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Funny, so many false conclusions from false premises.
First of all, I like the content but I don't like where it's going (or rather, I don't like the lack of any opportunity to influence what's happening).
Now about the unimportant - I basically don't care what the name of this VN is, but if I was guided by the name
I would have passed by because hotwifing is absolutely not interesting to me.
I hope you understood the message correctly.

Аnd finally the subject of the dispute.

That's right, but in these relationships, partners don't stop having relationships with each other. Encouraging your partner to sleep with others is not the same as wearing a chastity belt or licking your partner's pussy after sex with others, and it's certainly not ignoring your partner's desires.

However, I'm more than sure that my arguments won't work on you, because you live somewhere in a parallel reality.)
I defy you to find a definition of hotwifing, that states categorically that wearing a chastity device or licking cum out of your wife's pussy invalidates it as hotwifing. It simply doesn't exist. That's simply the personal choice of people who don't like those things. And if that's what those people want hotwifing to be, well that's perfectly fine. But it doesn't give them the right to dictate to others, what is acceptable and what is not.

I mean are you seriously suggesting that a guy who hotwifes his partner, but also decides to wear a chastity device, is in some way changing the act of hotwifing, into something completely different, simply by encasing his penis in a bit of plastic? It's hotwifing without the chastity device, and it's no less the same thing with it. The only real difference is that you and others object to a guy wearing a chastity device.

And sorry I don't understand what you were saying above. If you don't like hotwifing at all. Why on earth would you play a game called 'My Hotwife' regardless of how accurately or not it covers the subject matter? And why are you even involved in this discussion at all?
 

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Again, that’s not Netorare. Netorare is the “taking of another” against the wishes or unbeknownst to the husband/BF. If he takes sexual gratification watching his wife with another that’s sharing or cuck, not Netorae. Yeah, the tags are all wonky on this site, but Netorare is not cuck in the modern sense. This game is more hotwifing/sharing although, if I remember correctly there is a dude the wife gets it on with where she doesn’t tell the husband. That would be Netorare. They really need to update their tags And make it more clear.
Yeah, there's that one very brief instance, when she kind of does it behind his back. But all the way through, he's acting like he doesn't care, and is extremely excited by the fact she did it anyway. He doesn't get upset, he's just a bit shocked that she's taken that bold step without his imput. His shock lasts literally a few seconds, and after that he's totally ok with it. If it was real netorare, he'd be very upset and jealous, but he doesn't feel any of those emotions. All his reactions to it are positive, which you would expect with netorase rather than netorare.
 
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I defy you to find a definition of hotwifing, that states categorically that wearing a chastity device or licking cum out of your wife's pussy invalidates it as hotwifing. It simply doesn't exist. That's simply the personal choice of people who don't like those things. And if that's what those people want hotwifing to be, well that's perfectly fine. But it doesn't give them the right to dictate to others, what is acceptable and what is not.

I mean are you seriously suggesting that a guy who hotwifes his partner, but also decides to wear a chastity device, is in some way changing the act of hotwifing, into something completely different, simply by encasing his penis in a bit of plastic? It's hotwifing without the chastity device, and it's no less the same thing with it. The only real difference is that you and others object to a guy wearing a chastity device.

And sorry I don't understand what you were saying above. If you don't like hotwifing at all. Why on earth would you play a game called 'My Hotwife' regardless of how accurately or not it covers the subject matter? And why are you even involved in this discussion at all?
This sums it up well and I copied the main point so, no need to click the link unless you just want to read more.


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The main difference is with Hotwifing the husband is the dominant one and there's no emphasis on humiliation. Hotwifing is usually centered around exhibitionism, sharing and swinging. (NTS)

Cuckholding - the wife is dominant and humilation of the husband is the main aspect, which this VN is primarily based on. So, yeah, the title is very misleading for those expecting a pure "Hotwife" game. (NTR)
 
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RAHHH HOW DARE THERE BE NT- Nah I'm kidding, in all seriousness it'd be nice to get it tagged as NTR. It's personally not my cup of tea, but having ntr in my negative search should be enough to filter out this game.
*Edit: If your game has any kind of emphasis on ntr themes or routes, it needs to be tagged. Especially within a shorter game, when in a longer game, there's a bit more lenience available.
 

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Let me remind any of the NTR haters that you can search by excluding NTR and there are over 14k games you can enjoy. This one doesn't have to appeal to you.
No, you can't? It's not tagged (At least for rn). That's the issue. It's the same for furry or for anything else, tag your game.

