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Also in CH1 she is the same
just look at her dress for thedate with the boss

She knows what will be happen by going at the restaurant... She is just lying to herself since the start and also her husband knows everything
She was in France before marry Hutch
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And she used to drink expensive French wine (ok she said that that wine was in a list, but.... but if the wine has remained so impressed in her memory... well... we'll see
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It seems that she knew Chris before she got married ... or Chris knew her before View attachment 4935283 View attachment 4935292
In CH1 we are allowed to know her age
she was born in 1979 so she has more than 40... or the story is set in 2019

And Chris here makes it clear to her that her job is to help him and finalize contracts with his clients View attachment 4935312 View attachment 4935315 View attachment 4935317
Gentlemen this is not a little girl novice ... She is a woman of over 40 years old and she is certainly not stupid....
by the way Chris makes it clear to her that in acting that Hutch also and he says this to take away any excuse....
She knows that her work is to fuck with the client!!! And Vivian does not have sex with Hutch to save her husband's post ... her husband is a valuable accountant for Chris's business

I seriously recommend you read the dialogues ... because the game is very well written

This Milf has a very interesting past and even i can't be sure... it seems that she knew Chris before she married Hutch
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Viv and Chris, both have a shared past
Meeting in front of Chris' office. Viv almost faints when she sees Chris.
Second see picture. She says..... I. I wasn't completely aware of what was happening then. View attachment 4515122
I still think that Viv and Chris know each other.
 

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This is an important point. She is learning to tell him what he wants to hear. Like "who owns you?" My feeling about the look on her face is that she is entirely disingenuous when she tells him he owns her. And that ties into my other 4 points about this last scene.

Besides which, it is not fair play to ask a question like that when your partner is about to climax. The answer you can believe is the one you get the next day when no sex is in sight. Also, "do you love me?" Not during sex, friends, no fair. I'm sure she understands that.

This woman is not the slut/bimbo she has been portrayed so far to be. We have not yet had a clear sight of the depth of her.
She cannot be more clear than the multiple times she calls him an asshole. That is what she really thinks of him. One lesson she might have needed to learn is that it is not necessary to go to an asshole to have good sex.
unfortunately she let a client have his way with her to get the paycheck/money. she is now a company escort/prostitute . she is having sex for money . that is the reality of the VN at this moment .
 

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She cannot be more clear than the multiple times she calls him an asshole
This word clearly turns her on and the act of her calling him that in those situations. You can see that also in this chapter, it gets repeated - one sign of good writing, a sort of leitmotiv actually.
 
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lets not forget that the excuse to have sex with Christian was to save Hutch's job. Also for money.
 

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She might not want to humiliate hutchy but that’s exactly what Christian wants to do.
Don’t you remember her giving Christian a hummer in her driveway then having sex in the front seat and in the driveway with the car door open leaving the light on for all the neighbors to see, even in the trunk of the hatch be banged her. This was all done to humiliate Vivian and hutchy to show her that Christian owns her, and he’s the master and she’s just his sex slave.
There was also some text he said to her on his backyard deck about you’ll do anything the client wants from spitting on you and beating you cause I said they could do it.
You might have to go back and reread that again if you don’t think Christian is trying to humiliate both of them
I don't need to read anything back, but I think you might have missed the point I was making and landed somewhere adjacent. I said Vivian doesn't want to humiliate Hutch, and berates Christian when he does it a bit. Christian humiliating Hutch isn't something I've really commented on. Stuff like the sex in front of the house goes back to the old argument we had a couple of hundred pages ago - it's humiliating for Hutch, but that's not Vivian's intention. She isn't doing it to humiliate him, even if that happens to be one of Christian's motives (and I'm not set on that, it's just a by-product that he's perfectly comfortable with).
Genuine question here, as you seem to be a, IDK how to put it...Vivian Stan?? or maybe that sounds bad. :ROFLMAO: (if so mb, not trying to be rude or offend :):)) I just genuinely wanna see your POV of the limits of Vivian, as you seem to think...she's not acting like a whore? or idk...

But do you actually think that would ever stop Christian? Like, that Vivian would ever be able to say NO to him, if he wanted/demanded any sexual favour from her??

