VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[TonyMurray]

She is a whore because of the hotel scene. the rest is kind of Hutch is fault too cause he opened the marriage. The lies bother me.

I disagree based on my personal feelings and definitions, but completely understand why you (and indeed why many) would say so. It's just a case of different viewpoints there. They had sex, she received a payment, but she didn't receive the payment specifically for the sex. You can absolutely argue that the sex was exactly what the payment was for, but you could equally argue that it wasn't, and that's where the opinions come in.

The lies part... no argument, that's where much of the fault comes from.

 

[noahsombrero]

unfortunately she let a client have his way with her to get the paycheck/money. she is now a company escort/prostitute . she is having sex for money . that is the reality of the VN at this moment .

Not to get the paycheck. She was told not to leave until she had the signature. She did what she was told.
She did not know she was going to get a paycheck at that point.

In what world is she not a whore? She literally got paid to have sex in the hotel and isn't upset about it.

She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.

This word clearly turns her on and the act of her calling him that in those situations. You can see that also in this chapter, it gets repeated - one sign of good writing, a sort of leitmotiv actually.

She does it in scenes where she is not or about to be turned on.

lets not forget that the excuse to have sex with Christian was to save Hutch's job. Also for money.

As she reminds boss in that last scene. Boss says:

I know-I know...husband...noble sacrifice....got it.

I would say that both of them are being real at this point, and it grinds on boss that he can't win her love and she really does see him as an asshole.

 

[Funcle]

I don't need to read anything back, but I think you might have missed the point I was making and landed somewhere adjacent. I said Vivian doesn't want to humiliate Hutch, and berates Christian when he does it a bit. Christian humiliating Hutch isn't something I've really commented on. Stuff like the sex in front of the house goes back to the old argument we had a couple of hundred pages ago - it's humiliating for Hutch, but that's not Vivian's intention. She isn't doing it to humiliate him, even if that happens to be one of Christian's motives (and I'm not set on that, it's just a by-product that he's perfectly comfortable with).

I get it, but I wouldn't call myself a Vivian stan (and not just because it's not terminology I ever use!). I'm just trying to see all sides of it, trying for an impartial view I guess? I do think that she has limits though, and belittling Hutch (knowingly and intentionally) is one limit that I think she still has. The test will come if such an occasion arises that there is specifically sex in front of Hutch, outright, everyone knowing about it, or something similar to that. We will only know at that time whether it's a line that Vivian will cross, but at this point, I don't think she would - at least not without Hutch permitting it, and I don't know if that is something we'd get to. Typically, I would probably guess we'd get there, but in this game, I just don't know, as it does still manage to keep us on our toes and mostly avoid the usual tropes.

I dont like women being called whores as a rule, so I get that my stance on the terminology won't fit the norm, but for me it would come down to the literal sex for payment. Here, she receives a payment for consultancy, and the hotel was "a bonus for both of them" - the contract would have been signed even if she didn't have sex, according to Christian. Absolutely you could argue that she was being paid for the sex, and I get that it's a very light grey line, but ultimately her payment was for the consultancy. There's a bit of a leap of faith in Christian's words there, and he's not exactly good for it, but there you have it.

In terms of why people are calling her a whore outside of the hotel signing, I don't buy it. She's wrong to have extra-marital sex behind her husband's back/without his approval, but that doesn't make her a whore. It makes her a bad person, or a person in a bad situation. Or as per Sunshine's summary, she's a woman with needs that were not being satisfied, and she's found a way to get what her husband can't give her. Is what she is doing right? Absolutely not (IMO), but I wouldn't call her a whore, because it's something that has very specific connotations that are covered in the paragraph above. This is where she is a bad wife, and although again it's not a word I like to use, maybe you'd call her a slut (or a hussy, if you want something that sound sa little less harsh).
(I know and fully understand that my position on that one is not going to be the common position, but that's just how I work, and that's fine.)

Chat Gpt boy the contract was signed because Christian promised a bonus,and that bonus was Vivian. What are you describing is exactly the definition of a whore.She is paid for her services.And what Vivian did?
Stop being a white knight for your favorite 2d woman mate.Is a game is not real.

 

[happy_cat]

She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.

but really quickly changed her mind I think...

 

[TonyMurray]

Chat Gpt boy the contract was signed because Christian promised a bonus,and that bonus was Vivian. What are you describing is exactly the definition of a whore.She is paid for her services.And what did Vivian did?
Stop being a white knight for your favorite 2d woman mate.Is a game is not real.