Being totally honest, my primary beef with NTR games and their devs is that a lot of them just don't tag their games properly. If they did, I wouldn't have to ever see them, as like most people on this site I'd imagine I have a few tags that get blacked out.
 

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This sums it up well and I copied the main point so, no need to click the link unless you just want to read more.


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The main difference is with Hotwifing the husband is the dominant one and there's no emphasis on humiliation. Hotwifing is usually centered around exhibitionism, sharing and swinging. (NTS)

Cuckholding - the wife is dominant and humilation of the husband is the main aspect, which this VN is primarily based on. So, yeah, the title is very misleading for those expecting a pure "Hotwife" game. (NTR)
I found this quote. This clearly states that hotwifing and cucking are not mutually exclusive, and in some instances couples will incorporate both elements into their relationship. This is pretty much what the Dev has done in this game:

Is Hotwifing the Same as Cuckolding or “Cucking?”
Hotwifing and can certainly go hand-in-hand if so desired, but they are, in fact, two different things — and one does not automatically imply the other.

In both cases, however, all the participants involved must be actively consenting to the dynamics and boundaries negotiated before anything happens. In hotwifing scenarios and fantasies, much like in cuckolding fantasies, the hotwife’s primary partner is aroused by the idea of, or seeing and / or watching their hotwife engage with someone else sexually.

In cuckolding fantasies and fetishes, the (a.k.a., “cuck”) is sexually aroused by seeing, watching, and / or knowing their partner is having sex with other people. In these scenarios, often, the “cuck” or cuckold is not even involved in the sex itself other than in a voyeuristic capacity.

In hotwifing, though, the hotwife’s partner is usually involved in elements of the hotwife’s activities, including the preparation of the scenario, communicating with and vetting the hotwife’s other play partner(s), even sometimes in choosing the attire she’ll wear and how she’ll communicate her exploits to him (e.g., via videos, photos) if they’re apart. At times, the hotwife’s partner may also be involved in the sex scene, as well, even if the focus of sexual attention is the hotwife herself.

The masochistic and submissive elements of humiliation (which can also be experienced in other scenarios) are present in cuckolding, in that the cuckold is made to feel humiliated by watching their partner have sex with someone else (either by being physically present or via watching videos / photos of them). The cuck is submissive as their partner is sexually dominated by someone else, and / or their partner is sexually dominating someone else. Their partner and / or the person they’re having sex with may use verbal teasing and humiliation during the sexual experience to make the cuck feel “less than.” For instance, this can include saying the cuck’s penis is small, that he’s not a real man, that he doesn’t know how to fuck his wife / girlfriend / partner properly, etc. The cuck is “forced” (consensually, of course) to watch them and to be shown how it’s really done.

Unlike cuckolding scenarios, masochistic and humiliation elements are not usually present in hotwifing. The hotwife’s main partner is empowered, not humiliated, by their hotwife’s sexual attention and adventures. The “bull” in the hotwife scenario is thought to be aroused by and driven by competitiveness, jealousy (in a healthy way), the idea of (the “Coolidge Effect”), and / or wanting to show off their wife as a “trophy wife,” among other motivations.

Keep in mind that couples who have a hotwifing relationship may also have other kinks, which means that they may also be involved in cuckolding or other practices that fulfill their desires
 
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I found this quote. This clearly states that hotwifing and cucking are not mutually exclusive, and in some instances couples will incorporate both elements into their relationship. This is pretty much what the Dev has done in this game:

Is Hotwifing the Same as Cuckolding or “Cucking?”
Hotwifing and can certainly go hand-in-hand if so desired, but they are, in fact, two different things — and one does not automatically imply the other.

In both cases, however, all the participants involved must be actively consenting to the dynamics and boundaries negotiated before anything happens. In hotwifing scenarios and fantasies, much like in cuckolding fantasies, the hotwife’s primary partner is aroused by the idea of, or seeing and / or watching their hotwife engage with someone else sexually.

In cuckolding fantasies and fetishes, the (a.k.a., “cuck”) is sexually aroused by seeing, watching, and / or knowing their partner is having sex with other people. In these scenarios, often, the “cuck” or cuckold is not even involved in the sex itself other than in a voyeuristic capacity.

In hotwifing, though, the hotwife’s partner is usually involved in elements of the hotwife’s activities, including the preparation of the scenario, communicating with and vetting the hotwife’s other play partner(s), even sometimes in choosing the attire she’ll wear and how she’ll communicate her exploits to him (e.g., via videos, photos) if they’re apart. At times, the hotwife’s partner may also be involved in the sex scene, as well, even if the focus of sexual attention is the hotwife herself.

