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So because she's getting older and is insecure about her attractiveness that gives her a free pass to bang everyone and the cop out excuse that she may use to pardon herself is that she was worried about Hutch running away with Addison?
She is not banging everyone and the cop.

Stop deflecting, Vivian isn't being abused or humiliated, she activitily participating, in the last scene of Pt2 she admits to Christian that she loves being a whore, she loves being abused, it makes her feel alive and powerful, it makes her feel that she can overcome anything.
She did not admit to boss that she loves being abused, loves being a whore. What she said is this must not happen again with rage and fury. She makes this point 3 times by my count in different ways. She has drawn her line. I fully expect boss to cross it. Does wife finally get the picture? Only SC knows. Too bad us players are not in charge of when she gets smart.

I would have husband moving to topeka, wife spending a year in chaste mourning and soul searching, and boss gets married to his niece. But that would not be a porn story.

Why would boss do that? Let's see, officegirl gets pregnant, brother steps in with his shotgun and says alright, fucker. Go to Nevada if necessary but you are going to marry her.
 
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She is not banging everyone and the cop.



She did not admit to boss that she loves being abused, loves being a whore. What she said is this must not happen again with rage and fury. She makes this point 3 times by my count in different ways. She has drawn her line. I fully expect boss to cross it. Does wife finally get the picture? Only SC knows. Too bad us players are not in charge of when she gets smart.

I would have husband moving to topeka, wife spending a year in chaste mourning and soul searching, and boss gets married to his niece. But that would not be a porn story.
Did you miss the bit where she explains the effect it had on her?
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 Christian: "What did you want from him right then? Did you want him to stop?"
 Vivian: "No..."
 Christian: "Did you want him to be gentle?"
 Vivian: "No... I... uh... I WANTED IT HARD... ROUGH... VIOLENT!"
 Vivian: "I wanted him to abuse me! I wanted him to break me! I deserved it and I wanted it!"
 Christian: "And how was he?"
 Vivian: "He was all those things. He used me like the cheap whore I am."
 Vivian: "He had his way with me, signed the papers, and kicked me out of his hotel room before I could even finish dressing."
 Vivian: "I've never felt so used... even by you."
 Christian: "When it was over, what did you feel?"
 Vivian: "I felt... Satisfaction!"
 Vivian: "He tried to break me... but he couldn't! YOU COULDN'T!"
 Vivian: "I felt... POWERFUL!"
 Vivian: "I felt... INVINCIBLE!"
 Christian: "Tell me!"
 Vivian: "In an instant I no longer felt afraid... of anything."
 Vivian: "I felt like there was no challenge in the world I couldn't overcome."
 

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I don't see wife's lies, hypocrisy, and betrayals as the important part of this story. The important part is her struggle to make sense of her life, and how she is likely to fail at that. Tragedy in the ancient Greek sense.

What I see here, is you guys repeatedly dumping on wife right now. I don't know what you have said in the past, and I don't think it excuses the dumping now.
Just because a person wants to ignore an important part of a story, does not mean it is not an important part of the story. The story is titled, "My Husband's Boss" and it is about a wife cheating on her husband WITH HIS BOSS, but you feel her lies, betrayals, and hypocrisy are not important parts of the story. So the primary source of drama and conflict aren't important to the story according to you. That does not make any sense, but it is clear that this is what you are saying.

Your previous comments on some of my posts are what prompted me to make some of my recent posts about Vivian because your posts, in my opinion, seemed to justify Christian's abusive behavior of Vivian. You were basically saying that his mistreating her was not abuse, and that it was a good thing. Below is a screenshot of your reply to one of my posts.

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In my post above, which only a small portion was quoted in your reply, I detailed how Christian was abusing and degrading Vivian, which I also said that I was against. You wrote in your reply to my post, " Wife might very well have the perspective to not consider herself degraded and humiliated. She was making choices and getting desired results..." In other words, she is not being abused. When Christian humiliates her by throwing her off his lap, throwing her naked out of his car, telling her to admit that she enjoys being degraded, hands her over to Mr Reese (Harvey Weintstein in essence) to be assaulted, telling Vivian she is his property, and Mr. Reese can spit on her and degrade her anyway he wishes, this isn't a boyfriend abusing his girlfriend. Instead, according to what you said here, she appreciates what he is doing, and he is giving her what she needs. I objected to this characterization of the situation, and this prompted me to give evidence as to why what you wrote was not true.

You also wrote that Vivian and Christian are not lovers, despite the fact that they keep having sex with each other. That does not make any sense. You wrote that Vivian calling Christian an asshole was proof they were not lovers, despite it being clear that she said it affectionately the first time. Also, calling someone an asshole, even if it was in anger would not mean they could not be lovers.

Here is a screenshot of your reply to another of my posts.