Because IMO, as of that CH2 ending. She will do anything sexually he tells her to do. She might complain and kick up a fuss, like she usually does...But the end result will always be the same I think. She will fold to him, like a lawn chair.
I get it, but I wouldn't call myself a Vivian stan (and not just because it's not terminology I ever use!). I'm just trying to see all sides of it, trying for an impartial view I guess? I do think that she has limits though, and belittling Hutch (knowingly and intentionally) is one limit that I think she still has. The test will come if such an occasion arises that there is specifically sex in front of Hutch, outright, everyone knowing about it, or something similar to that. We will only know at that time whether it's a line that Vivian will cross, but at this point, I don't think she would - at least not without Hutch permitting it, and I don't know if that is something we'd get to. Typically, I would probably guess we'd get there, but in this game, I just don't know, as it does still manage to keep us on our toes and mostly avoid the usual tropes.
In what world is she not a whore? She literally got paid to have sex in the hotel and isn't upset about it.
I dont like women being called whores as a rule, so I get that my stance on the terminology won't fit the norm, but for me it would come down to the literal sex for payment. Here, she receives a payment for consultancy, and the hotel was "a bonus for both of them" - the contract would have been signed even if she didn't have sex, according to Christian. Absolutely you could argue that she was being paid for the sex, and I get that it's a very light grey line, but ultimately her payment was for the consultancy. There's a bit of a leap of faith in Christian's words there, and he's not exactly good for it, but there you have it.

In terms of why people are calling her a whore outside of the hotel signing, I don't buy it. She's wrong to have extra-marital sex behind her husband's back/without his approval, but that doesn't make her a whore. It makes her a bad person, or a person in a bad situation. Or as per Sunshine's summary, she's a woman with needs that were not being satisfied, and she's found a way to get what her husband can't give her. Is what she is doing right? Absolutely not (IMO), but I wouldn't call her a whore, because it's something that has very specific connotations that are covered in the paragraph above. This is where she is a bad wife, and although again it's not a word I like to use, maybe you'd call her a slut (or a hussy, if you want something that sound sa little less harsh).
(I know and fully understand that my position on that one is not going to be the common position, but that's just how I work, and that's fine.)
 

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I'm not really crapping on it in fact I like the VN. Ch2 was disappointing in some ways to me because it gave me a vibe that it was becoming a default NTR game but there still is a lot that can happen. I guess I'm just warning people to be prepared it could be just that. Less expectations could improve the overall experience. the main thing that got me thinking that was. View attachment 4934943 View attachment 4934944
This is an important point. She is learning to tell him what he wants to hear. Like "who owns you?" My feeling about the look on her face is that she is entirely disingenuous when she tells him he owns her. And that ties into my other 4 points about this last scene.

Besides which, it is not fair play to ask a question like that when your partner is about to climax. The answer you can believe is the one you get the next day when no sex is in sight. Also, "do you love me?" Not during sex, friends, no fair. I'm sure she understands that.

This woman is not the slut/bimbo she has been portrayed so far to be. We have not yet had a clear sight of the depth of her.
She cannot be more clear than the multiple times she calls him an asshole. That is what she really thinks of him. One lesson she might have needed to learn is that it is not necessary to go to an asshole to have good sex.
I got that feeling as well...that there is more here than meets the eye. We shall see.
 

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Yeah, it's so refreshing having such an unapologetically good hardcore ntr game. I can't wait for more.
It seems that the dev is inspired by a lot of Doujinshi that have actual hardcore NTR. The good shit you can find there would piss off a lot of people who hate it since over the years NTR became too vanilla/weak or is copy paste.
 
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I don't need to read anything back, but I think you might have missed the point I was making and landed somewhere adjacent. I said Vivian doesn't want to humiliate Hutch, and berates Christian when he does it a bit. Christian humiliating Hutch isn't something I've really commented on. Stuff like the sex in front of the house goes back to the old argument we had a couple of hundred pages ago - it's humiliating for Hutch, but that's not Vivian's intention. She isn't doing it to humiliate him, even if that happens to be one of Christian's motives (and I'm not set on that, it's just a by-product that he's perfectly comfortable with).

I get it, but I wouldn't call myself a Vivian stan (and not just because it's not terminology I ever use!). I'm just trying to see all sides of it, trying for an impartial view I guess? I do think that she has limits though, and belittling Hutch (knowingly and intentionally) is one limit that I think she still has. The test will come if such an occasion arises that there is specifically sex in front of Hutch, outright, everyone knowing about it, or something similar to that. We will only know at that time whether it's a line that Vivian will cross, but at this point, I don't think she would - at least not without Hutch permitting it, and I don't know if that is something we'd get to. Typically, I would probably guess we'd get there, but in this game, I just don't know, as it does still manage to keep us on our toes and mostly avoid the usual tropes.

I dont like women being called whores as a rule, so I get that my stance on the terminology won't fit the norm, but for me it would come down to the literal sex for payment. Here, she receives a payment for consultancy, and the hotel was "a bonus for both of them" - the contract would have been signed even if she didn't have sex, according to Christian. Absolutely you could argue that she was being paid for the sex, and I get that it's a very light grey line, but ultimately her payment was for the consultancy. There's a bit of a leap of faith in Christian's words there, and he's not exactly good for it, but there you have it.