The masochistic and submissive elements of humiliation (which can also be experienced in other scenarios) are present in cuckolding, in that the cuckold is made to feel humiliated by watching their partner have sex with someone else (either by being physically present or via watching videos / photos of them). The cuck is submissive as their partner is sexually dominated by someone else, and / or their partner is sexually dominating someone else. Their partner and / or the person they’re having sex with may use verbal teasing and humiliation during the sexual experience to make the cuck feel “less than.” For instance, this can include saying the cuck’s penis is small, that he’s not a real man, that he doesn’t know how to fuck his wife / girlfriend / partner properly, etc. The cuck is “forced” (consensually, of course) to watch them and to be shown how it’s really done.

Unlike cuckolding scenarios, masochistic and humiliation elements are not usually present in hotwifing. The hotwife’s main partner is empowered, not humiliated, by their hotwife’s sexual attention and adventures. The “bull” in the hotwife scenario is thought to be aroused by and driven by competitiveness, jealousy (in a healthy way), the idea of (the “Coolidge Effect”), and / or wanting to show off their wife as a “trophy wife,” among other motivations.

Keep in mind that couples who have a hotwifing relationship may also have other kinks, which means that they may also be involved in cuckolding or other practices that fulfill their desires
That summarises perfectly what I've trying to say to this guy! Good job, also the blue part is top notch and again 100% true.
He tells us we are so focused on what the term actually means that we CAN'T understand that not every couple is the same (no shit Sherlock). The thing that he doesn't want to understand, is that several sexual practices can be used and implanted in a couple. The primary idea of Hotwifing is sharing his wife/ her husband and finding pleasure in it. Everything else that crosses the way of it, goes in it respective category.


With all that talk, I'm sure he'll come back and tells us how uninformed we are and that he's right all along.
 

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Funny, so many false conclusions from false premises.
First of all, I like the content but I don't like where it's going (or rather, I don't like the lack of any opportunity to influence what's happening).
Now about the unimportant - I basically don't care what the name of this VN is, but if I was guided by the name
I would have passed by because hotwifing is absolutely not interesting to me.
I hope you understood the message correctly.

Аnd finally the subject of the dispute.

That's right, but in these relationships, partners don't stop having relationships with each other. Encouraging your partner to sleep with others is not the same as wearing a chastity belt or licking your partner's pussy after sex with others, and it's certainly not ignoring your partner's desires.

However, I'm more than sure that my arguments won't work on you, because you live somewhere in a parallel reality.)
maybe they're actually the dev and thats why he dont (want to) get it
 

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maybe they're actually the dev and thats why he dont (want to) get it
That could explain a lot! Or he's just experiencing the game in real life and doesn't like us telling what and how things really are.

If it's the case, to everyone involved in this kind of sexual practice, it's okay, we don't judge you and you do what makes you happy but at least you should be honest about certain things.
 
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I love F95 — the perfect place to hate on the dev and dump on him every single day. What's wrong with you guys. If you like my game, play it. If you don't, block this thread and forget about this game. Easy
Well, so far I know and understand we are having a conversation here. We don't dump on the dev, just making things straight. Your game took a turn into something that is far beyond hotwifing, at least be honest about it lol. Your protagonist is a sissy cuckold who likes to be humiliated. His wife herself things he's pathetic, what do we got wrong here lol.

Also, without being dramatic, you had the opportunity to make something really nice, that many could enjoy, creating several paths and such. Your game went from hotwifing to humiliation in the blink of an eye. This is not hatred or anything, this is constructive criticism. I draw a hentai myself, the first 4 chapters are NTR and lead to a love story with the MC after that. If anyone would make comments about my manga, I'd take it into consideration.

Plus, do not worry, I uninstalled the game shortly after lol. But this doesn't prevent me from having discussions with others about it. Don't like it, that's on you if you cannot handle criticism. Anyways, I salute you for your work and encourage you to keep going. Do what makes you happy, but keep in mind, that any creator is subjective to criticism, if you like it or not. We are not being disrespectful, we are just pointing out certain aspects of the game itself.
 

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That could explain a lot! Or he's just experiencing the game in real life and doesn't like us telling what and how things really are.

If it's the case, to everyone involved in this kind of sexual practice, it's okay, we don't judge you and you do what makes you happy but at least you should be honest about certain things.
for real its better that way to be honest, were all degenerates just different types.
 
