Include a gratuitous scene that might not fit completely with the main story?


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X|Mortis

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thats in the dark dark category like the scene someone posted of the devs previous work/render. finger crossed as far out theory as it may be hope its not happen to hutch who is already on thin ice emotionally
Yeah tbh, that would be like the penultimate bad ending or something if such a scenario were to be implemented in-game.

Poor Hutch's mental state is already wearing thin. Wouldn't want him to suffer too much after all by losing both Vivian and a potential side chick in Addison :HideThePain:
 

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If the tables were turned to where the female partner instead saw the man doing this with another woman, I think she also would not feel like being very sexual or affectionate with him. IMO, Vivian would be acting like a real POS to emotionally damage her husband like she has and then use this as an excuse to justify escalating the sharing of sex/passion with another man/other men.
totally agree and she doesnt even get that reason he acts meek after the first 2nd and 3rd time he keeps distancing himself from her after the backyard scene or oppose christian. the only way i come to term with that kinda of behaviour is porn game logic. and if read the convo she has with christian in the carpark it has double meaning based on how the reader interprets it. like hutch will take everything away from me can be interpreted as its not my fault but hutch for being meek that it has come to this. and so on.
 
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My interpretation: (/s)

Wife: Promise me, now that I will become a complete cum dump for your boss and possibly other men, that I might even develop feeling for, that we will still be good and it wont affect our marriage, and you will always love me and feel the same way for me as you have for the last 22 years.
Hubbie: I will, as long as you promise to always come home to me every night after a hard day's fucking so I can see and smell the stank on you, while I'll probably stay celibate for the rest of my life.
Wife: I will. Now lets hug! Just ignore my previous lying and cheating and humiliating you and devastating you. Because I love you.
Seriously, I love the phrasing you use here. You should frame it. Sarcastic, as you say, but funny, and the wording is magic.
 

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as long as you promise to always come home to me every night after a hard day's fucking so I can see and smell the stank on you, while I'll probably stay celibate for the rest of my life
Wife: I will. Now lets hug! Just ignore my previous lying and cheating and humiliating you and devastating you. Because I love you.
Looks like both Vivian/Hutch's love knows no bounds :KEK: :HideThePain:

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I think we will see this moving forward if Hutch does anything even remotely with Addison, she will take this as the ok to move things along and start fucking around. Maybe she goes into the office and Hutch finally accepts lunch with Addison, she will see this and use it as an excuse to bang the boss on his desk. Could be where the jealousy comes in, rather than the simple devastation Hutch has experienced up until now, he was not jealous, he has been broken.
you dont need that jealousy in the case of vivian... she is already weak to christian when he does anything with her.... she just meekly follows .... one comic instance is christian asking for a selfie and she shend a pick of the boobs and a gesture in a very revealing nightgown she wore for hutch with out even thinking instead of out right rejecting it. even in the current state of the vn ... vivian is almost ready for anything christian does to her...after getting free pass from hutch there is nothing holding her back. and she is happy but doesnt go against hutch when he tell her to do what she wants do or dont dont ... and she acts submissive like she is doing it for hutch and their marriage but in porn reality its freedom from guilt and feels there is no problems anymore.... this should have been the reaction of vivian at the start of the game when she learns the hutch might be fired and instead goes im a big girl and can do better job than my husband who does the job.
 

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I'm referring to the scene after they "open" their relationship, up to and including where she asks for a promise it wont affect our relationship, and Hutch asks her to always come back to him at the end of the day.
i dont think it meant as always come back to hutch at the end of the day... but meant that at the end of it all she will not become a complete slut and give into her pleasure and leave him. which in the NTR genre is say she will never come back and yes i completely agree with that comedic view of the situation out right hilarious.
 
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)I think DEV wants to tell with this KN what the married couple will go through for the sake of common happiness. I think they will stay together in the end, they have been married for 22 years and never had a crisis until they wanted to fire the MC from his job. The problems have come together, the child is going to university, so the money is needed, and the DEV tells us in such a rude way what they had to pay for the entire happy life. It could even easily be the end that the boss is ruined and he will no longer be Alpha. Christian mentions a lot that he is the Alfa while MC is a loser until he proves his opponent in me. The married couple made a hard sacrifice and in the end they will stay together because NTR can end up being happy.
 