I know you're not really reading before replying, because half of what you argue has already been commented on. Either that, or you just can't comprehend what alternative viewpoints are saying, and what is said in the game.

Christian: "You're too smart to believe we'd let a piece of pussy get in the way of a multi-million-dollar deal."
Christian: "Yours is just a one time... consulting fee."
Vivian: "Am I getting this because of..."
Christian: "You're getting it because of the information you gave me at dinner."
Christian: "I hired you to help me research our clients..."
Christian: "... and it paid off immensely."
Christian: "It really was invaluable to our success."
Christian: "What happened in his hotel room, that was just a... signing bonus.  For both of you."

Side point - she is absolutely not my favourite, and I clearly know the game isn't real. Not sure what has led you to think either of those points are right, except, you know, only reading every other word...

 

[Funcle]

I know you're not really reading before replying, because half of what you argue has already been commented on. Either that, or you just can't comprehend what alternative viewpoints are saying, and what is said in the game.

Christian: "You're too smart to believe we'd let a piece of pussy get in the way of a multi-million-dollar deal."
Christian: "Yours is just a one time... consulting fee."
Vivian: "Am I getting this because of..."
Christian: "You're getting it because of the information you gave me at dinner."
Christian: "I hired you to help me research our clients..."
Christian: "... and it paid off immensely."
Christian: "It really was invaluable to our success."
Christian: "What happened in his hotel room, that was just a... signing bonus.  For both of you."

Side point - she is absolutely not my favourite, and I clearly know the game isn't real. Not sure what has led you to think either of those points are right, except, you know, only reading every other word...

Ok if you don`t want to say the NO NO WORD i wont push it.
And you believe everything Christian says.Even after 2 chapters where we see how much of a slimy snake he is.
Some scene are open to a number of interpretation.

 

[Dealbreaker]

She does it in scenes where she is not or about to be turned on.

Have a look again at the bathroom scene in chapter 1 and go from there.

 

[GibboBtw]

I get it, but I wouldn't call myself a Vivian stan (and not just because it's not terminology I ever use!). I'm just trying to see all sides of it, trying for an impartial view I guess? I do think that she has limits though, and belittling Hutch (knowingly and intentionally) is one limit that I think she still has. The test will come if such an occasion arises that there is specifically sex in front of Hutch, outright, everyone knowing about it, or something similar to that. We will only know at that time whether it's a line that Vivian will cross, but at this point, I don't think she would - at least not without Hutch permitting it, and I don't know if that is something we'd get to. Typically, I would probably guess we'd get there, but in this game, I just don't know, as it does still manage to keep us on our toes and mostly avoid the usual tropes.

Ah I see.

But I mean, How is she not belittling Hutch intentionally?? Is the requirement for that, that she has to SEE he's watching with her own eyes or what?? literally look at just even HALF, of her actions in CH2. First of all, she of her own CHOICES and no coercion what so ever, literally blew, stripped naked, got thrown around naked on her own front garden, got into a small shouting match, begged Christian to fuck her, folded to him and admitted he was the best sex she's ever had, and then proceeded to get fucked silly all around his car, WHILE HUTCH was literally in the house right next to her. After she promised that "it's only dinner and nothing else will happen "... I mean I guess you say she's burying her head in the sand and just being willfully ignorant, and acting like she still loves Hutch. And that she would never belittle him... But her actions, just show otherwise. Constantly. Putting up a weak "noooooo Hutch might seeeeee us!!!" "I would never do anything like this if Hutch was watching!!..." It's just weak af tbh

I dont like women being called whores as a rule, so I get that my stance on the terminology won't fit the norm, but for me it would come down to the literal sex for payment.

Bro...again, just recap in your mind, the shit she has done in this last episode alone...

She did all of the above ^^ And was then left alone for like 3 days...Decided to go out to cheat (again) to "test" (whore)

She cheats once again, even giving up her anal virginity to a random dude (whore)

The reason for the above being that "She just knows she won't be able to resist giving it to Christian for much longer...."

(...W H O R E...)

And that's without factoring the other two things, enjoying getting SAed by an old men as it makes her feel so POWERFUL for one....

The whole next scene with Christian, ending with that. "I won't deny it anymore, I'm with you..."

(sorry bro, but me thinks with the way she's acting, she's a whore/slut/hoe/whatever the fuck word you wanna use...)