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for real its better that way to be honest, were all degenerates just different types.
Absolutely, being honest and making things clear how they're is in my opinion more worth then turning around the pot all the fucking time. I agree highly about the degenerate thing, we all enjoy sex and things related to it. All kind of different styles, likes and needs. If we were all the same, it'd get pretty boring very fast lol
 

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I love F95 — the perfect place to hate on the dev and dump on him every single day. What's wrong with you guys. If you like my game, play it. If you don't, block this thread and forget about this game. Easy
You should focus more on your patreon than people here - 351 supporters in 2 years is a solid numbers. Many devs can't even reach 40, and they are much longer in this industry than you. So who is the winner and who is the loser?

Make poll for your supporters on patreon, ask them if they like what you do, if they want more of x or y content and maybe something new etc. Don't waste a time here for meaningless conversations
 

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You should focus more on your patreon than people here - 351 supporters in 2 years is a solid numbers. Many devs can't even reach 40, and they are much longer in this industry than you. So who is the winner and who is the loser?

Make poll for your supporters on patreon, ask them if they like what you do, if they want more of x or y content and maybe something new etc. Don't waste a time here for meaningless conversations
Yeah, buddy, thanks. Honestly, I already know exactly what my patrons on Patreon want — that’s exactly why there’s been such rapid growth in such a short time. If someone likes what I do, they pay, they show appreciation, and that motivates me to keep going. I rarely visit F95, but sometimes I’m amazed by certain commenters who try to tell me how to make my game without ever paying a cent. Of course, I focus exclusively on those who actually donate — they’re the ones funding this game, and only they have the right to influence it. The funny thing is, I’ve run polls, and the answer is always more or less the same: “Dev, make your game the way you see fit. We love your game — don’t listen to anyone else.
 

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Yeah, buddy, thanks. Honestly, I already know exactly what my patrons on Patreon want — that’s exactly why there’s been such rapid growth in such a short time. If someone likes what I do, they pay, they show appreciation, and that motivates me to keep going. I rarely visit F95, but sometimes I’m amazed by certain commenters who try to tell me how to make my game without ever paying a cent. Of course, I focus exclusively on those who actually donate — they’re the ones funding this game, and only they have the right to influence it. The funny thing is, I’ve run polls, and the answer is always more or less the same: “Dev, make your game the way you see fit. We love your game — don’t listen to anyone else.
so you have your answer - do your job like you always do and don't ask questions. That's what your patreons expecting.

You should also consider cross-promotions from time to time with other big devs of NTR/NTS avns, it could help promote your game even more.
 
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Yeah, buddy, thanks. Honestly, I already know exactly what my patrons on Patreon want — that’s exactly why there’s been such rapid growth in such a short time. If someone likes what I do, they pay, they show appreciation, and that motivates me to keep going. I rarely visit F95, but sometimes I’m amazed by certain commenters who try to tell me how to make my game without ever paying a cent. Of course, I focus exclusively on those who actually donate — they’re the ones funding this game, and only they have the right to influence it. The funny thing is, I’ve run polls, and the answer is always more or less the same: “Dev, make your game the way you see fit. We love your game — don’t listen to anyone else.
Listen bud, here's were you're wrong on all levels. You say you don't listen to people just because their don't pay you? What fucked up mentality is that?!
It's like music nowadays, I'm highly invested in vinyl records, I've over 3500+- records and I play music everyday. I usually don't buy today's music, because it sucks, not all but generally. Back in the days, people made music because their loved it, felt it and people gladly followed and invested in them. Nowadays, it's almost all about the money and we can clearly see that the artists won't have the same recognition after their career ended and they gonna go down the rag and be forgotten. If your goal is just to make money without caring for others that might or not might enjoy what you're doing, it's very wrong. You've a very limited fan base, if you'd care for what people say/ think that don't invest in your work, you could reach even more people and most importantly, make more money which is apparently your main goal here.
 
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Listen bud, here's were you're wrong on all levels. You say you don't listen to people just because their don't pay you? What fucked up mentality is that?!
It's like music nowadays, I'm highly invested in vinyl records, I've over 3500+- records and I play music everyday. I usually don't buy today's music, because it sucks, not all but generally. Back in the days, people made music because their loved it, felt it and people gladly followed and invested in them. Nowadays, it's almost all about the money and we can clearly see that the artists won't have the same recognition after their career ended and they gonna go down the rag and be forgotten. If your goal is just to make money without caring for others that might or not might enjoy what you're doing, it's very wrong. You've a very limited fan base, if you'd care for what people say/ think that don't invest in your work, you could reach even more people and most importantly, make more money which is apparently your main goal here.
No, buddy, it’s you who doesn’t get it. I love what I do, and I love this specific genre. I could make a game for a broader audience — say, about lesbians, which almost everyone likes. But there are thousands of games like that, and mine would just get lost in the crowd. I work in my own niche. There are far fewer cuckold-themed games, and mine is considered one of the best in this genre. You might disagree, but I don’t care — I listen to my patrons and adore them for their support, both financial and moral. I’m making a project I truly love. That’s it. So it’s completely pointless to tell me how I “should” make my game. Sure, I’ll probably never make huge money in this niche, but I’m doing what really excites me. And like I said above — I have neither the time nor the desire to argue about this or read yet another pile of crap about what a “stupid” developer I am. I’m off to work on the new update.
 

