VN Others Completed My Girlfriend Is a Blue-Collar Worker [Final] [Elf]

[Noodle2502]

Out of curiosity, which ending did you get?

I went for the happy (ish) ending. All things consider I believe that it made sense. I was very conflicted (emotionally) with this game but I believe it ended beautifully. Where the couple went, the path they were set on and the major cultural elements that forced them to make the decisions they made (good, bad, or indifferent) prevented things from going back to how they were. They were forever changed. Sure they could have cut there losses but that would've been running away from the problem, in my opinion. Them remaining together made sense, while at the same time, breaking up also makes sense. This is a great conversation to have.

 

[Noodle2502]

I love that even for non-ero scenes, the writting are superb. You can feel protagonist anger, insecurity, and nauseousness from the writting alone. The twist about hidden villain of this game also beautifully done.

I agree. the writing is wonderful. The antagonist within the game makes so much sense and does a number on the wife and husband, while at the same time, helping them grow closer. When you think about it, the villain unintentionally forced the couple to be honest with each other. He ultimately loosing the girl twice. Once when the couple was first married and a second time after they reunited. Sure he had her body in always possible but he never had her heart. The villain thought that the body was all there was to gain from a woman. He never really satisfied his warped desires (which is why they continued to escolate) because he likely held unfulfilled desires for love that he never received. The villain was a perpetual man-child, spoiled and protected by dad, potentially abandoned by mom (not known, just an assumption), and unbelievably entitled. Essentially, he lost even when he (we) believed he won. This game was a true masterpiece. Great conversation.

 

[Noodle2502]

I’ve been spending the past month or so digging into the rise of the NTR genre how it started, and what has made people so accepting of it within the last 10 to 15 years, when circles like ELF were seriously financially hurt for exploring this subgenre or making heroines non-virgins. Obviously, through my research, I’ve come across this game and made many other discoveries, but to stay on the topic of this game it completely made me have to redefine and relook at how I view love and relationships. And that’s groundbreaking coming from me, someone who’s sacrificed his entire life out of pride.

In the simplest way possible, the entire game is a fight between the impure and the pure as what you believe in as its underlying message, and it constantly beats you over the head with it. Someone said earlier in this thread that the game was full of “Japanisms,” which made it unbelievable in a sense but that’s exactly what the entire game is fighting against. The traditional “Japanisms” that say if a heroine isn’t pure, then she isn’t worth loving, and that once she’s tainted, she’s worthless.

I firmly believe this visual novel is one of the most important VNs to ever exist not even because the content is profoundly deep, but because it challenged an ideal and forced those who have certain beliefs to rethink what is love to you and how do you value it? Especially at the time of this game’s release, when hardcore otaku moe culture ruled, and if an artist even hinted at a heroine not being a virgin, he’d lose his career.

If this game were to release now when we live in the era of the whore I have not a single doubt it would win awards. I don’t want to ramble, but in case someone isn’t quite understanding what I’m talking about, I went through almost 10 years’ worth of comments on this game and came across a review where someone said, “The people who need to receive the message most from this game will never give it a chance.” I think that line sums up pretty well not only the reason behind why ELF failed but also this entire genre. I have so many jumbled, complicated thoughts about this game that would take forever to piece together, but I’ll just say this, this game was truly before it's time in every sense of the phrase. If a game or piece of art can make you as a person stop in your REAL life and think "wait is what im doing right" "have I been making a mistake", then in my opinion it is ground breaking.

Thank you for sharing. I stepped away from this game feeling a similar way and wanted to know more about its development along with the press surrounding its release. I read the article you referenced and agree with the quote. I was challenged to investigate my own emotions and feelings dredged up by the subject matter within the game. Aside for pure and impure, I believe ego and ownership are themes overlooked or not discussed enough about NTR/S games. Within romantic relationships, marriage or otherwise, there is an underline belief of ownership and exclusivity of the partners. We are all people with agency. Thoughts, fears, hopes, and dreams that exist despite the type of relationship we are in. You never really possess anyone, nor should you. Hopefully they care for, and like you enough to DECIDE to stay with you. Law of marriage doesn't change this fact, in my opinion. I fight with the subject matter because I self-insert as the male protagonist and think, "How could she do this to me?" Naturally (for me). But why? Ego and ownership... These are two sides of the same coin in my opinion. Something we can not do away with. Something that isn't uniquely masculine. I don't want to delve deeper (or dig a deeper hole) than I already have but I believe NTR/S tugs at the ego and owner within males, both stoking it and bruising it simultaneously. Our egos must accept that the only things we own are our emotions and decisions.

Within relationships, trust through communication and honesty helps to prevent short falls often portrayed in these games. If culture at large says-without literally saying so but through action or inaction-that we don't discuss our desires, or misgivings, or boundaries; then we leave ourselves open to be exploited by others who my tap into what we won't discuss with the one we love.