 

[noahsombrero]

[QUOTE
She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.

but really quickly changed her mind I think...
[/QUOTE]

You forgot to notice very near the end of that scene where boss mentions it again, and wife become furious and says
that they will not mention his name again...

 

[TonyMurray]

Ok if you don`t want to say the NO NO WORD i wont push it.
And you believe everything Christian says.Even after 2 chapters where we see how much of a slimy snake he is.
Some scene are open to a number of interpretation.

I definitely don't believe everything Christian says – as I said a couple of (my) posts ago: "There's a bit of a leap of faith in Christian's words there, and he's not exactly good for it, but there you have it."

However, you equally can't take it to mean that everything he says is false. At this point (and probably even after the game is complete) we won't know what Christian was being truthful about and what not. Ultimately though, Vivian is told that her payment is for consultancy. Once again, you can assume that to mean it was actually for sex, but you can also assume it to be for consultancy, and the sex was outside of it, as was specified.

As far as scenes being open to interpretation goes, you are exactly correct. I've been talking about that for a long time, before you even joined in the discussion in this thread. That's what I'm talking about you seeing things one way and me seeing them another way, so that you for confirming you understand that

 

[Dealbreaker]

(I know and fully understand that my position on that one is not going to be the common position, but that's just how I work, and that's fine.)

and that's where the opinions come in.

That's PERFECTLY fine, but can't you see that (I phrase it carefully) your positions could appear to others as to be guided by the intention to defend Vivian? (Maybe because you feel as if she got attacked too harshly) In that they are very coherent, they are not just random, but share a common motif.

 

[noahsombrero]

The whole next scene with Christian, ending with that. "I won't deny it anymore, I'm with you..."

(sorry bro, but me thinks with the way she's acting, she's a whore/slut/hoe/whatever the fuck word you wanna use...)

And then she reminds him the real reason for what she does, and boss says,
I know, I know...husband...noble sacrifice...I get it.

You are saying that you think a high school teacher might suddenly become a whore. I don't think so, not even in a dark fantasy.

 

[TonyMurray]

Ah I see.

But I mean, How is she not belittling Hutch intentionally?? Is the requirement for that, that she has to SEE he's watching with her own eyes or what?? literally look at just even HALF, of her actions in CH2. First of all, she of her own CHOICES and no coercion what so ever, literally blew, stripped naked, got thrown around naked on her own front garden, got into a small shouting match, begged Christian to fuck her, folded to him and admitted he was the best sex she's ever had, and then proceeded to get fucked silly all around his car, WHILE HUTCH was literally in the house right next to her. After she promised that "it's only dinner and nothing else will happen "... I mean I guess you say she's burying her head in the sand and just being willfully ignorant, and acting like she still loves Hutch. And that she would never belittle him... But her actions, just show otherwise. Constantly. Putting up a weak "noooooo Hutch might seeeeee us!!!" "I would never do anything like this if Hutch was watching!!..." It's just weak af tbh



Bro...again, just recap in your mind, the shit she has done in this last episode alone...

She did all of the above ^^ And was then left alone for like 3 days...Decided to go out to cheat (again) to "test" (whore)

She cheats once again, even giving up her anal virginity to a random dude (whore)

The reason for the above being that "She just knows she won't be able to resist giving it Christian for much longer...."

(...W H O R E...)

And that's without factoring the other two things, enjoying getting SAed by an old men as it makes her feel so POWERFUL for one....

The whole next scene with Christian, ending with that. "I won't deny it anymore, I'm with you..."

(sorry bro, but me thinks with the way she's acting, she's a whore/slut/hoe/whatever the fuck word you wanna use...)

I'm not going to go over the second part, as that's already been done to death today, but for the first part, it's something that was discussed (far too) heavily a couple of months ago. There's a difference between doing things that will result in Hutch being belittled/humiliated and doing things with the specific intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch.

She doesn't want to belittle Hutch, but sometimes she does want to do things (or can't/won't stop things from happening) that would result in him being belittled. I do think that it would be a line too far for her to deliberately do something with the intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch, like the typical "cuck" stuff of making him watch, making him clean her up afterwards, etc.

 

[GibboBtw]

And then she reminds him the real reason for what she does, and boss says,
I know, I know...husband...noble sacrifice...I get it.

You are saying that you think a high school teacher might suddenly become a whore. I don't think so, not even in a dark fantasy.

Yeah it's called Christian going along with her pretending, so she can lie to herself and so she doesn't feel like such a POS for doing the shit she's doing. There is no fucking way anybody can unironically say that they believe she's doing any of the shit she's doing anymore because of her "noble sacrifice for her husband" that's just a load of shit...

