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(do i look okay?) in the dress the boss bought for her to wear while she asks that question to hutch.. the card reading (cant wait to see you tonight) knowing hutch has no clue the boss bought it for her and hid the box an card .. she knew right there what the boss wanted and was prepared to give it him .. whats even worse she is asking her husband how she looks in a dress another man bought for her to wear.. marinate on that for a minute.
I 100% agree on this , I would maybe even say she's decided earlier than that

What annoyed me the most was there was so many red flags or warning bells , like hutch out and out says like he wants her to have nothing to do with the people he works with because of what they are like , hell Christian drops the biggest warning of all by saying we always thought hutch had made you up , now I don't know about anyone else but if I was in that situation my mind would be saying well my husband has gone out of his way to keep me separate from his work life and he's told me why so I should probably believe him , but silly Vivian thinks she holds all the power and cards and is this master tactician and goes a head and doesn't even give a second thought about what hutch had said to her , that was one of the big things that annoyed me about her character
 
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I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
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I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
Sure in the car she out and out says he might try and do some inappropriate things to "throw you off your game" and she's like just don't let it bother you
 

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...if he was truly going to fire him why send him home early to then discuss the matter in the morning like if he had of genuinely came to the conclusion that he was going to fire hutch why not just do it there and then , as it's not like he had insider knowledge that Vivian was going to visit him in the morning , so what would he of actually gained by doing it in the morning , I just don't see what his game plan with that would of been
You're reading too much into it. Sometimes it's just being used to give a character an entry to the scene.

I agree and disagree. After the morning meeting ...and she got the dress ( I do not remember the card... have to go look ). I think she knew something was a foot. Then Hutch comes home and says the dinner is just for him. She had to convince Hutch to take her. I think partly she thought she need to go because he was not thinking on he feet very well and part... because Christian peaked her interest. I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
You forgot to add that Christian told her in the morning if she is not there the dinner is off.
 

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simple question i guess. it boils down to hutch losing his job or his wife.. what would all the men in the room choose ? job or wife regardless of there situation in life? wife or the money? 30 minutes into the dinner vivian made her choice .. she f*cked the boss to keep the money coming in.. plain an simple .. feelings, love, situation, blackmail word it however you choose she made the choice for hutch . period . then with hutch she continued to make that choice all night not giving a shit about hutch. she wants that money and she found a way to get it. she knew how to get that money long before that dinner ever happened ..
I do not disagree with you on that. It was clear from before it happened and after it happened that Hutch did not want Vivian to make the choice she did, even to supposedly save his job. He warned her about how Christian is and said that he did not want to grovel for his job, and of course he was devastated by what he saw and asked how they could do that to him. I have nothing to say that would altogether excuse Vivian. The only thing I can say in her defense (which is a weak defense and only a partial mitigation) is that I think she initiated contact with his boss with good intentions, but she quickly went from thinking that she could handle the situation to being handled by his boss.
 

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You forgot to add that Christian told her in the morning if she is not there the dinner is off.
Precisely. All else taken off the table, she (at this point) thought Christian was testing her by telling Hutch to leave her behind. She had been told it was off unless she was there, so she had no choice but to go or, in her mind, Hutch would be out of a job. So it was a test to see if she could overcome this, and if she would overcome it, to go regardless.

I thought that was one of the really neat parts of the game actually, coupled with the "oh shit" realisation that it was actually a test of Hutch, not of her.
 

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Well, you asked why and I told you because of your wild theories.
DEV could have used an office party to give Vivian her stage and ignore Huutch trying to keep her away from those but instead DEV used the next morning.
Nowhere in that text do I out and out ask for someone elses opinions , and if you think you think my theories are wild you need to get your eyes tested I'm afraid as there is far worse , but enough of that your boring me now with your attempts to shit stir :)
 

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Ooooo I've hooked a feisty one hahaha, honestly if punctuation is the worst thing you can come at me with go absolutely mad , as I couldn't care less so have fun :)
 

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Since you asked again and i'll answer honestly. Your behavior clearly shows your lack of intelligence and also casts doubt on your age. ;)
And that's your opinion, so like I've said before have fun each to there own what ever does it for you my man I'm not here to shame anyone regardless of what they are into :)
 

