Duke gets his brain fried again.
My bet? No. She doesn't have the moves to be a pole dancer.
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packard1928
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WE went over this a while back... It is inconclusive ..... When you zoom in it get very blurry. Hair is also parted on the wrond side.
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I disagree, Vivian likes to bounce on big poles except hutchys of course
she could definately do lap dancing and couch dancing and of course the high rollers in the champagne room
It only makes sense in the context of her discussion with the hairdresser about her past as a stripper—she admitted to being a little wild, mentioned her tattoo, and said she was a college student in France who was poor. As for the hair, she is upside down. I feel like this is the next stage in torturing Hutch by publicly humiliating him, but I don’t see how Vivian agrees to go along with it
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Dumb but fun theory. Addison is the mastermind behind whoring out Vivian for business. She knows that's Hutchs wife she saw the video and saw Hutchs devastation. Pissed her off she knows Hutch won't do anything cause he is kind hearted so she suggested to Christian about using Vivian.
Agreed. Nothing we have seen her do was done with the actual intent to torture Husband by publicly humiliating him. That sounds like what a porn dog might wish to for who wanted to see him as a helpless wuss. Or causing him emotional pain or any other vicious hateful intent. Boss is the one who might have vicious hateful intents.
I wouldn't hold her past against her. Most of us did crazy things when we were young that we would know better than to try now. Even if she is, as the pic SC left seems to suggest as she looks anxiously into a car window with huge cleavage blaring, a street prostitute. That kind of thing is what desperate people do when they are trying to maintain their life and find no other way to do that. At 20 a college kid might do such things to pay for school. At 45, it isn't fun any more. It is desperate.
The pic does show the pole dancer looking at him with interest, which is suggestive. If that is you, Wife, get down from that stupid pole and go talk to him. Why do you think he is here if he knows that is you? But that, of course, might not be the story that SC wants to tell. Maybe, she will never go talk to him, he will never go talk to her. So they both sink into desperate lives, never get real with themselves or each other. It does look like he has been doing a lot of drinking. Would you do that to them, SC teller of this story?
If Wife is now a pole dancing street prostitute, Boss has dumped her. And if Husband is sinking into alcoholism, an ugly end to this game is on the horizon.
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De aztán eszébe jut, hogy ez a rúdtáncjelenet beindít valamit Hutchban. Ez lesz az a jelenet, ami megpecsételi Vivien és Hutch kapcsolatát, jóban-rosszban. Talán hazamennek és intenzív szexet folytatnak, de az is lehet, hogy Hutch elkezdi megírni a végrendeletét, és mindent a fiára hagy. Aztán megírja a fiának, hogy miért tette, és végül Viviennek kell szembenéznie ezzel, mert a fia kidobja őt.
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In that case, it makes no sense at all, because her past as a stripper is a figment of your imagination. Nowhere is it mentioned that she has ever been a stripper. As her mother told her to, she had her fun when she was younger, but pretty much all we know of that really is that she gave at least one blowjob, where she was able to fit an entire penis in her mouth. She also had her semester in France where she was seduced by an older man who made love to her in what sounds like a one-night stand. That is pretty much all we know of her pre-Hutch past. None of it even comes close to suggesting she had a "past as a stripper".
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Yes but we also know that in France she was short on cash and couldn't afford the wine she liked until an "older guy" offered it to her, and the vintage of the bottle was 1979. the same year she was born... AND ALL THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHE SAID TO HER HUSBAND... she told this to Chris
And she said.. she was a naughty American girl.
She didn't say that the older man was her first time fuck... and I remind again about her tattoos... which were definitely with her also at that time.
Surely accepting expensive wine and so even a dinner from a stranger is not a good-girl-thing.... but she certainly wasn't stripping...
So... she was making money.. (also for drugs?)
I didn't know she had only been in France for a semester, which makes me think that her mother sent her there on purpose because, attending university in America, she had probably become a little too “popular” in university circles due to the way she earned money for clothes and advantages in her grades.