Excuse the nonsensical rambling. I this is cool discussion to have. Thanks again for sharing. Take care.

 

[Lex Thorson]

Thank you for sharing. I stepped away from this game feeling a similar way and wanted to know more about its development along with the press surrounding its release. I read the article you referenced and agree with the quote. I was challenged to investigate my own emotions and feelings dredged up by the subject matter within the game. Aside for pure and impure, I believe ego and ownership are themes overlooked or not discussed enough about NTR/S games. Within romantic relationships, marriage or otherwise, there is an underline belief of ownership and exclusivity of the partners. We are all people with agency. Thoughts, fears, hopes, and dreams that exist despite the type of relationship we are in. You never really possess anyone, nor should you. Hopefully they care for, and like you enough to DECIDE to stay with you. Law of marriage doesn't change this fact, in my opinion. I fight with the subject matter because I self-insert as the male protagonist and think, "How could she do this to me?" Naturally (for me). But why? Ego and ownership... These are two sides of the same coin in my opinion. Something we can not do away with. Something that isn't uniquely masculine. I don't want to delve deeper (or dig a deeper hole) than I already have but I believe NTR/S tugs at the ego and owner within males, both stoking it and bruising it simultaneously. Our egos must accept that the only things we own are our emotions and decisions.

Within relationships, trust through communication and honesty helps to prevent short falls often portrayed in these games. If culture at large says-without literally saying so but through action or inaction-that we don't discuss our desires, or misgivings, or boundaries; then we leave ourselves open to be exploited by others who my tap into what we won't discuss with the one we love.

Excuse the nonsensical rambling. I this is cool discussion to have. Thanks again for sharing. Take care.

You raise excellent points with all of your previous messages. Openness, communication, and honesty is very important in a relationship and can help prevent tragic situations. It isn't necessarily the couples fault so much as society's that they were too shy, reluctant, and afraid to confide with each other about their desires, needs, and so on, as well as some of the difficulties and pressures they face. And yes, despite the terrible things that had to occur, the couples love for each other aren't any inferior to the way they were in the beginning of the story. You could argue that now their relationship is stronger in ways and better prepared to handle situations like these in the future instead of being as innocent, shy, ignorant, naive, etc.

 

[stupid_army]

Wait , i just read this game review on VNDB , so i wanna ask about this detail:

Spoiler: bed

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[diocancaro223]

I don't think it's ever mentioned in the game, but it's almost certainly true.

 

[Noodle2502]

You raise excellent points with all of your previous messages. Openness, communication, and honesty is very important in a relationship and can help prevent tragic situations. It isn't necessarily the couples fault so much as society's that they were too shy, reluctant, and afraid to confide with each other about their desires, needs, and so on, as well as some of the difficulties and pressures they face. And yes, despite the terrible things that had to occur, the couples love for each other aren't any inferior to the way they were in the beginning of the story. You could argue that now their relationship is stronger in ways and better prepared to handle situations like these in the future instead of being as innocent, shy, ignorant, naive, etc.

I agree. They are stronger because of it, though "IT" really did a number on them. It's crazy to see what it takes for couples to knock the walls down and let each other in (not that the situation within the game is the ONLY way, or the RIGHT way by that matter). We carry baggage (good, bad, or indifferent) due to both nature and nurture. Nature gives us the ego, nurture informs us on how we ought to us it. And while we can't toss the proverbial "baby out with the bathwater", when considering what we've learned from those who came before us; we also can't take those teachings as universal gospel. Sometimes we have to chart our own course. Take some risk and see what happens. Ultimately, we need to discover what right, happiness, and/ or peace looks like for us, individually. This game had (more so HAS) me deeply considering who I am in relation to my romantic relationship(s). The subject matter has always been in the back of my mind, right alongside deep disgust and pleasure. I still wonder why... Thanks for the reply and discussion.

Question?

Assume you have played your share of NTR/S games, are there any you could recommend that are as thematically deep and has great character development, art, writing, etc.? I feel like I am asking if you know of the game we currently discussing, but this game and conversation makes me want hunt for more experiences. Let's calling it hunting for the NTR/S unicorn, Again.

Thanks in advance if you can think of anything. Have a great evening and Holidays. Peace!

 

[Noodle2502]

Wait , i just read this game review on VNDB , so i wanna ask about this detail:

Spoiler: bed

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I can't recall if this was an element within the game but is not outside of the norm for Japanese couples to sleep in separate beds or even separate rooms. I am not all-knowing when it comes to costumes and tradition, I just looked it up. Though, I wouldn't put it past Aida to recommend that. Dude was freak'n petty (to put it lightly).