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I hope @SC Stories can give us either his take or what he had in vision for the scene, it would be very interesting to confront this with what we think so far.
this is linear kn with no choices so the story SC Stories is telling is the opinion or vision we just have to wait for the whole game to be done to completely understand the course of events and the reasoning behind them. we just have to be patient... if its just to that particular scene i dont we can get a reply from SC Stories now but in the future when its done .... we can ask and hope for a reply.
Sometimes one night is enough to make somebody a slut. Sometimes one fraud is enough to make somebody a fraudster. It all depends on the context, the behaviour in the act and the responsibility and conscience you show afterwards.
Dealbreaker truthbomb alert.... (y)
The reason I've always thought it is because they say he will always consider all angles , not impulsive and isnt quick tempered or something like that , but they also mention that he is good with money and numbers so there's that the only theory I have is that he's going to rob Christian and financially cripple him and his business haha
for now we are just hoping for a revenge plot from hutch and the one sneak peek with the cigarette man is making me(and some others) hope for this outcome. there is no concrete facts stating such a outcome is possible in the current update.
That bit annoyed me slightly as they came up with the "plan" and she essentially went fuck that plan shortly after meeting him Il just fuck him instead for hutch to keep his job

Tho even then I'm not convinced he was getting fired sure even after Vivian fucks him he still puts hutch into a new job role anyway so that could of been what he was gonna do the entire time , but Vivian got impatient and jumped the gun so we won't know
I 100% agree on this , I would maybe even say she's decided earlier than that
you have read and see the dialogues between the couple and christian to understand y vivian did what she did. to start it off vivian going to the office made christian want to fuck her and he was measuring her up and kissing her on the lips then taunting her.

at this point i think if christian took it further vivian would have let him fuck then and there in the office. my view. but for the story's it didn't happen. this is when christian start testing the couple as he already know what hutch is going to do as vivian already told him what to expect.

later christian tells hutch that his wife doesn't have to come. this is a test to see if hutch can put a leash of the wife(dormant hoe) that he saw in the morning. vivian wearing the dress that christian sent even when there is no indication for telling her to wear is shows vivian at this point has made up her mind to do everything that christian tells her to do. including fucking him ...as hutch already told her that the previous knight and why he didn't want his wife to meet them. vivian internal thoughts when hutch says vivian didn't need to attend is interesting. she doesn't tell hutch she met the boss and know what the boss told her and now hearing it from hutch she is under the delusion that if she doesn't go hutch will get fired and is testing the couple and her.

at the dinner after the kiss on the lips vivian realises that hutch is being tested and not her. as christian makes the dialogue about who wears the pants in the family. then there is another remark which makes it clear when he says my kinda guy. don't know the exact dialogue but if you play that scene and read the dialogue you will get it.

this is the plot path to chritian test vivian and hutch to see if he can fuck the wife and hutch will not take action ..... which is later revealed in the kitchen when he admits to having fucked several wifes and having the husband comply... which again goes by to christian's dialogue about hutch. christian having figured out the couple manipulates them to his advantage as he knows that after he fucks vivian who is being submissive to him and dominating the husband in front of him. he can do whatever he wants and not have any consequence. at this point christian isn't even thinking about hutch but how he can fuck the wife.

TheDuke9999 mentioned about choosing between job and wife.... this has been brought up in the kn several times by vivian first she wants the money and the job not the marriage then she does it again trying to get the job back by fuckign christian in the bathroom but this falls apart as she gets to know hutch knew all along what a cheating wife she was. if we think about this only from the facts in the kn then vivian just comes across as a dumb woman who thinks sex is the solution to everything.

there are various points in the kn we as the reader can say vivian has already made up her mind based on readers choices... but to understand the reason and meaning of the characters in the kn we just have to wait for SC Stories to give us the next update when its done. hopefully it wont raise more questions than answers. that's not going to happen as the dev clearly said in his post that his using QT approach to dialogue which leaves the reasoning to the readers.
 
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this is linear kn with no choices so the story SC Stories is telling is the opinion or vision we just have to wait for the whole game to be done to completely understand the course of events and the reasoning behind them. we just have to be patient... if its just to that particular scene i dont we can get a reply from SC Stories now but in the future when its done .... we can ask and hope for a reply.

