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You can say that for the bathroom scene (pure blackmail), may be as well for the kitchen scene in the middle of the night after the dinner.
The backyard and bedroom scenes, though are still in the grey.
In the scenes where she is in full control of herself, she knows exactly where the red line lies and due to her open-mindedness she feels no guilt or shame by getting groped in front of her son, knowing of students testosterone and their behavior (may be soemthing she experienced herself in the past) or by being grateful giving a pupil a kiss on the cheek.
If I understand you rightly, you would insist on a hedonistic attitude to sex with her in contrast to an only opportunistic or utilitaristic one? I'm not so sure that we have seen enough to diagnose this hedonistic element yet. But a lot of people probably would see BOTH these attitudes as signs of "sluttiness" in the common understanding.
 

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WE talk about the game turning dark. THe only person to do that is Hutch. He in the only one scorned here... Wife and Boss. Vivian and Christian having sex is not dark ... Christian trying to humiliate Hutch is not... if Hutch doesn't care for them. It can just rool off.. He is to busy lining up his plan...Which can be Dark for a revenge to both of them !
 

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If I understand you rightly, you would insist on a hedonistic attitude to sex with her in contrast to an only opportunistic or utilitaristic one? I'm not so sure that we have seen enough to diagnose this hedonistic element yet. But a lot of people probably would see BOTH these attitudes as signs of "sluttiness" in the common understanding.
She is not selfish enough to have such an attitude towards sex.
If that were the case she would made a scene during her visit at college. Instead she kept calm, not wanting to make the stay awfull for Sawyer, her son.
We don't know yet what Vivian let cross the red line but what we know is that the bathroom scene was a straight blackmail.
Although she could walk through the door, she stayed while hesitating and arguing but still stroking Christian's penis.
She isn't able to think correctly nor control her instincts as soon as it comes to Christian.
He is her absolute weak point.
 
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She is not selfish enough to have such an attitude towards sex.
If that were the case she would made a scene during her visit at college. Instead she kept calm, not wanting to make the stay awfull for Sawyer, her son.
We don't know yet what Vivian let cross the red line but what we know is that the bathroom scene was a straight blackmail.
Although she could walk through the door, she stayed while hesitating and arguing but still stroking Christian's penis.
She isn't able to think correctly nor control her instincts towards Christian.
He is her absolute weak point.
from the vn i watched anything that has a penis an tries to hit it seems to be her weak point... jus sayin.. i mean even hutch could have got some ..
 
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Sometimes one night is enough to make somebody a slut. Sometimes one fraud is enough to make somebody a fraudster. It all depends on the context, the behaviour in the act and the responsibility and conscience you show afterwards.
Reminds me of an old joke....

"I've climbed the tallest mountain in every continent. Am I known as Jaque the greatest mountain climber? No.
I've sailed every sea and ocean in the world. Am I know as Jaque the greatest sailor? No.
I've ran across every continent from end to end. Am I known as Jaque the greatest runner? No.
I sucked one cock!"


I don't think she was thinking sex untill the dinner meeting went south so to speak.
She knew..... she knew, just didn't want to accept it, until it was too late.
And lets not pretend she was doing it for Hutch, maybe the first time in the backyard.
It was for sure a selfish act, she was doing it for herself, Hutch's job security was only the excuse, the catalyst if you will.

but silly Vivian thinks she holds all the power and cards and is this master tactician and goes a head and doesn't even give a second thought about what hutch had said to her , that was one of the big things that annoyed me about her character
I hear you, so many things annoyed me about her character too. I mentioned previously, she is an "act first, think later" kind of person. Her contempt for her marriage and Hutch really pissed me off.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would never intentionally do something that could hurt my partner, even if I knew that they would never find out. It's just not something I would do, I love and respect them too much for that. And here we have Vivian professing her love for Hutch and yet has no qualms about whoring herself out behind his back. I can't stand it!


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Just another observation, it is clearly evident that SC Stories has blessed Vivian with a great pair of fun jugs. However isn't it odd that we have yet to see them in action in any way? Does Christian not find them pleasing?
 
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from the vn i watched anything that has a penis an tries to hit it seems to be her weak point... jus sayin.. i mean even hutch could have got some ..
He could but he denied himself...We know Vivian is the man in the house.
She should have mixed a blue pill into the lunch the next day after the dinner when they ate together...
 

