Include a gratuitous scene that might not fit completely with the main story?


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Hattyrulz

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That's not what I meant. We know that Vivian will not show any restriction towards Christian after the marriage set to open. I'm talking about Christian.
He somehow respected her decision not to fuck her again but and that's what I'm asking, how will Christian use this to his advantage as soon as he knows about Vivian's and Hutch's agreement. We know he's a damn good player and Vivian is shitty at lying...
i mean you said it yourself christian is a player and i don't know how an open marriage works...and saying that we do know vivian is ready to fuck even after she knows that hutch know what happened... from the hug in the carpark... don't need any more taking advantage of .... just go wild....that's my thought anyway. i mean would you believe that christian would stick to his word according to the vn. isn't that y he has talks with hutch twice after the car park scene. so that he can get his way being a borderline narcissist that he is.
 
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With "just go wild" the story would just end being dull and boring. We witnessed manipulation and corruption in the first release and then someone mentions (Vivian) she won't do it with the certain person (Christian) anymore and the certain person somehow accepts it. Now the question is how Christian will use the new situation (open marriage) to his advantage and how humilating it will be for Vivian and especially for Hutch. Will he order her (because she likes to be dominated) to slide under their the table (public sex), or order her to another table to flirt with a stranger, or something else, or will he first refuse to get intimate with her and search for a complete different tactic because she said she won't have sex with him again. He's not just a player, he's a complete asshole who said to Hutch that he will steal his wife.
when does christian say that... your last sentence.... don't remember it in any convo....im not a writer but if you are asking for series of events or possible outcomes we already have a lot of them spread out in this thread. the dev clearly show that state of mind of the characters through dialogue/body language/leave it to the readers imagination... in this scenario of how chritisan will further manipulate and take advantage of the situation... there is nothing more to take advantage of .... cos vivian is given a free pass to do what ever she wants to do... and from the narrative we already know that her state of mind has slowly been eroding away to the point where she is not even listening the last resistance/request of her husband when he tells her to do it or not do it it's her choice. don't know if you are reading the other post and comments of others but this has been mentioned several time already.
 

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when does christian say that... your last sentence.... don't remember it in any convo....
He says it as one of those not quite clever little phrases with a strategic pause meant to strike fear into Hutch before continuing:
Christian: "So don't be surprised when I steal your wife from you."
Hutch: "HUH!?"
Christian: "For the evening... you know... to do research..."
Christian: "Haha... I'm just teasing..."
 
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He says it as one of those not quite clever little phrases with a strategic pause meant to strike fear into Hutch before continuing:
was it during the dinner at christian's house? don't remember this dialogue.... or the convo hutch and christian have in the office. christian doesn't need to tease/corrupt/manipulate anymore seeing from the way the couple talk in code instead of outright saying what a disaster it has been for both of them. just like christian planned by having his talks with both of them.
 

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was it during the dinner at christian's house? don't remember this dialogue.... or the convo hutch and christian have in the office. christian doesn't need to tease/corrupt/manipulate anymore seeing from the way the couple talk in code instead of outright saying what a disaster it has been for both of them. just like christian planned by having his talks with both of them.
It's still a huge game for Christian. He does it with other couples. He likes to fuck wifes in front of husbands. He's done that in the past, and currently his target is Vivian. But, she's a proud woman. And, right now, she does love Hutch. So, she's not going to purposely fuck in front of Hutch, even if Christian proposes the idea. She just isn't.

But, I'm sure Christian has games he'd like to play with her. So, he'll need some kind of strategy to get her onboard with things. Not just so he can fuck her, but so he can play with her, and play with Hutch. That's what he's aiming for. He has other women that he fucks to get off on. But, with Vivian, she comes with a husband, adn that's tempting for him. That's why he wants to play with Vivian and stretch teh boundries. But, we'll have to see in the future updates how he plays with the couple. And whether or not they allow him to play with them.

I do like that hot of Hutch looking at the knife in the kitchen. That does lend a sense of /what-ifs/. It makes the story exciting to tune into.
 

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was it during the dinner at christian's house? don't remember this dialogue.... or the convo hutch and christian have in the office. christian doesn't need to tease/corrupt/manipulate anymore seeing from the way the couple talk in code instead of outright saying what a disaster it has been for both of them. just like christian planned by having his talks with both of them.
Absolutely wrong. Of course Christian has to tease/manipulate/corrupt/humilate further. Dev mentioned it won't get any softer, so the game for Christian is still on. Vivian is just torn at the moment and not fully corrupted and if Christian really blames Hutch for losing 2 imortant clients, then he's not finished with Hutch either. A man with his status and ego won't allow anyone to plan something on him.
steal.jpg That was the day after the dinner. At work!
 
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she's a proud woman
doesn't seem like it at the end of the update. vivian is almost ready for anything that christian is saying at this point......that's how i see it ... there is a lot for foreshadowing in the way the events happen in this vn. like the reader is warned and then it happens. vivian says something and does the opposite and the manipulations of christian is just taking advantage of the flaws that are already there in the relationship as he has done this to many couples. not saying that there are no more manipulations my point how is it manipulation when the individual being manipulated in compliant/submissive/willing.
with Vivian, she comes with a husband, adn that's tempting for him. That's why he wants to play with Vivian and stretch teh boundries. But, we'll have to see in the future updates how he plays with the couple. And whether or not they allow him to play with them.
my point is what's there to manipulate in an open marriage....that's what i don't get.
 

