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I appreciate healthy discussion and the exchange of idea and options.
As such my personal belief on her actions place her surely into the streets. Any spouse who would actively and repeatedly betray their other half, and then continuously lie about it! Come on, who would want to live with that (unless that's your kink).

So after 22 years of being a wife, she is a failure. Come on Hutch you know what to do, and where to send her :)
I think there was some misunderstanding with this bit. When someone (Hatty, I think?) said she was for the streets, I interpreted that as "she's going to essentially become a prostitute" - or not that far, perhaps, but basically meaning she was going to start sleeping with everyone. From your comment here, I now take it as meaning Hutch should/would throw her out.

I agree with that personally, but I think Hutch would not do it (or at least not yet). After 22 years of marriage, and who knows how many years before that, it's not as easy to just let go, and Hutch is already showing the signs of that.
check again... but i dont think ill continue this debate anymore.
He's right though, Hutch listens at the door after checking and finding it was locked, and he hears them talking. Then, a little while later, the sex noises (and silhouettes) start up.
 

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I have just read through the description again. There is one point that has not yet been touched on.
Jealousy. Who or what will she be jealous of? Addison? Of the uninhibited sex that she can only have at Christian's request?
Do we know 100% that christian is single? In the house at the first meeting he says that he is missing someone else in the house, but we know that he likes to lie? On all the material luxuries?
 
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I checked and I must say that you are completly out of content here.

Christian and Vivian went into the bedroom. Christian locked the door.
Hutch was sitting on the couch.
The lights in the bedroom went off. Hutch walked to the bedroom door.
You hear talking noises while Hutch tries to open the bedroom door.
Hutch standing with his back at the door. Still talking noises to hear.
Hutch walks to another door and sees the guest room.
Hutch walks back to the couch.
Around 22:20 o'clock Hutch lies on the couch and sees moving shadows.
He stands up from the couch, is walking to the bedroom door and hears moaning sounds.

You and Joe should really focus on the content and not just admire those beautiful renders!
I'm curious what was the original debate here cause I'm lost lol
 

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I'm curious what was the original debate here cause I'm lost lol
Gattsu mentioned that Hutch heard talking through the bedroom door before Christian and Vivian started fucking > Hatty disputed this > Gattsu provided screenshots and a play-by-play to confirm it > Hatty said to deescalate, stop talking about it and move on, agree to disagree, etc. :LOL:
 
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Gattsu mentioned that Hutch heard talking through the bedroom door before Christian and Vivian started fucking > Hatty disputed this > Gattsu provided screenshots and a play-by-play to confirm it > Hatty said to deescalate, stop talking about it and move on, agree to disagree, etc. :LOL:
Well that escalated rather quickly lol
 

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Gattsu mentioned that Hutch heard talking through the bedroom door before Christian and Vivian started fucking > Hatty disputed this > Gattsu provided screenshots and a play-by-play to confirm it > Hatty said to deescalate, stop talking about it and move on, agree to disagree, etc. :LOL:
Well it started by Hatty saying
after "substantial project" vivian undertook in the backyard do we really need a explanation as to what went on in the bedroom (hint:lot clapping) we just didn't see it doesnt mean the noises and the shadow play were fake... at least that how hutch felt from his reactions.
Trying to enlighten him that there were talking noises before the clapping Hatty like Joe accused me of playing the wrong game or better to play the game again.

DEV said it's beside the backyard the base of his story!
 
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If you had played the game you would now know why we saw these scenes through the view of Hutch!
Man I like your passion, no irony.
It's just sentences starting with "Dev said" - you are certainly giving him his due glory as an author sitting over us running around in the maze he designed. I myself see the fiction rather a bit more independent from it's author. I don't care so much what he said or how he sees his creatures.
 

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Just sometimes people mix reality into some given scenes and claim to know what a drawn character is thinking.
The basis for all of us should be the written text. No one should go AGAINST that text (errors can happen to anybody of course). But of course these words can be interpreted in order to draw conclusions regarding the inner worlds of the characters. And we all have to use "reality" as you call it, meaning our life experiences etc. in order to make those conclusions. It doesn't work any other way (so we always "mix" reality iinto it in order to makd sense of it, you do it too). But as I said, one shouldn't deliberately ignore or dismiss or falsly quote something which is in the text. But I haven't seen anybody do this here, to be honest, but I could be wrong.
And take of course the pictures: they are even more open to interpretation of course than text. How you read faces totally depends on your own experiences.
 

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I told you so - You'll soon be arguing about whose interpretation is the best.
It's fantastic that KN evokes such emotions - I even wrote about it. The level of (our) commitment is amazing - rarely seen in a book or movie [anyway... maybe it was like that in the past, when novels were published in serials in newspapers (e.g. Dumas's The 3 Musketeers) and readers had to wait for the sequels]
However, we must maintain a certain level of conversation that corresponds to the quality of the story :)

To cool down emotions - SC Stories should give us some content to tear into :)
[the scene from the pub is very good, but very anonymous]
 
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The basis for all of us should be the written text. No one should go AGAINST that text (errors can happen to anybody of course).
We can talk about it :)
only the narrator's text is impartial (should be) - everything else is open to interpretation :) (apart from the obvious fact)
 

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The basis for all of us should be the written text. No one should go AGAINST that text (errors can happen to anybody of course). But of course these words can be interpreted in order to draw conclusions regarding the inner worlds of the characters. And we all have to use "reality" as you call it, meaning our life experiences etc. in order to make those conclusions. It doesn't work any other way (so we always "mix" reality iinto it in order to makd sense of it, you do it too). But as I said, one shouldn't deliberately ignore or dismiss or falsly quote something which is in the text. But I haven't seen anybody do this here, to be honest, but I could be wrong.
And take of course the pictures: they are even more open to interpretation of course than text. How you read faces totally depends on your own experiences.
Absolute right about the written text but before someone draws conclusion one should ask questions!

