters in the Game and even Japanese people in real life.
They never share their problems with their loved ones, always keep quiet without fighting for themselves and their loved ones.
But at least if you choose "Fight" and "Forgive" both of them will get back together and heal the wounds they suffered together.
As a non-NTR Enjoyer should I attempt to get the good endings? Is it worth it as dumb as that sounds? If not I'm going to try and forget about this game, the art is good but my heart and mind cannot bear the story of "NEET gets Tomboy GF, lives happily and gets married, has a interesting night a kid BUT then it turns out his wife is cheating on him-(To the part I got to)" it hurts on a deeper level due to wanting to create a family in the future.
 

TeJin1410

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As a non-NTR Enjoyer should I attempt to get the good endings? Is it worth it as dumb as that sounds? If not I'm going to try and forget about this game, the art is good but my heart and mind cannot bear the story of "NEET gets Tomboy GF, lives happily and gets married, has a interesting night a kid BUT then it turns out his wife is cheating on him-(To the part I got to)" it hurts on a deeper level due to wanting to create a family in the future.
If you're not a fan of NTR, then I don't recommend playing. To get to the end like I said, you still have to watch a lot of NTR scenes.
There is only one ending where the two of them get back together, the problem is that the wife has changed to correct the mistake but the husband is stuck with the new hobby "Netorase-getting excited when wife has sex with other man".Pretty stupid isn't it? :D
 
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