In terms of why people are calling her a whore outside of the hotel signing, I don't buy it. She's wrong to have extra-marital sex behind her husband's back/without his approval, but that doesn't make her a whore. It makes her a bad person, or a person in a bad situation. Or as per Sunshine's summary, she's a woman with needs that were not being satisfied, and she's found a way to get what her husband can't give her. Is what she is doing right? Absolutely not (IMO), but I wouldn't call her a whore, because it's something that has very specific connotations that are covered in the paragraph above. This is where she is a bad wife, and although again it's not a word I like to use, maybe you'd call her a slut (or a hussy, if you want something that sound sa little less harsh).
(I know and fully understand that my position on that one is not going to be the common position, but that's just how I work, and that's fine.)
She is a whore because of the hotel scene. the rest is kind of Hutch is fault too cause he opened the marriage. The lies bother me.
 

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She is a whore because of the hotel scene. the rest is kind of Hutch is fault too cause he opened the marriage. The lies bother me.
I disagree based on my personal feelings and definitions, but completely understand why you (and indeed why many) would say so. It's just a case of different viewpoints there. They had sex, she received a payment, but she didn't receive the payment specifically for the sex. You can absolutely argue that the sex was exactly what the payment was for, but you could equally argue that it wasn't, and that's where the opinions come in.

The lies part... no argument, that's where much of the fault comes from.
 

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unfortunately she let a client have his way with her to get the paycheck/money. she is now a company escort/prostitute . she is having sex for money . that is the reality of the VN at this moment .
Not to get the paycheck. She was told not to leave until she had the signature. She did what she was told.
She did not know she was going to get a paycheck at that point.

In what world is she not a whore? She literally got paid to have sex in the hotel and isn't upset about it.
She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.

This word clearly turns her on and the act of her calling him that in those situations. You can see that also in this chapter, it gets repeated - one sign of good writing, a sort of leitmotiv actually.
She does it in scenes where she is not or about to be turned on.

lets not forget that the excuse to have sex with Christian was to save Hutch's job. Also for money.
As she reminds boss in that last scene. Boss says:

I know-I know...husband...noble sacrifice....got it.

I would say that both of them are being real at this point, and it grinds on boss that he can't win her love and she really does see him as an asshole.
 

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I don't need to read anything back, but I think you might have missed the point I was making and landed somewhere adjacent. I said Vivian doesn't want to humiliate Hutch, and berates Christian when he does it a bit. Christian humiliating Hutch isn't something I've really commented on. Stuff like the sex in front of the house goes back to the old argument we had a couple of hundred pages ago - it's humiliating for Hutch, but that's not Vivian's intention. She isn't doing it to humiliate him, even if that happens to be one of Christian's motives (and I'm not set on that, it's just a by-product that he's perfectly comfortable with).

I get it, but I wouldn't call myself a Vivian stan (and not just because it's not terminology I ever use!). I'm just trying to see all sides of it, trying for an impartial view I guess? I do think that she has limits though, and belittling Hutch (knowingly and intentionally) is one limit that I think she still has. The test will come if such an occasion arises that there is specifically sex in front of Hutch, outright, everyone knowing about it, or something similar to that. We will only know at that time whether it's a line that Vivian will cross, but at this point, I don't think she would - at least not without Hutch permitting it, and I don't know if that is something we'd get to. Typically, I would probably guess we'd get there, but in this game, I just don't know, as it does still manage to keep us on our toes and mostly avoid the usual tropes.

I dont like women being called whores as a rule, so I get that my stance on the terminology won't fit the norm, but for me it would come down to the literal sex for payment. Here, she receives a payment for consultancy, and the hotel was "a bonus for both of them" - the contract would have been signed even if she didn't have sex, according to Christian. Absolutely you could argue that she was being paid for the sex, and I get that it's a very light grey line, but ultimately her payment was for the consultancy. There's a bit of a leap of faith in Christian's words there, and he's not exactly good for it, but there you have it.

In terms of why people are calling her a whore outside of the hotel signing, I don't buy it. She's wrong to have extra-marital sex behind her husband's back/without his approval, but that doesn't make her a whore. It makes her a bad person, or a person in a bad situation. Or as per Sunshine's summary, she's a woman with needs that were not being satisfied, and she's found a way to get what her husband can't give her. Is what she is doing right? Absolutely not (IMO), but I wouldn't call her a whore, because it's something that has very specific connotations that are covered in the paragraph above. This is where she is a bad wife, and although again it's not a word I like to use, maybe you'd call her a slut (or a hussy, if you want something that sound sa little less harsh).
(I know and fully understand that my position on that one is not going to be the common position, but that's just how I work, and that's fine.)
Chat Gpt boy the contract was signed because Christian promised a bonus,and that bonus was Vivian. What are you describing is exactly the definition of a whore.She is paid for her services.And what Vivian did?
Stop being a white knight for your favorite 2d woman mate.Is a game is not real.
 