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No, buddy, it’s you who doesn’t get it. I love what I do, and I love this specific genre. I could make a game for a broader audience — say, about lesbians, which almost everyone likes. But there are thousands of games like that, and mine would just get lost in the crowd. I work in my own niche. There are far fewer cuckold-themed games, and mine is considered one of the best in this genre. You might disagree, but I don’t care — I listen to my patrons and adore them for their support, both financial and moral. I’m making a project I truly love. That’s it. So it’s completely pointless to tell me how I “should” make my game. Sure, I’ll probably never make huge money in this niche, but I’m doing what really excites me. And like I said above — I have neither the time nor the desire to argue about this or read yet another pile of crap about what a “stupid” developer I am. I’m off to work on the new update.
Chiiiiiill bro, no-one said you're stupid. Lol
All we said and the discussion started with your game being the "hotwife" theme which is clearly not in the long run. So you're misleading your probable audience, people like me and others, your game started really nice, I give you credit for that. But it goes so in debt in the cuckold branch that you lost me between the lines. All I said is, if you would listen to people like me and others ( and I don't mean that you've to change your game or your orientation, if you cannot comprehend that, it's on you) and implant several routes, like for exemple that the MC isn't only a pathetic cuck and would have some sort of relationship with his wife, you would touch a much higher audience. People could have the choice and it'd not be such a bad thing, if you don't get that, it's on you again. You know, having the choice to make things different while still having the core idea of the game, which is Hotwifing would be a great idea. The fact that you love what you do is great, congrats to you on that.

All we say and we never said you SHOULD, is putting a bit more effort and giving people the choice. This would make your game stand out even more. Sure you're probably one of the few that goes so in depth in the cuckold branch but then maybe changing the name of the game would be more appropriate. I don't know if you've read every single comment, but I told before that I've my experiences in sharing with couples, ex girlfriend and such. The core idea when I played your game intrigued me but the more I advanced in the story, the less captivating it became and I'm for sure not the only one.

The game called " exploring the big apple" is a good exemple of that, I played all routes, the cheating, the cuckold and the sharing and I absolutely loved that. The game gave me the choice and even if I'm not into submission, I played it because I wanted to see how the dev put creativity by keeping and making the game exciting.

I appreciate at least the time you take to answer, you should do this kind of thing more often with your audience, even with those that don't pay, we are all humans after all, not a wallet. Sure paying customers have the right to say but what others might have in mind isn't such a bad thing either. Cause in the long run, those could be potential customers too.

Have a great one and have fun in the creation of the new update, but please for the love of God, don't take every single bit of criticism as a bad thing, it's constructive. It makes us grow.
 
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Yeah, buddy, thanks. Honestly, I already know exactly what my patrons on Patreon want — that’s exactly why there’s been such rapid growth in such a short time. If someone likes what I do, they pay, they show appreciation, and that motivates me to keep going. I rarely visit F95, but sometimes I’m amazed by certain commenters who try to tell me how to make my game without ever paying a cent. Of course, I focus exclusively on those who actually donate — they’re the ones funding this game, and only they have the right to influence it. The funny thing is, I’ve run polls, and the answer is always more or less the same: “Dev, make your game the way you see fit. We love your game — don’t listen to anyone else.
That's the thing that a lot of people on this site often don't get. Devs make content primarily for their patrons, the people who support them financially. This should be obvious, but for some reason, some people just don't see it, and therefore they're often bemused as to why the Dev often concentrates on making a certain type of content that they don't like. Also that Devs mainly like that kind of content themselves, and one of the biggest motivating factors of making a game at all, is doing something that you enjoy anyway. As is making content for people who actually appreciate what you do, and aren't constantly moaning about what they're not getting.

I play a lot of games on this site, and I'm still waiting for the perfect game, the one that satisfies all my needs. And I'm fairly certain at this point, that I will never find it. Some games will get close, but they'll always fall short of including all the content I'd like. There's only really one way to guarantee that. And that's to make it yourself. And I reckon that's what most Devs do, they make the games that they would have liked to play (or at least that's the intention).
 
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