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Just another observation, it is clearly evident that SC Stories has blessed Vivian with a great pair of fun jugs. However isn't it odd that we have yet to see them in action in any way? Does Christian not find them pleasing?
be patient... be patient...
 

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WE talk about the game turning dark. THe only person to do that is Hutch. He in the only one scorned here... Wife and Boss. Vivian and Christian having sex is not dark ... Christian trying to humiliate Hutch is not... if Hutch doesn't care for them. It can just rool off.. He is to busy lining up his plan...Which can be Dark for a revenge to both of them !
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BTW, just because you mentioned it several times, what do you mean by that? I've seen his movies of course but I'm not conscious of a sort of well-known formula which is at play here. Just curious.
i thought of it the same way you did until i googled it like the good wife vivian and did a deep dive .... and i kinda understood some logics and the way SC Stories left the kn open to interpretation by the readers. and it's the reader's imagination taking over to guide the plot. that is how i saw it others might have a different view. so far the explanation about the approach and the the story in the kn seem to follow that formula, that's what i think that y i keep saying that as it made me come up with a few theories based on that way of writing. you and DarkArchon have idea which were kinda similar to my theories. hope that answers the question. i'm bad a explaining stuff so excuse me.
WE talk about the game turning dark. THe only person to do that is Hutch. He in the only one scorned here... Wife and Boss. Vivian and Christian having sex is not dark ... Christian trying to humiliate Hutch is not... if Hutch doesn't care for them. It can just rool off.. He is to busy lining up his plan...Which can be Dark for a revenge to both of them !
its just a view point i think packard1928. for you hutch taking revenge may be dark. for me vivian humiliating hutch is dark. and for TheDuke9999 vivian and hutch getting back together is dark. its just a view point can be any way the reader interprets it.
I hear you, so many things annoyed me about her character too. I mentioned previously, she is an "act first, think later" kind of person. Her contempt for her marriage and Hutch really pissed me off.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would never intentionally do something that could hurt my partner, even if I knew that they would never find out. It's just not something I would do, I love and respect them too much for that. And here we have Vivian professing her love for Hutch and yet has no qualms about whoring herself out behind his back. I can't stand it!


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Just another observation, it is clearly evident that SC Stories has blessed Vivian with a great pair of fun jugs. However isn't it odd that we have yet to see them in action in any way? Does Christian not find them pleasing?
JoeBlogs exactly as i posted many time when i started playing this kn. you aren't in the minority bud.... i'm also of similar thoughts.

its odd but we are just getting started with the assets vivian has there is more to come.... thats a given as SC Stories talked about awam lack of action. and this kn having a lot..... more to fun events for vivian to .... enjoy and then cry about later saying not her fault as she was swept up in the moment.
 
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Forn now - she in not a whore....
not yet.

Currently, divorce is a popular sport.
I have a friend - a judge (a real one) who says clearly that according to the law, betrayal(cheating) itself is not a ground for divorce
That must depend on where a person lives. Cheating is definitely grounds for divorce in most places in the US. Things do vary by state, so if the judge handles divorces in the US, his or her state may be different than others.
 

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Workplace misconduct like shown here, such as black mail and harass ment all would be ending up in IRL cancellation of the guys - the point this game makes in enabling such behavior for the enjoyment of the audience. Non Con makes dialogues pointless and suspends reality.
There is no morality when the son and the husband get gaslit, humiliated, berated, drugged, betrayed and emotionally blackmailed. All are grounds to lose job, marriage, son and everything in a dispute. All of those. Boss pet gets her nothing.
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the why she did it is simple.. she is a hoe.. i just dont believe she woke up that morning and all of the sudden her hoe antlers were alive now..
So I do and don't agree with the argument that she is just a hoe , now il try and not make this super wordy but no promises haha

Now before I start this is purely my opinion and there's nothing in the game to support this as of yet and yes it is just a game and it boils down to what way the Dev wants it to go but I'm trying to look at it and address it in a somewhat realistic way

So let's say she is just flat out a hoe and always has been I'd be more surprised that she has kept that side of her under control for 22+ years, I would of expected that dam to burst much sooner truth be told , now one way it could be done and I'm going to reference another game for this - so the game is my bimbo dream and let's just say she had a very adventurous past/younger days until there was a traumatic event which caused those impulses to disappear essentially like turning off a light switch but for this we would need more of a backstory around her past as without it I don't see it working

