VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[TonyMurray]

Ok if you don`t want to say the NO NO WORD i wont push it.
And you believe everything Christian says.Even after 2 chapters where we see how much of a slimy snake he is.
Some scene are open to a number of interpretation.

I definitely don't believe everything Christian says – as I said a couple of (my) posts ago: "There's a bit of a leap of faith in Christian's words there, and he's not exactly good for it, but there you have it."

However, you equally can't take it to mean that everything he says is false. At this point (and probably even after the game is complete) we won't know what Christian was being truthful about and what not. Ultimately though, Vivian is told that her payment is for consultancy. Once again, you can assume that to mean it was actually for sex, but you can also assume it to be for consultancy, and the sex was outside of it, as was specified.

As far as scenes being open to interpretation goes, you are exactly correct. I've been talking about that for a long time, before you even joined in the discussion in this thread. That's what I'm talking about you seeing things one way and me seeing them another way, so that you for confirming you understand that

 

[Dealbreaker]

(I know and fully understand that my position on that one is not going to be the common position, but that's just how I work, and that's fine.)

and that's where the opinions come in.

That's PERFECTLY fine, but can't you see that (I phrase it carefully) your positions could appear to others as to be guided by the intention to defend Vivian? (Maybe because you feel as if she got attacked too harshly) In that they are very coherent, they are not just random, but share a common motif.

 

[noahsombrero]

The whole next scene with Christian, ending with that. "I won't deny it anymore, I'm with you..."

(sorry bro, but me thinks with the way she's acting, she's a whore/slut/hoe/whatever the fuck word you wanna use...)

And then she reminds him the real reason for what she does, and boss says,
I know, I know...husband...noble sacrifice...I get it.

You are saying that you think a high school teacher might suddenly become a whore. I don't think so, not even in a dark fantasy.

 

[TonyMurray]

Ah I see.

But I mean, How is she not belittling Hutch intentionally?? Is the requirement for that, that she has to SEE he's watching with her own eyes or what?? literally look at just even HALF, of her actions in CH2. First of all, she of her own CHOICES and no coercion what so ever, literally blew, stripped naked, got thrown around naked on her own front garden, got into a small shouting match, begged Christian to fuck her, folded to him and admitted he was the best sex she's ever had, and then proceeded to get fucked silly all around his car, WHILE HUTCH was literally in the house right next to her. After she promised that "it's only dinner and nothing else will happen "... I mean I guess you say she's burying her head in the sand and just being willfully ignorant, and acting like she still loves Hutch. And that she would never belittle him... But her actions, just show otherwise. Constantly. Putting up a weak "noooooo Hutch might seeeeee us!!!" "I would never do anything like this if Hutch was watching!!..." It's just weak af tbh



Bro...again, just recap in your mind, the shit she has done in this last episode alone...

She did all of the above ^^ And was then left alone for like 3 days...Decided to go out to cheat (again) to "test" (whore)

She cheats once again, even giving up her anal virginity to a random dude (whore)

The reason for the above being that "She just knows she won't be able to resist giving it Christian for much longer...."

(...W H O R E...)

And that's without factoring the other two things, enjoying getting SAed by an old men as it makes her feel so POWERFUL for one....

The whole next scene with Christian, ending with that. "I won't deny it anymore, I'm with you..."

(sorry bro, but me thinks with the way she's acting, she's a whore/slut/hoe/whatever the fuck word you wanna use...)

I'm not going to go over the second part, as that's already been done to death today, but for the first part, it's something that was discussed (far too) heavily a couple of months ago. There's a difference between doing things that will result in Hutch being belittled/humiliated and doing things with the specific intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch.

She doesn't want to belittle Hutch, but sometimes she does want to do things (or can't/won't stop things from happening) that would result in him being belittled. I do think that it would be a line too far for her to deliberately do something with the intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch, like the typical "cuck" stuff of making him watch, making him clean her up afterwards, etc.

 

[GibboBtw]

And then she reminds him the real reason for what she does, and boss says,
I know, I know...husband...noble sacrifice...I get it.

You are saying that you think a high school teacher might suddenly become a whore. I don't think so, not even in a dark fantasy.

Yeah it's called Christian going along with her pretending, so she can lie to herself and so she doesn't feel like such a POS for doing the shit she's doing. There is no fucking way anybody can unironically say that they believe she's doing any of the shit she's doing anymore because of her "noble sacrifice for her husband" that's just a load of shit...

I'm not going to go over the second part, as that's already been done to death today, but for the first part, it's something that was discussed (far too) heavily a couple of months ago. There's a difference between doing things that will result in Hutch being belittled/humiliated and doing things with the specific intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch.

She doesn't want to belittle Hutch, but sometimes she does want to do things (or can't/won't stop things from happening) that would result in him being belittled. I do think that it would be a line too far for her to deliberately do something with the intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch, like the typical "cuck" stuff of making him watch, making him clean her up afterwards, etc.

Well wouldn't that just be a kink then or what? if she did something sexual for the SPECIFIC reason of humiliating Hutch. Then yeah, I guess I can say, she won't.

However doing something sexual that just happens to humilate Hutch, she already has a bunch, and I think she would/will do a 100 times more. She can bitch and complain all she fucking wants too, and act like she "loves" him...

But at the end of the day, "Hoe is gonna Hoe"

 

[noahsombrero]

Yeah it's called Christian going along with her pretending, so she can lie to herself and so she doesn't feel like such a POS for doing the shit she's doing. There is no fucking way anybody can unironically say that they believe she's doing any of the shit she's doing anymore because of her "noble sacrifice for her husband" that's just a load of shit...