Dealbreaker truthbomb alert.... (y)

for now we are just hoping for a revenge plot from hutch and the one sneak peek with the cigarette man is making me(and some others) hope for this outcome. there is no concrete facts stating such a outcome is possible in the current update.


you have read and see the dialogues between the couple and christian to understand y vivian did what she did. to start it off vivian going to the office made christian want to fuck her and he was measuring her up and kissing her on the lips then taunting her.

at this point i think if christian took it further vivian would have let him fuck then and there in the office. my view. but for the story's it didn't happen. this is when christian start testing the couple as he already know what hutch is going to do as vivian already told him what to expect.

later christian tells hutch that his wife doesn't have to come. this is a test to see if hutch can put a leash of the wife(dormant hoe) that he saw in the morning. vivian wearing the dress that christian sent even when there is no indication for telling her to wear is shows vivian at this point has made up her mind to do everything that christian tells her to do. including fucking him ...as hutch already told her that the previous knight and why he didn't want his wife to meet them. vivian internal thoughts when hutch says vivian didn't need to attend is interesting. she doesn't tell hutch she met the boss and know what the boss told her and now hearing it from hutch she is under the delusion that if she doesn't go hutch will get fired and is testing the couple and her.

at the dinner after the kiss on the lips vivian realises that hutch is being tested and not her. as christian makes the dialogue about who wears the pants in the family. then there is another remark which makes it clear when he says my kinda guy. don't know the exact dialogue but if you play that scene and read the dialogue you will get it.

this is the plot path to chritian test vivian and hutch to see if he can fuck the wife and hutch will not take action ..... which is later revealed in the kitchen when he admits to having fucked several wifes and having the husband comply... which again goes by to christian's dialogue about hutch. christian having figured out the couple manipulates them to his advantage as he knows that after he fucks vivian who is being submissive to him and dominating the husband in front of him. he can do whatever he wants and not have any consequence. at this point christian isn't even thinking about hutch but how he can fuck the wife.

TheDuke9999 mentioned about choosing between job and wife.... this has been brought up in the kn several times by vivian first she wants the money and the job not the marriage then she does it again trying to get the job back by fuckign christian in the bathroom but this falls apart as she gets to know hutch knew all along what a cheating wife she was. if we think about this only from the facts in the kn then vivian just comes across as a dumb woman who thinks sex is the solution to everything.

there are various points in the kn we as the reader can say vivian has already made up her mind based on readers choices... but to understand the reason and meaning of the characters in the kn we just have to wait for SC Stories to give us the next update when its done. hopefully it wont raise more questions than answers. that's not going to happen as the dev clearly said in his post that his using QT approach to dialogue which leaves the reasoning to the readers.
i agree that since this is one of the first VN's to start at the heart of the story no one really knows the backstory that leads up to her decisions.. just me guessing but going from a faithful would never cheat housewife to dropping her panties without hutch's say or approval sort of shows that she does what she wants to do or feels is right for her at the moment .. i mean sub teacher kissing a student in school on the cheek in classroom .. really people? if these are her actions at the moment it is just my belief these were her actions before in the past .. or someone just spiked the punch an wifey became a total pig slut of a wife for no reason lol...
 

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You’re trying too hard to understand 'why she did it' – it’s just life, the moment, the momentum. You don’t plan it, it just happens. Desire from the first encounter
 
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i have a feeling he will be making house calls now anytime he wants.. not much need for sexting when you can get it anywhere anytime anyway you want

Well, that's one point. If this is really confirmed, then sexting will no longer make any sense. The funny thing is that sexting is usually the first thing that happens in real-life cheating, only after that does sex happen. But that's not the case in this game.
 

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You’re trying too hard to understand 'why she did it' – it’s just life, the moment, the momentum. You don’t plan it, it just happens. Desire from the first encounter
the why she did it is simple.. she is a hoe.. i just dont believe she woke up that morning and all of the sudden her hoe antlers were alive now..
 

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no one really knows the backstory that leads up to her decisions.. just me guessing but going from a faithful would never cheat housewife to dropping her panties without hutch's say or approval
You’re trying too hard to understand 'why she did it' – it’s just life, the moment, the momentum. You don’t plan it, it just happens. Desire from the first encounter
Yeah to be fair, there might have been some incidents in Vivian's life when she was younger (i.e., before meeting Hutch) that compelled her to act on her sexual impulses - because she might have been really wild and overly promiscuous in her youth before marrying and settling down with Hutch.

But that might not even be the case. Vivian could have simply just given into temptation because a small part of her was tired of playing the good housewife schtick - so she wanted to embrace the wild side of her based on her interactions with Christian.

Christian could have very well been the welcome reprieve that Vivian had wanted all along to stir up her boring housewife life - but is still not entirely sure of whether that is exactly what she wants for herself. But she might cave in entirely in future updates as well to learn more about the "why" behind her actions.
 

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Well, that's one point. If this is really confirmed, then sexting will no longer make any sense. The funny thing is that sexting is usually the first thing that happens in real-life cheating, only after that does sex happen. But that's not the case in this game.
i agree. now that the marriage is open she is free to do as she wants .. its all on her.. do it or dont .. will be interesting to see how far down the rabbit hole she goes now that it is all on her ..
 
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