Now I agree that her "hoe" antlers just didn't grow over night, but with this it doesn't necessarily mean that she's a hoe , i would say it's not uncommon that in long term relationships that people's tastes change or want to try new things , probably the most common trope with this is the "I've been a good girl all my life " logic and they want to rebel and be adventurous

Now with this all starting I do genuinely believe that she thinks she's doing it for the right reasons and doesn't see it becoming a regular thing , but I would say as the story progresses it definitely becomes that she is doing this for herself rather than hutch and that she is hiding behind the shield that it's all for hutch so that she doesn't have to admit that she is a bad wife or that she is in the wrong , so there is a massive denial element to it all on her behalf

So I would say without any supporting evidence it's a hard sell on any theory around it as there's nothing to support it ... Maybe this will come in future updates but who knows

Now this next point is definitely based around what has happened in the game and I can evidence it and I would say this could be the most likely idea or theory to it all

So it is clear to see that when there is some form of conflict that directly involves her she doesn't know how too or lacks the ability to problem solve and actual deal with an issue in a proper way

So from what I have seen Vivians go to resolution to a conflict is her body/sex , so here are my examples: hutch may or may not lose his job so that effects money into the house .... Resolution - Vivian fucks Christian , Vivian can clearly see that hutch is not himself and she believes that he is mad/upset with her... Resolution - sexy times and actually goes to the point where she offers anal but when hutch rejects this she is like a fish out of water and has no idea what to do next , in that same scene she actually references that hutch can never stay mad at her when she turns it on and offers out the sexy good times so it is clear to see there is a trend of this

So it could just be that this is what happened and before she knew it the situation got out of control and got away from her.

Curious to see what you say back to this haha
 
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It’s fascinating to observe the evolution of readers' attitudes – some don’t change, others make a complete 360-degree turn :) As SC mentions at the beginning – sometimes we do bad things for good reasons. In this case, under Chris’s influence, something clicked (meshed) in Vivian’s behavior. Under his influence, Viv discovers her other "self" – you could say she’s on the path to self-destruction(Road to Damnation). However – is it really the case? Yes, the betrayal itself is worthy of condemnation, but at the same time, it is so common in our society (Euro-America) that it’s just brushed off as something ordinary. Though, of course, men tend to cheat more often, they never face the same level of negativity as women (slut? why go so harsh). Men are often even glorified for it.
But anyway, let’s put morality aside.
I don’t expect the creator to explain "why Vivian did it, what aspects of her past influenced this, or if it’s a genetic predisposition." This knowledge is unnecessary – the author may, but doesn’t have to, explain it (I’d rather not). It simply happened, and that’s it. What’s interesting is how the story will unfold – of course, we already have a rough roadmap with stops, but we don’t know where it’s headed. I’m eagerly awaiting the next episode of "Starsky Vivian& Hutch," or some teaser from the source about the progress :) (SC Stories)
 

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I don’t expect the creator to explain "why Vivian did it, what aspects of her past influenced this, or if it’s a genetic predisposition." This knowledge is unnecessary – the author may, but doesn’t have to, explain it (I’d rather not). It simply happened, and that’s it. What’s interesting is how the story will unfold
It's rather admirable that you try again and again to convince us of this disciplined attitude - but isn't the question "why" the clue to what will happen? And imagine reading "Madame Bovary" and not asking Why? With asking the question Why the emancipation of the slut from slut-shaming started in the Western mind (for good or bad). We as readers were admonished and seduded into trying to understand her...
 
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It's rather admirable that you try again and again to convince us of this disciplined attitude - but isn't the question "why" the clue to what will happen? And imagine reading "Madame Bovary" and not asking Why? With asking the question Why the emancipation of the slut from slut-shaming started in the Western mind (for good or bad). We as readers were admonished and seduded into trying to understand her...
Of course, you’re right, but we more or less know what motivated her – breaking it down into finer details is unnecessary. The foundation for her decision has been presented to us, and searching for additional sources of the choice doesn’t add much. The author doesn’t need to elaborate on Vivian’s life 30 years back (the classic – reference to the father). We can infer the psychological and social factors, and the material ones are clearly highlighted. Regardless of who initiated the sex in the garden – it didn’t come easily to her.