I'm not going to go over the second part, as that's already been done to death today, but for the first part, it's something that was discussed (far too) heavily a couple of months ago. There's a difference between doing things that will result in Hutch being belittled/humiliated and doing things with the specific intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch.

She doesn't want to belittle Hutch, but sometimes she does want to do things (or can't/won't stop things from happening) that would result in him being belittled. I do think that it would be a line too far for her to deliberately do something with the intention of belittling/humiliating Hutch, like the typical "cuck" stuff of making him watch, making him clean her up afterwards, etc.

Well wouldn't that just be a kink then or what? if she did something sexual for the SPECIFIC reason of humiliating Hutch. Then yeah, I guess I can say, she won't.

However doing something sexual that just happens to humilate Hutch, she already has a bunch, and I think she would/will do a 100 times more. She can bitch and complain all she fucking wants too, and act like she "loves" him...

But at the end of the day, "Hoe is gonna Hoe"

 

[noahsombrero]

Yeah it's called Christian going along with her pretending, so she can lie to herself and so she doesn't feel like such a POS for doing the shit she's doing. There is no fucking way anybody can unironically say that they believe she's doing any of the shit she's doing anymore because of her "noble sacrifice for her husband" that's just a load of shit...

Boss says he believes it. It is about what rapists wants to believe. If his victim's body starts to respond against her will, he interprets that as her actually wanting it. It means no such thing. And that idea allows boss to imagine that she will come to love him, and he appears to be realizing that she will not. By the look on his face as he says, "I know-I know".

 

[Alea iacta est]

Boss says he believes it. It is about what rapists wants to believe. If his victim's body starts to respond against her will, he interprets that as her actually wanting it. It means no such thing. And that idea allows boss to imagine that she will come to love him, and he appears to be realizing that she will not. By the look on his face as he says, "I know-I know".

Lol

 

[TonyMurray]

That's PERFECTLY fine, but can't you see that (I phrase it carefully) your positions could appear to others as to be guided by the intention to defend Vivian? (Maybe because you feel as if she got attacked too harshly) In that they are very coherent, they are not just random, but share a common motif.

Yes, of course. And I don't defend what Vivian has done, she's mostly (but not completely, she is not irredeemable, IMO) a horrible person for doing what she has done. I do believe that people are being unfairly harsh on her though, but maybe they just look at the game differently to me. I can see the sort of "evil cunt" response that I've seen here if I was the person married to Vivian, and it was my marriage she had done this to. For a fictional character though, where you can see both sides of it (or at least, mostly her side, at the moment), I think it's a bit harsh. In that respect, I'm just trying to see a sort of middle ground, I guess, not taking one side over the other, because I don't think this is a game of two (or more) sides, it's more nuanced than that.

Sticking on specifically Vivian, and favouritism, I think she is a fascinating character, and is really well portrayed by the dev (which is the case for most of the characters here, once we get to spend enough time with them to judge). She is absolutely not a favourite though. I can't think of a list that I would put her in the top ten of, except maybe a "Mom/Wife Next Door" list, where it's "normal" hot ladies instead of the typical pornstar/supermodel bombshells. She'd probably do quite well in that one, along with Emily from Intertwined, maybe Martha from My Dorm, and I can't think of any other great ones off the top of my head (but probably will two mintes after posting this...).

Personality-wise though, I couldn't say, as I have never really done any judging or comparing based on that across games. I would say that Vivian has that "character you love to hate" thing down pat though. Love her or hate her, you have to tip your hat to the dev for giving her to us, whether you do it freely or begrudgingly. I mean, what other character has generated this much chat in such a short space of time? And I think it was you, Dealbreaker, who rightly commented the other day how it always seems directed at Vivian and never at Christian.

 

[Luc77]

it seems to me that the SC Stories knows a little more about life than the vast majority of the “critics” here...

 

[GibboBtw]

Boss says he believes it. It is about what rapists wants to believe. If his victim's body starts to respond against her will, he interprets that as her actually wanting it. It means no such thing. And that idea allows boss to imagine that she will come to love him, and he appears to be realizing that she will not. By the look on his face as he says, "I know-I know".

 

[Luc77]

Maybe Vi is discovering what all the incels are saying - that she can use her ass to manipulate men (Christian, investors) - and that gives her power. She stops being a material and becomes a creator. We will see in the next installments. The story has no equal in its category (or even - stories for adult and mature readers)