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It should be clear though, people like myself who are putting across our views of why Vivian did what she did, trying to explain what we think was going through her head and how she justifies it to herself, how she was manipulated into it, etc... we are not saying it makes Vivian innocent or good, or her actions justified or forgiveable. It doesn't mean that we think she has done the right thing. It's a terrible thing that she did, no matter how you paint it.

Personally though, I don't think we're anywhere near the point of Vivian being "for the streets". I don't think we've seen anything from her that tells us she's broken the dam, and now she's going to go out and try to get (different) cock wherever she can find it. If this were a real-life story, if Hutch and Vivian were people in your circle of friends, for instance, you probably wouldn't be saying that Vivian is now going to go and fuck that mechanic, or that student - she's having an affair with Christian, and at the moment that's it.
I appreciate healthy discussion and the exchange of idea and options.
As such my personal belief on her actions place her surely into the streets. Any spouse who would actively and repeatedly betray their other half, and then continuously lie about it! Come on, who would want to live with that (unless that's your kink).
But yes, this is only a game, and we are incorporating real life responses to porn game logic.

I also like to think that after all her cheating (which is a failure to start with), every time Hutch was asking her about what happened, he was testing her to see if there was a chance for their relationship. When he feigned ignorance with the bathroom scene he was again testing her. As a final test he offered the open relationship, with the angry caveat of "do it or don't do it", she failed once more.
So after 22 years of being a wife, she is a failure. Come on Hutch you know what to do, and where to send her :)

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The thing that angers me the most for some reason, was that one line and all it stood for:
v: "Anything you want"
That there is where the whole crux of the story so far boils down to. By her own words... she is now Christian's bitch.

I hated the whole home scene afterwards, because it's the only time it weakened Hutch in my eyes. He should have stood his ground and prevents any signs of affection - even if the whole scene played out the same.
lets see how he behaves in the next update.
 

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I hated the whole home scene afterwards, because it's the only time it weakened Hutch in my eyes. He should have stood his ground and prevents any signs of affection - even if the whole scene played out the same.
lets see how he behaves in the next update.
Agreed, his actions by holding her hand and the hug at the end basically gives her the ok to continue, its like she didnt even hear his comment of "do it or dont, its up to you". She even gets excited when offering that Hutch come with to watch, she knows this is tearing him apart, how will him having to endure another night of listening to her acting like a whore going to help that at all?

The thing that angers me the most for some reason, was that one line and all it stood for:
v: "Anything you want"
That there is where the whole crux of the story so far boils down to. By her own words... she is now Christian's bitch.
This pissed me off too, but outside after she doesnt even remember what she said in the bathroom and asks the boss, I think once she gets a hold of a cock she loses all inhibition, probably what happened in the backyard, he just whipped it out and her inner whore took over. What pisses me off more is Hutch promising that they will be ok no matter what she does.
 

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I always liked this scene. It's just a teacher flashing a smile to a student but not many games go out of their way to show something mundane like this. Obviously we can infer a lot more from it, especially since she cheers for him loudly after this scene, which makes it even better.
but is it? I said nod but it was more of a shake of the head to signal not now not a good time can't be disturbed.
anyway, it just me wanting to stir the debate lol can't wait for the update
 

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JoeBlogs as always love the thoughts on that interpretation. seems like you did play the kn quite a few times like me(i was just trying to get screenshots but was just going through it all). the code talk scene is the culmination of the whole update.... like if you are nitpicking the various dialogue and reactions and emotions yes most would automatically come to that same conclusion. this kn invokes those reactions from the reader. was talking about other theories as well with dealbreaker which kinda align with your interpretation. and on the flip side have to say that tony's views are purely based on game logic(not porn) i assume since he has been reviewing quite a few kn/vn. dunno the right word for this ... objective/subjective/dethatched.

probably what happened in the backyard, he just whipped it out and her inner whore took over. What pisses me off more is Hutch promising that they will be ok no matter what she does.
it wouldn't be the same if we knew from the get go what transpired in the backyard. the promise that hutch makes i dont think it will be fulfilled unless he is the cigarette man planning a way to get back at christian.

The thing that angers me the most for some reason, was that one line and all it stood for:
v: "Anything you want"
That there is where the whole crux of the story so far boils down to. By her own words... she is now Christian's bitch.
i think you are not really angry at that dialogue more so than the lead up to it where she fumbles between i and we and the way the whole self monologue she tells herself that nothing will happen. that whole last part of the dialogue just didn't feel right at all... like a cliffhanger for more ominous things to come.
 