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you dont need that jealousy in the case of vivian... she is already weak to christian when he does anything with her.... she just meekly follows .... one comic instance is christian asking for a selfie and she shend a pick of the boobs and a gesture in a very revealing nightgown she wore for hutch with out even thinking instead of out right rejecting it. even in the current state of the vn ... vivian is almost ready for anything christian does to her...after getting free pass from hutch there is nothing holding her back. and she is happy but doesnt go against hutch when he tell her to do what she wants do or dont dont ... and she acts submissive like she is doing it for hutch and their marriage but in porn reality its freedom from guilt and feels there is no problems anymore.... this should have been the reaction of vivian at the start of the game when she learns the hutch might be fired and instead goes im a big girl and can do better job than my husband who does the job.

I would expect some jealously from the wife as her reaction when telling Hutch that he can "balance things out" she gets emotional, this could be all a show and complete bullshit on her part but she does seem to not want Hutch to get with anyone else, even though just a few hours before she was getting railed in the bathroom.
 
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I would expect some jealously from the wife as her reaction when telling Hutch that he can "balance things out" she gets emotional, this could be all a show and complete bullshit on her part but she does seem to not want Hutch to get with anyone else, even though just a few hours before she was getting railed in the bathroom.
Yeah that struck out to me too. A this stage she is practically loving the sex she is getting with the boss. Perhaps she is just a "cake eater" and wants everything: the loving husband at home with the married life, and the lover outside home.
Perhaps she fears that if she is enjoying it developing some feelings for the other man, then it is all too possible that Hutch would too. Maybe she fears that he would be more likely to dump her, knowing what he does regarding her cheating and lying.
 

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no offense but its like saying someone completely unrelated to the field you work in says that they know better than you and you going along with their suggestion is basically a recepie for disastar and thats what has happened in the vn.
She's not telling Hutch how to do his job in the detailed sense, she's telling him how to take a different approach to working with his clients. It's a personal skill, rather than a technical skill, you don't need to know how to do the job to know how to build relationships.

Note that she at no point tells him what to do in business terms, only what to do to get closer to the clients and to build rapport with them. Christian words it (if I remember rightly) as "consultancy work" - when you don't actually work for the company as an employee, but you're providing ideas and insight on how they can improve in general areas that require no specific business knowledge. Vivian knows people, that's the expertise she's providing.
If his dick is that big, there is no way its going in her unless she is sufficiently wet (i.e. super horny and ready to go), he happens to carry a jar of lube with him. I didn't see any evidence of lube, so I can only assume she was wet with anticipation, regardless of how much she didn't want it.
Exactly. Although the typical here I guess would be saliva, which isn't exactly perfect as a lube.
I think the utter fucking ridiculousness is what makes this story interesting. Part of me wish it was choice based but good it wasn't. I am hopeing this stays 5 star till the end. Maybe DEV will give us another one.
It's one of those where it's difficult to see, because we're so used to what we currently have. I look at it though and think what choices/where? What would improve the game without completely derailing the story and taking it in a different direction. Ultimately, it's a linear story, and I think the only way to have (meaningful) choices in it would be to make it multi-path, so you'd have a loyal path, for instance, which would screw the overall story and require some massive side path to give another option for Hutch to save his job, etc. I think it's just too much here.
Either way, before that scene, I'm pretty sure Hutch had already noticed Vivian getting anally fucked by Chris in his backyard, so whether he noticed the panties or not, doesn't change the fact that he already knows Vivian/Chris has been fucking in the latter's backyard behind his back.
Yeah, he knows the fucking part, but she doesn't (at that point) know that he knows, so she's trying to hide the evidence from him. The anal part didn't happen though, it was just bending her over the table and taking her from behind. Anal is mentioned later on a couple of times, including between Christian and Vivian where they both make it clear they've not been there (yet?).
I totally agree with you for the Hutch part : he needs a 180 turn to get over this. His family life might be a wake up call for him.
Possible Hutch suicide ending. Or to take Christian's concern during the late night phonecall, possible Hutch going postal and killing at least Christian ending.
Isnt that hand on the back scene when the boss comes out and gives them a look after the bathroom scene? Maxwell knows what that means and leads everyone else out of the office so he can have a chat with Hutch, again with his manipulation tactics to convince Hutch that him banging his wife is a good thing.
They made it pretty clear that they don't know who Vivian is, so unless they managed to learn this information while Vivian, Christian, and Hutch were in the toilets, it can't be this. The scene did confuse me at first, but then I just took it as a coincidence of timing, and it just happened to be lunchtime. We see everyone go out to lunch at the same time on an earlier day, and I assumed that's what was happening here as well. Maxwell in particular still thinks Hutch is a dead man walking, so with Christian going over to him for a private chat, he probably expecting something about being fired (though I imagine Maxwell would want to stay around to watch that, and gloat).
I played the game 1 more time and I realized she betrayed Hutch she told Christian he didn't write anything on the paper.
I like that you can keep picking up new stuff, it somehow makes a kinetic story have replay value. I haven't yet replayed it, though I will do. I don't play games a second time usually unless it's to try a different LI path, for example, but this one just calls for it.
 