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Here you seem to be implying that Vivian's behavior in this situation is somehow turning the tables on Christian. The events in the scene in question included him telling her Mr. Reese could do anything he wanted to her, Christian telling her she was his property, and other insulting and degrading things. He was basically telling her you are my toy and I can do whatever I want with you, and for the most part, she agreed with it. I said it before, and I will say it again, Vivian's descent into loosing herself and becoming a shell of her former self, could be the darker ending the author referred to. It could also refer to Hutch (becoming a broken man and shell of himself), or it could refer to both Vivian and Hutch.
 

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So because she's getting older and is insecure about her attractiveness that gives her a free pass to bang everyone and the cop out excuse that she may use to pardon herself is that she was worried about Hutch running away with Addison?

Stop deflecting, Vivian isn't being abused or humiliated, she activitily participating, in the last scene of Pt2 she admits to Christian that she loves being a whore, she loves being abused, it makes her feel alive and powerful, it makes her feel that she can overcome anything.

Let's say in a real life scenario, if you were married to a women like Vivian and she was openly humiliating you publically and in private with her self-indulgent sexual escapdes, she was banging everyone you knew, with the excuse that she needs to it to feel wanted, loved and respected and to protect you because she has no respect for you and she feels that you not capable of looking after yourself , would you really keep her as your wife, while everyone around you is laughing at you for how pathetic and weak you are
If you read my other posts, you should know that I don't give Vivian a free pass. I already said, more than once, that I am OK with Vivian losing her marriage, her reputation, the respect of her son, and her comfortable lifestyle because of her betrayals, lies, and hypocrisy. I am not OK with her being degraded and humiliated by Christian. It is obvious that some people on this forum cannot understand nuance or that 2 things can be true at the same time. A person can be an abuser and be abused at the same time. For example an abused wife could abuse her children. Her being abused would not justify her abusing her children, and her abuse of her children would not negate her being abused. If the police found out, they would arrest them both. The husband for beating his wife, and the wife for beating the kids. In order to believe that Vivian enjoys being abused, you would have to ignore her facial expressions and behavior. You would also have to be oblivious to Christian's manipulations. It is well established that victims can begin to identify with or even fall in love with people who harm them. It is called Stockholm Syndrome. It was named after a specific situation where a group of hostages identified with their hostage takers.
 
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Did you miss the bit where she explains the effect it had on her?
Code:
 Christian: "What did you want from him right then? Did you want him to stop?"
Vivian: "No..."
Christian: "Did you want him to be gentle?"
Vivian: "No... I... uh... I WANTED IT HARD... ROUGH... VIOLENT!"
Vivian: "I wanted him to abuse me! I wanted him to break me! I deserved it and I wanted it!"
Christian: "And how was he?"
Vivian: "He was all those things. He used me like the cheap whore I am."
Vivian: "He had his way with me, signed the papers, and kicked me out of his hotel room before I could even finish dressing."
Vivian: "I've never felt so used... even by you."
Christian: "When it was over, what did you feel?"
Vivian: "I felt... Satisfaction!"
Vivian: "He tried to break me... but he couldn't! YOU COULDN'T!"
Vivian: "I felt... POWERFUL!"
Vivian: "I felt... INVINCIBLE!"
Christian: "Tell me!"
Vivian: "In an instant I no longer felt afraid... of anything."
Vivian: "I felt like there was no challenge in the world I couldn't overcome."
Right, she said he wanted him to break her. What she also said when she stormed into his house and a couple of times later is that this will not happen again. She is in rage. She also wants him to show that he loves her. Her feelings are so complex.

What she feels satisfied about is that he tried to break her and he could not. She goes so far as to say that even *you* cannot break me. She has passed through the fire and come out victorious. This victory shows her that none of her self accusations were true, she is not a whore, she does not deserve abuse. She is strong.

It is yet to be seen whether she can be broken.
 

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In order to believe that Vivian enjoys being abused, you would have to ignore her facial expressions and behavior. You would also have to be oblivious to Christian's manipulations. It is well established that victims can begin to identify with or even fall in love with people who harm them. It is called Stockholm Syndrome. It was named after a specific situation where a group of hostages identified with their hostage takers.
I don't know if I would go that far, to go in the direction of Stockholm Syndrome. It was and is closely connected to acute and real/perceived life danger. It's essential in general here in the game that there is no violence involved or any threatening with violence.
I have to admit that in the context of ch 1 I wouldn't have thought of the concept of abuse to be honest (apart form a very general understanding of abuse of a position of power perhaps, more against Hutch). I still have to think about it here in ch 2. In order to have real psychological power over her in the sense of an abuisve relationship where he uses his leverage, the boss would have had to establish this relationship. The Weinstein analogy would mean that she feels dependent on him concerning her financial or career existence which should not be the case after what she heard at the dinner from him. But I have to think more about that. Abuse in a very general sense of being mean and degrading - for sure.
 