Boss says he believes it. It is about what rapists wants to believe. If his victim's body starts to respond against her will, he interprets that as her actually wanting it. It means no such thing. And that idea allows boss to imagine that she will come to love him, and he appears to be realizing that she will not. By the look on his face as he says, "I know-I know".

 

[Alea iacta est]

Boss says he believes it. It is about what rapists wants to believe. If his victim's body starts to respond against her will, he interprets that as her actually wanting it. It means no such thing. And that idea allows boss to imagine that she will come to love him, and he appears to be realizing that she will not. By the look on his face as he says, "I know-I know".

Lol

 

[TonyMurray]

That's PERFECTLY fine, but can't you see that (I phrase it carefully) your positions could appear to others as to be guided by the intention to defend Vivian? (Maybe because you feel as if she got attacked too harshly) In that they are very coherent, they are not just random, but share a common motif.

Yes, of course. And I don't defend what Vivian has done, she's mostly (but not completely, she is not irredeemable, IMO) a horrible person for doing what she has done. I do believe that people are being unfairly harsh on her though, but maybe they just look at the game differently to me. I can see the sort of "evil cunt" response that I've seen here if I was the person married to Vivian, and it was my marriage she had done this to. For a fictional character though, where you can see both sides of it (or at least, mostly her side, at the moment), I think it's a bit harsh. In that respect, I'm just trying to see a sort of middle ground, I guess, not taking one side over the other, because I don't think this is a game of two (or more) sides, it's more nuanced than that.

Sticking on specifically Vivian, and favouritism, I think she is a fascinating character, and is really well portrayed by the dev (which is the case for most of the characters here, once we get to spend enough time with them to judge). She is absolutely not a favourite though. I can't think of a list that I would put her in the top ten of, except maybe a "Mom/Wife Next Door" list, where it's "normal" hot ladies instead of the typical pornstar/supermodel bombshells. She'd probably do quite well in that one, along with Emily from Intertwined, maybe Martha from My Dorm, and I can't think of any other great ones off the top of my head (but probably will two mintes after posting this...).

Personality-wise though, I couldn't say, as I have never really done any judging or comparing based on that across games. I would say that Vivian has that "character you love to hate" thing down pat though. Love her or hate her, you have to tip your hat to the dev for giving her to us, whether you do it freely or begrudgingly. I mean, what other character has generated this much chat in such a short space of time? And I think it was you, Dealbreaker, who rightly commented the other day how it always seems directed at Vivian and never at Christian.

 

[Luc77]

it seems to me that the SC Stories knows a little more about life than the vast majority of the “critics” here...

 

[GibboBtw]

Boss says he believes it. It is about what rapists wants to believe. If his victim's body starts to respond against her will, he interprets that as her actually wanting it. It means no such thing. And that idea allows boss to imagine that she will come to love him, and he appears to be realizing that she will not. By the look on his face as he says, "I know-I know".

 

[Luc77]

Maybe Vi is discovering what all the incels are saying - that she can use her ass to manipulate men (Christian, investors) - and that gives her power. She stops being a material and becomes a creator. We will see in the next installments. The story has no equal in its category (or even - stories for adult and mature readers)

 

[Dirtydan6996]

if it is kinetic, why didn't you go for a comic. i don't get why you used a game engine for this.

 

[noahsombrero]

Maybe Vi is discovering what all the incels are saying - that she can use her ass to manipulate men (Christian, investors) - and that gives her power. She stops being a material and becomes a creator. We will see in the next installments. The story has no equal in its category (or even - stories for adult and mature readers)

Agreed, she is discovering things about herself and men too probably. I don't think she really wants to manipulate men. She wants to love and be loved as she continues to attempt to return to with husband.

 

[Luc77]

if it is kinetic, why didn't you go for a comic. i don't get why you used a game engine for this.

I don't understand what you're asking, the engine gives unique possibilities - somewhere between a book and a movie.


I would say that the engine is rather created for the KN and not for the game.

 

[Luc77]

As I mentioned before - the story has many layers, like an onion . Simple minds will only pick up what's on top, more life-savvy readers-gamers will find other issues (besides sex scenes) that will interest them. The relativity of the whole issue, the importance of events, the translation into consequences, their own responsibility and role (depending on who they could identify with) - and everyone will be right. Duke with his whores, and someone who will lean in and look for the motivation of the characters, the genesis of the events. A truism - but life writes scripts that screenwriters never dreamed of

 

[Dealbreaker]

A story is always bigger than each of its characters. It has to be maximally ruthless against those characters, it has to crucify them if necessary for the higher good of the quality of the narrative. The best author has no sympathies for his/her characters which could interfere with this principle, has no favorites, must not fall in love or hate with his/her own creations - he then loses the power to do what he has to do with them for the sake of quality. His only loyalty has to lie with the story and what it demands to be done. If the story compromises and does things to make a certain character more happy or look better or rmore likeable for the audience, it hurts its own integrity.
And our attitude as audience should ideally reflect that, that differentiates us from "fandom".
(Just saying this in general of course, nothing to do with any position here, not meaning anybody here)

 

[Luc77]

Of course - I love Vi, but without blinking an eye I will accept the “death sentence on her” if the story requires it.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Of course - I love Vi, but without blinking an eye I will accept the “death sentence on her” if the story requires it

Yes, I know, and I didn't mean you or Tony or anybody, just a general observation, it's a trap everybody can fall into anytime.

 

[Luc77]

Yes, I know, and I didn't mean you or Tony or anybody, just a general observation, it's a trap everybody can fall into anytime.

is a sickness of serials, and stories designed to extract money from codependents (sometimes called suckers)

 

[Luc77]

I see that the initial excitement after the release of the 2nd part has subsided, and the logical dissection of the story can be addressed There are a few questions and doubts to ask in anticipation of the 3rd part.