Spending a semester studying in a foreign country is something families do to improveing her daughter curriculum but also to give their daughters a change of scenery from a place where she used sex to get advantages... (Something very common among young naughty girls)
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Perhaps Mom had sent Vivian to France to detoxify from drugs and alcohol?
Six months is the right period of time to detoxify from addictions.
The problem was that she would stop and look at shop windows displaying bottles of wine and spirits... And her time in France may have intensified Vivian's addiction problems.
Six months is the right period of time to detoxify from addictions.
The problem was that she would stop and look at shop windows displaying bottles of wine and spirits... And her time in France may have intensified Vivian's addiction problems.
Thanks for the blanket condemnation. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific?
Thanks for making this clear. Sometimes some of us seem a bit eager to think badly of Wife.
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I agree.. A lot has been made of her Back tattoo. It does not really identify her as a tramp. From what we know currently ..she was not like that. She must have been a little adventurous. She take what her mother said about adventurous sex a hard fact... That is why she had denied Hutch of it.
I think the session with Sunshine tells us Wife's problem with anal sex was that she did not know how to make it anything but a shitty mess. So, Sunshine showed her how. Nevermind that she must have known what an enema was. I suspect many people see enema as a specific treatment for a specific bowel condition, not as something to do before having sex. In fact I also wondered about that same thing, how to make it reasonably clean.
The point of the event with Rain, was that she was an anal sex virgin. Not an experienced anal type withholding it from Husband for whatever reason.
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Christ on a bike it has. I mean, with my ignore list, I'm sometimes only getting 5 posts per page, but I just took a look and it's really some nonsense that's (still) being spouted...
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Don't worry, you two below, I'll check back for any responses maybe later, but the thread is still far healthier not seeing your posts, so I'll still keep you blissfully hidden. However, sometimes a response is needed so people don't just take what you say as accurate when it's really not (I'm looking at you, Stanford).
Dude, you are apparently fixated on this picture recently and saying that Vivian is a prostitute looking into a car like she's trying to get picked up by a John. Do you mean this picture below? It's the only one I can think of that fits your description, but other than the whole "why on Earth would she be doing that in the first place?" part, just take a look at what else you can see in the image. She is outside her own home. Would she really be soliciting in broad daylight from her own doorstep, and while her husband appears to be home (bearing in mind he could be elsewhere without his car)? I'd say this is clearly someone she knows or an Uber picking her up or dropping her off, and she's looking into the car to thank the driver or say hello. If you're wearing a dress with a slightly low-cut neckline and you lean forward like that, you're going to show cleavage. The combination of cleavage and car does not in the slightest suggest prostitute.
You make a lot of points here with very little accuracy.
No, we don't know that, because part of it is incorrect and the other part of it is speculation. She never said that the Frenchman bought the bottle (or the meal) for her. She said "It was expensive... way too expensive for a travelling college student." She then said that the waiter brought out the bottle (so she obviously bought it anyway) and the older man showed her how to open it and helped her savour it. Students, as a massive generalisation, don't tend to have plenty of cash on hand, so I presume this is a case of "I shouldn't have bought it, but I did," and there's no indication that she literally couldn't afford to buy it - she wouldn't have ordered it if she couldn't afford it, surely.
I did see someone (maybe you again) using the word "poor" to refer to Vivian while she was in France, too. Again, that is only speculation based on her being a student who shouldn't be spending her money on expensive bottles of wine. She says "I went to this little café alone. My French was poor at the time, so I struggled with the menu." So she didn't speak great French, not anything to do with her material wealth.
No she didn't. Perhaps you're confusing naïve with naughty? If this is what you're referring to, she says "Looking back, I know I was just another naïve American girl who fell for his shtick..." I can't find anywhere else you might be referring to, with "naughty" not being mentioned at all and "American" not being mentioned anywhere else.
I didn't say that either, so I'm not sure if there's a reason you're suggesting someone might have said it? The bit about the tattoos is another bit of speculation though. We know that she had the neck tattoo done when she was a student, but we don't know precise timing, or exactly when the lower-back tattoo was done. There is certainly nothing to suggest that she "definitely" had the tattoos by the time she did her semester in France.