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Here you seem to be implying that Vivian's behavior in this situation is somehow turning the tables on Christian.
True, I have changed my mind as I continue to think about this deep dark story. It is true that she feels she is learning to deal with him. The problem is that she does not begin to see the depth of his treachery. This is where she really fails. Her lack of life experience leaves her at the mercy of a guy like boss. Lack of experience is not her fault. She will be getting that soon.

My experience.: at 45 I don't suspect I knew much more than she does. I spent those years in university and developing employment, like her. In the 35 years since I have learned more about life than the first 45. It is not fair for me to expect more wisdom from her.
 
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Really digging butt cleavage after this

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This scene reminded me of the time I was at this very nice restaurant and this woman walked in wearing a sheer white slip masquerading as a dress. I shit you not. Completely see through. She was only wearing a thong underneath. She could carry it off, but it was something. It was a small place, and you could just see and feel everyone's reaction. Subsequently, she was the topic of many a dinner conversation. Most likely what she wanted. So, if you think women don't wear things like this out...some do.
 

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Right, she said he wanted him to break her. What she also said when she stormed into his house and a couple of times later is that this will not happen again. She is in rage. She also wants him to show that he loves her. Her feelings are so complex.

What she feels satisfied about is that he tried to break her and he could not. She goes so far as to say that even *you* cannot break me. She has passed through the fire and come out victorious. This victory shows her that none of her self accusations were true, she is not a whore, she does not deserve abuse. She is strong.

It is yet to be seen whether she can be broken.
Agreed. I have stated quite a few times on these forums that I suspect complexity masquerading as a simple "slut" story as some champion on here. Could very well prove to be wrong, but I think there's more to Vivian despite SC Stories claiming she is "not interesting." Christian is just too smug. He is ripe for a fall. Does Vivian, now empowered, be the architect of his fall? Is this just a journey of sexual awakening for her? Does this force Hutch to examine his life? Maybe his journey is just beginning. Will he find his power? Again, I suspect there is more to him than some claim. He has leverage.... more than he thinks. There are enough nuggets strewn through both chapters too see Hutch seize the day. We shall see...
 

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My comment in no way supports their love story.
Here's your posts

Seven times that night, all the way to sunrise. As good as a honeymoon. Yes, this is their love story. There might be one or two, but 7 will not happen without some feeling behind it. There needs to be a joy in it, a feeling of this is real I want all I can get. Even though wife is probably not ready to admit that to herself yet. That will come later.
But the thing to notice is her response to the feeling of being loved. It was what she was missing before from him, and it makes her so happy to have it.

Also you are making no sense when talking about the VN's stablished narrative
Here's your post
Wife's question to boss was whether he tried to convince husband to leave her and get a divorce.
When did she ask that?? She was asking whether Christian manipulated Hutch so he would agree to her working from him and be open about their relationship.
Concerning officegirl. I am replaying part 1 now, and I did see that shock of hair in bed with boss when he sent the pic to wife. Of course that could be anybody's hair from what we saw. Maybe even a trans guy. Thinking that it could be officegirl is simply too weird for me. Boss is going to be in deep shit with his brother if that is the case.

It might even be that boss meant for wife to notice the hair and realize the implication. I don't think she did though.

Oh, shit. Noticing how cheery officegirl greets wife when she comes to see boss at the office. Layers within layers.
At this point I'm pretty sure you are not reading the VN much. You just played some part and start imagining things and then post them here.


You also seem to skip most sentences from a post/comment. You see a word and go gun blazing on it.
My post below:
I always thought reading those stories/games "HEY I've been a model citizen for some time so can I get away now with robbing a BANK"
Your reply:
Wife does not claim to be or have been a model anything.
When did I say this about Vivian (the wife). I was talking about other stories.

Same goes for this also

She is not banging everyone and the cop.
When did he say she is banging the cop??
free pass to bang everyone and the cop out excuse that she may use to pardon herself
 
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True, I have changed my mind as I continue to think about this deep dark story. It is true that she feels she is learning to deal with him. The problem is that she does not begin to see the depth of his treachery. This is where she really fails. Her lack of life experience leaves her at the mercy of a guy like boss. Lack of experience is not her fault. She will be getting that soon.