I just don't know why nobody sees that during the talking code that Hutch is the only one playing a game here right now!
The dialog text hints about their current state (frustrated, cry, angry,...).
Yet people say he's testing although Vivian already confessed, was binded to talking code because Hutch claimed to know nothing about what she wanted to talk to him and she also suggested to leave town together.

Why is Hutch now playing a game and wants her to help on the little project and work for Christian instead of agreeing to move to another city with Vivian and leave all things behind them?
Why does Hutch gets angry and frustrated as soon as Vivian is against that wish from Hutch or questions his motives?
Why does he begins to lie and put himself on the same stage as the others? It doesn't represent his character!
We see Vivian's state when she talks to herself while Hutch flees in their bathroom upstairs, but we got locked out from Hutch state while he was in the bathroom! Why?
 
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We can talk about it :)
Yes, with "against" I just meant claiming the text is something else than how it is written or deliberately omitting it OR WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT: claiming your interpretation IS the text and IS what the author had in mind (this could be something for Gattsu to chew upon... just saying).
What it "means" and how we react to it is something totally different.
 
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Gattsu mentioned that Hutch heard talking through the bedroom door before Christian and Vivian started fucking > Hatty disputed this > Gattsu provided screenshots and a play-by-play to confirm it > Hatty said to deescalate, stop talking about it and move on, agree to disagree, etc. :LOL:
thats the wrong start actually... it started with packard's comment about the dev gonna show us what happened in the bedroom. and guttsu being enthusiastic took it in a whole other direction to what was intended. don't want to add fuel to the fire so i felt this would be the outcome. i didn't dispute that there was a conversation happening but about dev might have intentionally not shown us what was talked about in the bedroom.

I told you so - You'll soon be arguing about whose interpretation is the best.
It's fantastic that KN evokes such emotions - I even wrote about it. The level of (our) commitment is amazing - rarely seen in a book or movie [anyway... maybe it was like that in the past, when novels were published in serials in newspapers (e.g. Dumas's The 3 Musketeers) and readers had to wait for the sequels]
However, we must maintain a certain level of conversation that corresponds to the quality of the story :)

To cool down emotions - SC Stories should give us some content to tear into :)
[the scene from the pub is very good, but very anonymous]
i am against getting more sneak peaks as the more we learn about the next update the less of an impact it will have... even though i would like more sneak peeks i would opposed for a better read when the next update releases.
He's right though, Hutch listens at the door after checking and finding it was locked, and he hears them talking. Then, a little while later, the sex noises (and silhouettes) start up.
if you have read what i wrote which all started with packard saying about the bedroom scene you will understand. in regards to where guttsu dragged the top to... regarding hutch leaning agisnt the door....guttsu is right. having said that.... the direction of the topic he focused on is wrong. and he was relentless about the topic i wasnt even trying to talk about which is the dev showing conversation took place in the bedroom.(or what happened later and in retrospect is there any need for that conversation to be shown). readers imagination paints a better picture.

When someone (Hatty, I think?) said she was for the streets, I interpreted that as "she's going to essentially become a prostitute"
lets be clear about 1 thing... the more i read the kn the more i disliked vivian as a character. i was one of the few who wanted a redemption arc for the couple and was vocal about it. i don't know if you have misinterpreted my statement or my explaining is not clear. so i repeat... vivian might be influenced down the path of more corruption(lowering her inhibitions and acting purely on impulse like how she is with christian not gonna fuck them but be tempted) by the side characters like the mechanic and the assorted side characters. the main corrupting influence would be christian. not using any subtext here... the only time i theorised she would fuck anyone than christian was the interpretation of the sneak peak of vivian is a different house with maroon dress and earrings. and that it might be mayor tate as it was extracted bay someone from the script file which i have yet to find a way to open.
 

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lol, what happened to you, dude...?
You said there was no need for explanation for what happened at the bedrrom and I said this

and then you got confused and were ignoring the fact that there were talking noises at all and went amok with your posts after!
seems like you dont understand what i was saying or feels like you don't want to accept what was said before... so i wont be involved with your discussion.
 

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So no need to know what they talked in the bedroom before the clapping begun...oh sorry I forgot, there was no talking. Straight to business, right.
No I think it was quite simple:

Boss: Oh I always sleep naked, hope that is not a problem for you?
Wife: Well I wouldnt be a decent guest if I didnt follow your house rules would I?
Boss: Oh watch out I spilt some water on the floor
Wife: Ahh I slipped
Boss: Well since its already in there...
Wife: ung ung ung
 
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