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the issue here isnt really with the wife anymore , she is a hoe. hutch knows it well everyone knows it lol. the issue is with hutch and what he plans to do or does he simply take the abuse .. no one really has a clue what his role will be or if he will seek vengance or accept being hutchy McCucky.. once his intentions are revealed then it will be very interesting.
 
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once his intentions are revealed then it will be very interesting.
once we figure that out don't think the ending will be a mystery seeing as there so many theories already. those crucial missing information with decide the ending. like addison's role. hutch's reactions to 2nd and 3rd update's events. and vivian's past if any that the dev is gonna reveal in the coming updates.
ps: almost forgot... the reason for the loss of the accounts.
 
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A Key part may be when the Dev reveal's what happened in the bedroom.... I thought he mentioned that would happen
after "substantial project" vivian undertook in the backyard do we really need a explanation as to what went on in the bedroom (hint:lot clapping) we just didn't see it doesnt mean the noises and the shadow play were fake... at least that how hutch felt from his reactions.
 

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I think Addison is going to find out who she is. Maybe a backstory will be revealed that Christian was and still is sleeping with her mother. Addison will see an opportunity to get even. Maybe something happened to her father and she doesn't want the same thing to happen to Hutch.
 

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Some claim the "do it don't do it" part to be a test, but that's obviously not the case here.
Vivian tried to escape from the currrent situation by suggesting to move out of town and to make a fresh start.
This is a fact.
Now why would Hutch want her to work with Christian again and let her help with the little project, when Vivian already confessed and passed the testing if Hutch would have ever tested her?!

Hutch has only one job at work that is to keep account of the little project.
This is a fact
So why would he stay longer in the office after the bathroom scene, when the little project didn't even start yet?!
There might be more to that.
With the little project being his only task at work he can't afford to lose that.
This is the reason why he needs Vivian to work on the project!

Christian got called or texted by Vivian as we could clearly hear him saying to Hutch in the office "Tell your wife you're on your way home".
Waiting outside of the office for Hutch who took his time to finish whatever he was doing there,
Christian's only intention was to mindplay Hutch further on the parking lot to keep him on track.
(A man sacrifices himself...puts his family above himself...someone who will make the hard choices...Sacrifice. That's what love is really about...Go home, show your wife how much you love her...)
This is the reason why Hutch allows Vivian to work with Christian!

Hutch lied 2x times to Vivian during their talking code!
He didn't mentioned to Vivian that he would also getting something out of it when she helps Christian on the little project.
(Keeping his job with the same salary as before)
He also lied by denying that he and Christian had a talk after the bathroom scene.
 
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after "substantial project" vivian undertook in the backyard do we really need a explanation as to what went on in the bedroom (hint:lot clapping) we just didn't see it doesnt mean the noises and the shadow play were fake... at least that how hutch felt from his reactions.
Before the clapping Hutch was leaning against the door and he heard them unclearly talking for a while before he head back to the couch.
This would be the interesting part to reveal!
 
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Some claim the "do it don't do it" part to be a test, but that's obviously not the case here.
Vivian tried to escape from the currrent situation by suggesting to move out of town and to make a fresh start.
This is a fact.
Now why would Hutch want her to work with Christian again and let her help with the little project, when Vivian already confessed and passed the testing if Hutch would have ever tested her?!
I respect your opinion, and I can see what your interpretation is attempting to say, but I don't agree.
Vivian's attempt to escape is just a shallow attempt to deal with her guilt. At this stage she knows that Hutch knows practically everything, and this is her last ditch to seam like she is on his side. At any stage... any stage... she could have put her foot down and said "no i wont do it"! It's her body, her choice after all. But after guzzling down a gallon of Christian's jizz, she chooses to be his cum slut, and not her husband's well being.
She failed every test. From the moment she let Christian's dick into her body onward. Every time she cheated and lied about it, even when given the chance to come clean... she failed Badly!
And when did she confess to Hutch? Did we play the same game?