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Possible Hutch suicide ending. Or to take Christian's concern during the late night phonecall, possible Hutch going postal and killing at least Christian ending.
Idk if the dev gonna go to these extremes (possible outcome) but iwas thinking about something more like this :"This woman humiliated me, but i draw a line for anything which might hurt our son."
 

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It's still a mystery to me what kind of job it is that you have to sacrifice everything to keep it.
It's the stupidest plot of all. I mean, okay, let's say Hutch is making a lot of money there...but if he's making a lot of money, have you even considered saving it for college or just a rainy day? If he's not making much money, then what's the matter, is there really no other job in the world at all? You have two cars! Why don't you sell one of them? That's so stupid.
 

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It's still a mystery to me what kind of job it is that you have to sacrifice everything to keep it.
It's the stupidest plot of all. I mean, okay, let's say Hutch is making a lot of money there...but if he's making a lot of money, have you even considered saving it for college or just a rainy day? If he's not making much money, then what's the matter, is there really no other job in the world at all? You have two cars! Why don't you sell one of them? That's so stupid.
It's an AVN, so a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required. Just enjoy the fictional story for what it is, don't try and compare it to real life where things would be very different.
 

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I'm hoping for a grim ending for Vivian. This is one of the most deceitful, disgusting characters ever. Christian is at least honest with himself. Bitch, you're almost 40 years old and you're like a cheap college slut who gets all sweaty at the sight of Christian and goes along with what he says, don't you have a head of your own? Or was fucking other people before your husband found out a good thing and you thought you were so smart that fucking two metres away from him would be a great idea and he wouldn't find out? That's fucked up. I still think it's Vivian's fault we see Hutch at the beginning of the game. It happens a lot when a wife makes her husband into a convenient man and then they're surprised that he's changed, he's not the man she married and they jump on the dick of guys like Christian.
 

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It's an AVN, so a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required. Just enjoy the fictional story for what it is, don't try and compare it to real life where things would be very different.
it's funny. A lot of people say how great the story is, how cool it's done, and then you point out the flaws and you're told: dude, it's porn, calm down.
 

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it's funny. A lot of people say how great the story is, how cool it's done, and then you point out the flaws and you're told: dude, it's porn, calm down.
A story can be well done and at the same time not make logical sense, which is what you were criticising. You are looking for reality where it doesn't exist.

I'm hoping for a grim ending for Vivian. This is one of the most deceitful, disgusting characters ever. Christian is at least honest with himself. Bitch, you're almost 40 years old and you're like a cheap college slut who gets all sweaty at the sight of Christian and goes along with what he says, don't you have a head of your own? Or was fucking other people before your husband found out a good thing and you thought you were so smart that fucking two metres away from him would be a great idea and he wouldn't find out? That's fucked up. I still think it's Vivian's fault we see Hutch at the beginning of the game. It happens a lot when a wife makes her husband into a convenient man and then they're surprised that he's changed, he's not the man she married and they jump on the dick of guys like Christian.
This is a hard NTR game, where the wife is always going to cheat on the husband. If you are looking for a happy marriage game then you've come to the wrong place.
Perhaps you will get your wish and Vivian will end up used, empty and alone. Which is the most likely scenario to me, the way the story is going.
 

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it's funny. A lot of people say how great the story is, how cool it's done, and then you point out the flaws and you're told: dude, it's porn, calm down.
No it's more like saying to you to no not have unrealistic expectations. Icould find a lot of discrepancies in any story. I just hope we will still have this relatibility in characters, bc i'm not so much into NTR.

Btw, i ikind have diifculties to find something which pleases on f95 these days : too many NTR (ugh the phone games), games very bland, incest is not trendy anymore, too many female protagonist games.
 
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A story can be well done and at the same time not make logical sense, which is what you were criticising. You are looking for reality where it doesn't exist.


This is a hard NTR game, where the wife is always going to cheat on the husband. If you are looking for a happy marriage game then you've come to the wrong place.
Perhaps you will get your wish and Vivian will end up used, empty and alone. Which is the most likely scenario to me, the way the story is going.
Tbh, what he said is not in contradiction with what to you say. Vivian will fall hard in NTR, but if she doesn't face any consequences, the setup done by the author would have been for nothing.
 

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Это сложная игра в жанре NTR, в которой жена всегда будет изменять мужу. Если вы ищете игру про счастливый брак, то вы пришли не по адресу.
Reread my posts, but still no words about it being a bad game, that I hate NTR..hmmm.....
 
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