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Absolutely wrong. Of course Christian has to tease/manipulate/corrupt/humilate further. Dev mentioned it won't get any softer, so the game for Christian is still on. Vivian is just torn at the moment and not fully corrupted and if Christian really blames Hutch for losing 2 imortant clients, then he's not finished with Hutch either. A man with his status and ego won't allow anyone to plan something on him.
english isn't my first language. i think my thoughts are getting lost in translation... that how i feel. my mistake.... christian will try to do more stuff... not saying it will stop.... but my question is how is it corruption when the person you are trying to corrupt is a willing participant.
 

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english isn't my first language. i think my thoughts are getting lost in translation... that how i feel. my mistake.... christian will try to do more stuff... not saying it will stop.... but my question is how is corruption when the person you are trying to corrupt is a willing participant.
With more corruption I mean to bring Vivian out of her shell completely. Like Sex in public, exhibitionism, anal, dp,... all the things she hasn't done before or maybe not done for a long while and this will need time and what better possibility than having a woman who doesn't get touched by her husband anymore and even said to the other one she won't do it with him again. Sooner or later she will ask Christian to satisfy her longing. This is what Christian opens quite the possibilities to corrupt her further when he says if you really want my dick, then show me how much you need it!
 
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Well if there is anything the previews we have show.... She is still fucking him. possibly one or 2 time in the previews.
 
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With more corruption I mean to bring Vivian out of her shell completely. Like Sex in public, exhibitionism, anal, dp,... all the things she hasn't done before or maybe not done for a long while and this will need time and what better possibility than having a woman who doesn't get touched by her husband anymore and even said to the other one she won't do it with him again. Sooner or later she will ask Christian to satisfy her longing. This is what Christian opens quite the possibilities to corrupt her further when he says if you really want my dick, then show me how much you need it!
isnt it already at the point as she is giving a bj in the bathroom and moaning at just from hugs. believing and confiding in christian and talking about all the personal intiamte details to a fuck buddy... isn't it a sign that she will do whatever christian tells her to do. vivian coming out of her shell and the background/history behind it that is more like the awakening of a slut instead of corrupting an loving wife....
 
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isnt it already at the point as she is giving a bj in the bathroom and moaning at just from hugs. believing and confiding in christian and talking about all the personal intiamte details to a fuck buddy... isn't it a sign that she will do whatever christian tells her to do. vivian coming out of her shell and the background/history behind it that is more like the awakening of a slut instead of corrupting an loving wife....
She does protest that this is the LAST TIME.... Even in the parking lot after she has found out Hutch was in the Bathroom... Then shw ges home and Hutch opens the marriage.... We will see what changes... As I mentioned above the previews show she possibly has sex 2 more times.
 

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isnt it already at the point as she is giving a bj in the bathroom and moaning at just from hugs. believing and confiding in christian and talking about all the personal intiamte details to a fuck buddy... isn't it a sign that she will do whatever christian tells her to do. vivian coming out of her shell and the background/history behind it that is more like the awakening of a slut instead of corrupting an loving wife....
Not enough to make her sleep with others!
 
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Obviously every time she has sex with Christian, she will say it is absolutely the last time. Then she'll have sex with him again and tell him it's the last time. And so on, and so on, until something actually breaks – which might be Hutch, might be Vivian, or might be Christian.

I'm still not sold on Christian getting Vivian to fuck other people, I don't think that's something that works for him. But he's certainly opened the door, and Vivian might fuck others as a result of her new awakening, and Hutch's words at the end of the first update.
 

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Obviously every time she has sex with Christian, she will say it is absolutely the last time. Then she'll have sex with him again and tell him it's the last time. And so on, and so on, until something actually breaks – which might be Hutch, might be Vivian, or might be Christian.

I'm still not sold on Christian getting Vivian to fuck other people, I don't think that's something that works for him. But he's certainly opened the door, and Vivian might fuck others as a result of her new awakening, and Hutch's words at the end of the first update.
Will not be Christian... He likes sex with her too much ! But maybe later in the story that may be his downfall.....
 

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We have seen that Vivian's willpower in relation to Christian is not as strong as she thinks it is, at least not yet. When Hutch tried to warn her about the kind of man Christian is on the drive to his home, she said: "I'm fully capable of handling myself if he says or does something inappropriate, okay?" And we already know that Christian cannot be trusted and is willing to physically restrain Vivian to some extent in response to her saying that sex is over and she wants to leave.
 
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We will see how it will come for Vivian to fuck with others than Christian. At the moment he is the only one who can corrupt her further or awaken her desire for more. Christian would be a real charakter if he would refuse her for a while because she said she wouldn't have sex with him anymore. He can't just give in and give her what she needs when she's ready to. It must be him having the lead and not her. So that''s why I'm guessing he orders her to do a favor for a favor...the (Mayor's?) house she went to with the red dress.
 
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Obviously every time she has sex with Christian, she will say it is absolutely the last time. Then she'll have sex with him again and tell him it's the last time. And so on, and so on, until something actually breaks – which might be Hutch, might be Vivian, or might be Christian.
I agree. Hopefully, it will be Vivian and/or Hutch to finally shut it down...because if it's Christian, I think that will mean he's through with them, as he has gotten everything he wanted from them.
 
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just noticed something while searching for a charater looking like a mayor.....
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assuming this is the mayor....
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notice anything??
so much foreshadowing going one its crazy.
 
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