Hutch has only one job at work that is to keep account of the little project.
This is a fact
So why would he stay longer in the office after the bathroom scene, when the little project didn't even start yet?!
There might be more to that.
With the little project being his only task at work he can't afford to lose that.
This is the reason why he needs Vivian to work on the project!
I don't think you are representing Hutch's job new roll correctly at all. At no stage did the boss tell Hutch he would be keeping account of Vivian. From my take, he will be dealing more with the numbers (ie: financial), and less with customer liaison (ie: sales). Vivian mentioned she will help via Hutch, but she mentioned this to Christian after the bathroom. Hutch technically has not been informed about any of that conversation by the boss.
And please, the only reason Vivian needs to work on the project is so Christian can keep fucking her, while "keeping Hutch's job". Such an unbelievable pretense, it's laughable.

Christian got called or texted by Vivian as we could clearly hear him saying to Hutch in the office "Tell your wife you're on your way home".
Waiting outside of the office for Hutch who took his time to finish whatever he was doing there,
Christian's only intention was to mindplay Hutch further on the parking lot to keep him on track.
(A man sacrifices himself...puts his family above himself...someone who will make the hard choices...Sacrifice. That's what love is really about...Go home, show your wife how much you love her...)
This is the reason why Hutch allows Vivian to work with Christian!
Hutch was in no hurry to go home and face his filthy ,lying, cheating, cum dumpster of a wife. He was prolonging it by staying in the office. Christian was a bit nervous at this stage because he knows that Hutch knows everything, and is unsure on how far he has pushed his luck. But he is a master manipulator, and at this stage, Hutch is so broken (tHanKs vIviAn!), any suggestion is going to be more impactful. If Christian told him the way out was to walk in front of oncoming traffic, he just might have done it.

Hutch lied 2x times to Vivian during their talking code!
He didn't mentioned to Vivian that he would also getting something out of it when she helps Christian on the little project.
(Keeping his job with the same salary as before)
He also lied by denying that he and Christian had a talk after the bathroom scene.
Hutch is playing Vivian's game. She has been lying to his face non-stop, why the fuck should he be any different at this stage. He is defeated at this point, his wife, the woman that is supposed to be on his side, is practically his antagonist, aiding his bully. They are not a team, at least I cant see it. Both are lying to themselves and each other, and it is all her fault.
 

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A Key part may be when the Dev reveal's what happened in the bedroom.... I thought he mentioned that would happen
I feel the bedroom scene was Christian trying to convince her to fuck she declined cause hutch was there and Christian told her it didn't stop you outside why should this be any different. she just gave in.
 

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Some claim the "do it don't do it" part to be a test, but that's obviously not the case here.
Vivian tried to escape from the currrent situation by suggesting to move out of town and to make a fresh start.
This is a fact.
Now why would Hutch want her to work with Christian again and let her help with the little project, when Vivian already confessed and passed the testing if Hutch would have ever tested her?!

Hutch has only one job at work that is to keep account of the little project.
This is a fact
So why would he stay longer in the office after the bathroom scene, when the little project didn't even start yet?!
There might be more to that.
With the little project being his only task at work he can't afford to lose that.
This is the reason why he needs Vivian to work on the project!

Christian got called or texted by Vivian as we could clearly hear him saying to Hutch in the office "Tell your wife you're on your way home".
Waiting outside of the office for Hutch who took his time to finish whatever he was doing there,
Christian's only intention was to mindplay Hutch further on the parking lot to keep him on track.
(A man sacrifices himself...puts his family above himself...someone who will make the hard choices...Sacrifice. That's what love is really about...Go home, show your wife how much you love her...)
This is the reason why Hutch allows Vivian to work with Christian!

Hutch lied 2x times to Vivian during their talking code!
He didn't mentioned to Vivian that he would also getting something out of it when she helps Christian on the little project.
(Keeping his job with the same salary as before)
He also lied by denying that he and Christian had a talk after the bathroom scene.
you are getting confusing the sequence of events of the flow of event...
1. regarding the "do it don't do it" he get angry and says let me be the man of the house for once.... then he uses that statement. keeping the flawed logic of vivian aside, hutch kept testing her since the start... if you dont think asking all those specific questions and vivian lying about them all especially the part where he tells vivian he didn't sleep that night and even then she lies... after so many lies how can hutch believe her. so i dont think that... but you interpretation seems confused to me.... as you arent looking at the whole update and how its respective scene connect with each other.
2. we only know what christian tells in the story about hutch's job.. now a fact we all know christian is compulsive liar and uses the lies and manipulations to get what he wants. so how can anyone assume that only 2 specific accounts are lost and not the rest. if it is even hutch's fault.
3. the talk between hutch and christian is clear manipulation as this was a consequence of vivian and christian talking in the carpark and then when he went back to the office he was behind hutch when vivian was messaging hutch(not christian which you are saying). so again i say you interpretation is confused/confusing.
4. how can it be a lie when vivian was the one talking about hutch keeping his job with christian in the bathroom. and there is no talk about the job between hutch and christian. hutch lied about talking to christian but not about the job. and in retrospect after all days of lying and acts of cheating 1 lie is like single water drop in the ocean.
Before the clapping Hutch was leaning against the door and he heard them unclearly talking for a while before he head back to the couch.
again you are confusing the sequence of event.... just play the game a few more time and you won't be confused as to which came first(the chicken or the egg)