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She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.

but really quickly changed her mind I think...
 

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Chat Gpt boy the contract was signed because Christian promised a bonus,and that bonus was Vivian. What are you describing is exactly the definition of a whore.She is paid for her services.And what did Vivian did?
Stop being a white knight for your favorite 2d woman mate.Is a game is not real.
I know you're not really reading before replying, because half of what you argue has already been commented on. Either that, or you just can't comprehend what alternative viewpoints are saying, and what is said in the game.
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Christian: "You're too smart to believe we'd let a piece of pussy get in the way of a multi-million-dollar deal."
Christian: "Yours is just a one time... consulting fee."
Vivian: "Am I getting this because of..."
Christian: "You're getting it because of the information you gave me at dinner."
Christian: "I hired you to help me research our clients..."
Christian: "... and it paid off immensely."
Christian: "It really was invaluable to our success."
Christian: "What happened in his hotel room, that was just a... signing bonus.  For both of you."
Side point - she is absolutely not my favourite, and I clearly know the game isn't real. Not sure what has led you to think either of those points are right, except, you know, only reading every other word...
 

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I know you're not really reading before replying, because half of what you argue has already been commented on. Either that, or you just can't comprehend what alternative viewpoints are saying, and what is said in the game.
Code:
Christian: "You're too smart to believe we'd let a piece of pussy get in the way of a multi-million-dollar deal."
Christian: "Yours is just a one time... consulting fee."
Vivian: "Am I getting this because of..."
Christian: "You're getting it because of the information you gave me at dinner."
Christian: "I hired you to help me research our clients..."
Christian: "... and it paid off immensely."
Christian: "It really was invaluable to our success."
Christian: "What happened in his hotel room, that was just a... signing bonus.  For both of you."
Side point - she is absolutely not my favourite, and I clearly know the game isn't real. Not sure what has led you to think either of those points are right, except, you know, only reading every other word...
Ok if you don`t want to say the NO NO WORD i wont push it.
And you believe everything Christian says.Even after 2 chapters where we see how much of a slimy snake he is.
Some scene are open to a number of interpretation.
 

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I get it, but I wouldn't call myself a Vivian stan (and not just because it's not terminology I ever use!). I'm just trying to see all sides of it, trying for an impartial view I guess? I do think that she has limits though, and belittling Hutch (knowingly and intentionally) is one limit that I think she still has. The test will come if such an occasion arises that there is specifically sex in front of Hutch, outright, everyone knowing about it, or something similar to that. We will only know at that time whether it's a line that Vivian will cross, but at this point, I don't think she would - at least not without Hutch permitting it, and I don't know if that is something we'd get to. Typically, I would probably guess we'd get there, but in this game, I just don't know, as it does still manage to keep us on our toes and mostly avoid the usual tropes.
Ah I see. :)

But I mean, How is she not belittling Hutch intentionally?? Is the requirement for that, that she has to SEE he's watching with her own eyes or what?? literally look at just even HALF, of her actions in CH2. First of all, she of her own CHOICES and no coercion what so ever, literally blew, stripped naked, got thrown around naked on her own front garden, got into a small shouting match, begged Christian to fuck her, folded to him and admitted he was the best sex she's ever had, and then proceeded to get fucked silly all around his car, WHILE HUTCH was literally in the house right next to her. After she promised that "it's only dinner and nothing else will happen :cry:"...:LOL::ROFLMAO: I mean I guess you say she's burying her head in the sand and just being willfully ignorant, and acting like she still loves Hutch. And that she would never belittle him...:cry::cry: But her actions, just show otherwise. Constantly. Putting up a weak "noooooo Hutch might seeeeee us!!!:rolleyes::cry:" "I would never do anything like this if Hutch was watching!!..." It's just weak af tbh :confused:

I dont like women being called whores as a rule, so I get that my stance on the terminology won't fit the norm, but for me it would come down to the literal sex for payment.
Bro...again, just recap in your mind, the shit she has done in this last episode alone...

She did all of the above ^^ And was then left alone for like 3 days...Decided to go out to cheat (again) to "test" (whore)

She cheats once again, even giving up her anal virginity to a random dude (whore)

The reason for the above being that "She just knows she won't be able to resist giving it to Christian for much longer:cry:...."

(...W H O R E...)

And that's without factoring the other two things, enjoying getting SAed by an old men as it makes her feel so POWERFUL for one....:eek:

The whole next scene with Christian, ending with that. "I won't deny it anymore, I'm with you...:cry::)"

(sorry bro, but me thinks with the way she's acting, she's a whore/slut/hoe/whatever the fuck word you wanna use...:ROFLMAO:)
 
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[QUOTE
She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.

but really quickly changed her mind I think...
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You forgot to notice very near the end of that scene where boss mentions it again, and wife become furious and says
that they will not mention his name again...
 
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