So again, she didn't accept expensive wine and dinner from a stranger, she accepted his help in opening and enjoying the wine that she bought, and she fell for his seduction and spent a memorable evening with him. There's is absolutely nothing to suggest that she was stripping (so at least you got that bit right), or prostituting herself, or doing drugs. There is literally nothing to suggest that she was ever using sex to get advantages.
There's also nothing to say that her spending a semester in France was her parents' decision, or that whoever made the decision did it to get her away from something. She could quite easily have made the decision herself, and I have no idea why you seem to think that wherever she was, younger Vivian was paying for the clothes she wore, or the drugs there is no indication she took, with sex. As with so much of this, we will likely never know though, because it is not relevant to the ongoing story.
Literally all we know of her younger sex life outside of this one-night stand in France is that she could fit an entire penis (size undetermined) in her mouth. Her mother said that she should "have fun while [she] was single, but said men won't marry wild women" but that doesn't mean "go and get gangbanged and take as much cock as possible before you restrict yourself to just one". It's exactly as it sounds, "have fun" - don't be too serious and just dive into a relationship with the first guy you meet. None of that (even when combined with anything else we know about Vivian) suggests that Vivian was "a naughty girl", unless you're just saying that any female college student who has sex or has given a blowjob is naughty...
For someone who keeps telling people to "read the words" or "play the game again" or whatever, and showing off all their screenshots for the umpteenth time as if you're the only person who's seen the game's opening, it would be really nice if you could do the same thing and at least give the right information when you're preaching.
Oh, and also, no, these are not standalone chapters that can be played in any order. I mean, sure, you can play Chapter 2 before Chapter 1 if you really want to, but it's a continuous story from Ch1 to Ch2. Playing them Ch2 and then Ch1 is literally doing it in the wrong order. Perhaps that's contributing to you consistently getting a lot of what happened wrong.
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I agree... I do not think she is experianced in Anal. That also may be why she denied Hutch from it. But most is she though it labeled her. Anal and deep throat ... and other adventurous sex practice were not what a good married wife does. LOL !!!
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Thanks for granting me a reply, Tony.
I have not said in any way, that my idea of the pic is anything more than a possibility. The same as your interpretations above. Possibilities. Would she do that in front of her own home? Would it matter if Husband was around? If she is soliciting, Husband would most certainly not be living there any more. And Boss has dumped her. And she is desperate. Desperate people do desperate things.
But certainly, nothing is for sure in this. My impression comes from having seen street prostitutes do exactly what she is doing here. But you would be right, that proves nothing. I think her expression does not fit with soliciting, as I have said previously as I wonder about it. Neither does it look like she is thanking somebody.
My impulse to expand on this possibility for her comes from that pic SC shows of Boss grabbing her by the jaw while she looks furiously at him. Is he dumping her? Maybe not, maybe she is dumping him for whatever betrayal. But for sure something important to the game is happening there. And Boss is trying very hard to get control of the situation.
I think we all try to imagine reasons for what SC shows us in these glimpses of the future. Perhaps we can be forgiven for wondering. I do know that you wonder a lot less than the rest of us. But you do confront those who seem eager to think badly of her a lot less often than me who would like to not think badly of her.
You could, for instance give me credit for suggesting to Packard that Wife was an anal virgin before Rain.
I'd say I might deserve more credit for being tentative about my wonderings. In no case do I claim to have facts, unlike some who are eager to think badly of Wife.She literally says she's never done anal. Rain was her first (though it sounds like Christian might have been the first to put a finger up there). So no, she is not experienced in it
I hadn't seen much of the messaging, but when I had a look... it annoys me people making points using information that is just factually inaccurate. Everyone makes mistakes because they miss something in the game, or they forget something, or it's not a mistake but something that people can interpret differently, so is not set in stone, but the guy up there is like Trump - he keeps saying things that are just not true, and no one calls him out on it, so I thought I'd correct him that one time.
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