Tell me – does anyone analyze why de Valmont and de Merteuil ( Dangerous Liaisons ) are the way they are? They play with emotions, sex, relationships, and then face the consequences. No one writes an essay about why they were like that. I don’t think anyone is really that interested – because the answer is simple: corrupted/depraved aristocrats.
 

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Guys like to cause mayhem with nothing to their name, absolutely nothing. We do call them out on it, today, they are: man whores, gigolos, sex workers, he-pussy. Women are shown time and time and again to like to destroy everything in their lives: marriage, son, husband, career, status - absolutely everything - for the ”prince charming” who is a brainless bull. Tropes in fictional realities attract fans.
The whole plot comes out of nowhere, other than something that feels like the flimsiest, most unnecessary, and unbelievable power fantasy for the villain characters to wallow in; there is very little for some incentive or suspense about a milf supposedly seducing a younger bull: plot armored villains and contrived plots that use protagonists brain rot for any plausable explanation are simple yet effective adult entertainment character tropes that make players tune in to watch the dumpster fire.

This game is all about villains having the full blame squarely and heavily canonically stuck on their plot armored, bull shoulders and overthinking is simply another adult entertainment trope players like to engage in all over this thread
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So I do and don't agree with the argument that she is just a hoe , now il try and not make this super wordy but no promises haha

Now before I start this is purely my opinion and there's nothing in the game to support this as of yet and yes it is just a game and it boils down to what way the Dev wants it to go but I'm trying to look at it and address it in a somewhat realistic way

So let's say she is just flat out a hoe and always has been I'd be more surprised that she has kept that side of her under control for 22+ years, I would of expected that dam to burst much sooner truth be told , now one way it could be done and I'm going to reference another game for this - so the game is my bimbo dream and let's just say she had a very adventurous past/younger days until there was a traumatic event which caused those impulses to disappear essentially like turning off a light switch but for this we would need more of a backstory around her past as without it I don't see it working

Now I agree that her "hoe" antlers just didn't grow over night, but with this it doesn't necessarily mean that she's a hoe , i would say it's not uncommon that in long term relationships that people's tastes change or want to try new things , probably the most common trope with this is the "I've been a good girl all my life " logic and they want to rebel and be adventurous

Now with this all starting I do genuinely believe that she thinks she's doing it for the right reasons and doesn't see it becoming a regular thing , but I would say as the story progresses it definitely becomes that she is doing this for herself rather than hutch and that she is hiding behind the shield that it's all for hutch so that she doesn't have to admit that she is a bad wife or that she is in the wrong , so there is a massive denial element to it all on her behalf

So I would say without any supporting evidence it's a hard sell on any theory around it as there's nothing to support it ... Maybe this will come in future updates but who knows

Now this next point is definitely based around what has happened in the game and I can evidence it and I would say this could be the most likely idea or theory to it all

So it is clear to see that when there is some form of conflict that directly involves her she doesn't know how too or lacks the ability to problem solve and actual deal with an issue in a proper way

So from what I have seen Vivians go to resolution to a conflict is her body/sex , so here are my examples: hutch may or may not lose his job so that effects money into the house .... Resolution - Vivian fucks Christian , Vivian can clearly see that hutch is not himself and she believes that he is mad/upset with her... Resolution - sexy times and actually goes to the point where she offers anal but when hutch rejects this she is like a fish out of water and has no idea what to do next , in that same scene she actually references that hutch can never stay mad at her when she turns it on and offers out the sexy good times so it is clear to see there is a trend of this

So it could just be that this is what happened and before she knew it the situation got out of control and got away from her.

Curious to see what you say back to this haha
While I'm not disagreeing your opinion or anyone else's.. Vivian had a choice , be a good wife and leave with your husband.. or cuck and humiliate your husband?? Now did she think she was help her husband? Sure . Did she have sex with the boss all night with good intentions sure.. but regardless of the reason she is still helping Christian cuck and humiliate Hutch willingly and enjoying it. THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS god bless and goodnight... drops mic
 

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While I'm not disagreeing your opinion or anyone else's.. Vivian had a choice , be a good wife and leave with your husband.. or cuck and humiliate your husband?? Now did she think she was help her husband? Sure . Did she have sex with the boss all night with good intentions sure.. but regardless of the reason she is still helping Christian cuck and humiliate Hutch willingly and enjoying it. THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS god bless and goodnight... drops mic
But then doesn't this loop back to my point that she only seems to resolve conflict with her body/sex as she doesn't know how to do it other wise
 
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