I respect your opinion, and I can see what your interpretation is attempting to say, but I don't agree.
gattsu is confusing the sequence of event so his interpretations is getting warped cos of that... that how is see it from his post. and nice post way more clear than my lost in translation thoughts. (y)

I feel the bedroom scene was Christian trying to convince her to fuck she declined cause hutch was there and Christian told her it didn't stop you outside why should this be any different. she just gave in.
there is conversation between vivian and christian about the bedroom scene... don't remember which day its from... vivian say you didn't have to go caveman. dunno what that meant.... just my thoughts regarding the bedroom noises(which sounded like talking ...initially) the convo about vivian bunking with christian also can be seen as vivian's fault even from the gameplay perspective.
 
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again you are confusing the sequence of event.... just play the game a few more time and you won't be confused as to which came first(the chicken or the egg)
Are you nuts?
He sat on the couch when the bedroom lights went off. He walked to the bedroom door, tried to open the door which was locked.
Still in front of the door he listened to some talk noises. After some time he went back to the couch and minutes later the banging began!

day02 line 3221 door is locked he hears talking noises
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day02 line 3257 the clapping began
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think we should deescalate before this goes any further... lets just leave it at agree to disagree and move on with our different opinions.
 
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Before the clapping Hutch was leaning against the door and he heard them unclearly talking for a while before he head back to the couch.
This would be the interesting part to reveal!
Are you nuts?
He tried to open the door to the bedroom which was locked.
Then he sat in front of the door and listened to some talk noises. After some time he went back to the couch and minutes later the banging began!
check again... but i dont think ill continue this debate anymore.
 

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JoeBlogs!
Tiszteletben tartom a véleményét, és látom, hogy az értelmezése mit akar mondani, de nem értek egyet.
Vivian szökési kísérlete csak egy sekélyes kísérlet a bűntudat kezelésére.

I don't agree with you on that. Vivien really wanted to go and move out, but the husband is such an idiot that he allows himself to be influenced. Chris won't let them move out as he has a plan for the married couple. That's why she tells her husband all kinds of things to manipulate him. Even at the end of the dinner, he made sure that they stay, if they didn't, he would have fired the husband the next morning. And Vivien knew this too, that's why she sacrificed herself. And moving away would have been redemption for Vivien. No matter what anyone says, Vivien loves her husband very much, but falling into her own trap will be difficult for her to climb out of. Between Christian and Vivien, a maximum of only physical contact can develop, only sex. The scene in the parking lot wasn't about the emotions, whether Vivien likes her or not, but only about the physical relationship, Christian can manipulate that too. Many couples have been ruined, but our couple will be filled by Christian. Dev wrote:
It is an NTR story that focuses on a long-term married couple who suddenly fell into a love triangle. It's a darker, emotional kind of story. It's also a KN, so there are no more paths and nothing to "avoid".
 

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check again... but i dont think ill continue this debate anymore.
I checked and I must say that you are completly out of content here.

Christian and Vivian went into the bedroom. Christian locked the door.
Hutch was sitting on the couch.
The lights in the bedroom went off. Hutch walked to the bedroom door.
You hear talking noises while Hutch tries to open the bedroom door.
Hutch standing with his back at the door. Still talking noises to hear.
Hutch walks to another door and sees the guest room.
Hutch walks back to the couch.
Around 22:20 o'clock Hutch lies on the couch and sees moving shadows.
He stands up from the couch, is walking to the bedroom door and hears moaning sounds.

You and Joe should really focus on the content and not just admire those beautiful renders!
 
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