My experience.: at 45 I don't suspect I knew much more than she does. I spent those years in university and developing employment, like her. In the 35 years since I have learned more about life than the first 45. It is not fair for me to expect more wisdom from her.
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Christian took her outside and she quickly dropped her panties, Christian led her by the hand ( in front of her husband) into his room, she didn't try to resist. She fucks Christian in the bathroom and tells him that hes he hes a great lover, while putting her husband down. she intitated the blowjob in the car and the sex afterwards, she cant get enough of his cock, shes a whore, looking after her own long-term intested and using sex to do it. Christain is victorious, he broke her, she wont admit it but her actions say otherwise. she keeps phoning him she keeps running back to him and in the end admits "I belong to you now" Christian has broken her and is victorious
i think it went a tad different but you got most of it right.. the thing is this is about money.MONEY! vivian would have never got turned out if the paycheck didnt get threatened.. now is she enjoying her new life OH YEAH! but for christian to keep this ride going he is going to have to keep the money rolling in. she is being paid now also . an dont think for a second that doesnt influence her legs staying closed, well mostly open for clients . the only reason she went to the office in the beginning was MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY A hoe gotta eat ..
 

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noahsombrero said:
My comment in no way supports their love story.
Here's your posts
I was responding to your reply where you said you did not understand and I seem to defending their love story. I have said a number of times that I think she is making a very bad choice with him.

It is true that I have changed my mind about a lot of what you quote following. I think more now that is is simply about her love story with a rotten guy. Seven times until sunrise. That says a lot about her. About him, I really don't know how he performs generally.

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But the thing to notice is her response to the feeling of being loved. It was what she was missing before from him, and it makes her so happy to have it.
This is about her. Yes, she believes that he has expressed love for her. As husband says, sex is her love language. His gentle loving makes her happy.

Also you are making no sense when talking about the VN's stablished narrative
Here's your post
noahsombrero said:
Wife's question to boss was whether he tried to convince husband to leave her and get a divorce.
When did she ask that?? She was asking whether Christian manipulated Hutch so he would agree to her working from him and be open about their relationship.
After husband convinces her to continue with boss. Wife wants to know if boss influenced him to say that. Not that husband would agree but that he was influenced to actually convince her to do that. She did not intend to until husband convinced her.

noahsombrero said:
Concerning officegirl. I am replaying part 1 now, and I did see that shock of hair in bed with boss when he sent the pic to wife. Of course that could be anybody's hair from what we saw. Maybe even a trans guy. Thinking that it could be officegirl is simply too weird for me. Boss is going to be in deep shit with his brother if that is the case.

It might even be that boss meant for wife to notice the hair and realize the implication. I don't think she did though.

Oh, shit. Noticing how cheery officegirl greets wife when she comes to see boss at the office. Layers within layers.
At this point I'm pretty sure you are not reading the VN much. You just played some part and start imagining things and then post them here.
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Really, responses from others here suggest the boss/officegirl hookup has been thoroughly discussed here previously. I am late to the party.

You also seem to skip most sentences from a post/comment. You see a word and go gun blazing on it.
My post below:
I always thought reading those stories/games "HEY I've been a model citizen for some time so can I get away now with robbing a BANK"
Your reply:
noahsombrero said:
Wife does not claim to be or have been a model anything.
When did I say this about Vivian (the wife). I was talking about other stories.
It did sound to me like you were accusing wife

Same goes for this also

She is not banging everyone and the cop.

When did he say she is banging the cop??
free pass to bang everyone and the cop out excuse that she may use to pardon herself
Sorry it did seem to me you said that. I did find it in your post. You did not intend to agree with dylan93?
 
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Hutch is not trying to convince Vivian to keep fucking Christian. he gives her the choice he hopes she will stop. but since he didn't say stop, she just assumes he is fine with it and off she goes into full on turbo slut mode. i don't argue a woman has needs, but so does a guy and if you aren't meeting each other's needs, there is zero reason to be married. just my opinion.
 

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This is about her. Yes, she believes that he has expressed love for her. As husband says, sex is her love language. His gentle loving makes her happy.
This is another one that you've got the wrong way round. It's Vivian who says sex (well, "being intimite") is Hutch's love language.
Really, responses from others here suggest the boss/officegirl hookup has been thoroughly discussed here previously. I am late to the party.
He was referring to your misinterpretation of the scene, as Vivian could not see Christian and whoever was in bed with him. So there's no "boss meant for wife to notice the hair and realize the implication," as it would be impossible for Vivian to notice the hair over a voice call.
 
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Hutch is not trying to convince Vivian to keep fucking Christian. he gives her the choice he hopes she will stop. but since he didn't say stop, she just assumes he is fine with it and off she goes into full on turbo slut mode. i don't argue a woman has needs, but so does a guy and if you aren't meeting each other's needs, there is zero reason to be married. just my opinion.
Wife has already decided to not continue working with him because she knows where it will lead. Husband convinces her to continue. He did not say continue fucking. That is not necessary since he knows very well what has been going on.
 

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This is another one that you've got the wrong way round. It's Vivian who says sex (well, "being intimite") is Hutch's love language.
You are right. It does tie in though with her response to the gentle loving sex with boss. It seems she thinks boss might work the same way. Bad news for her. He simply does not.
 
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