VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[88stanford88]

Side note, which I think is out of left field...What if the ending is her having gotten back with Hutch and dumped Christian then we see her in the bathroom waiting for the results of a pregnancy test? They have been having aLOT of unprotected sex and we assume she's taking pills or something, but is she? Especially if he was whoring her out.

Even if that were the case, I believe that Vivian will not abandon her family because it is evident in her every inner thought. In fact, while she is having sex with Christian on the same night that she had sex to close the deal and for which she is handsomely paid, even in this scene she thinks and sees Hutch watching her even though her husband is not present for real.

Spoiler: This scene is when Vivian asks Chris to be gentle just for 1 time

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The fact that she remembers that Hutch saw her having sex with Chris on the garden table tells us that she cares deeply about her family... in fact, she stops Christian and asks him not to have sex in that place.

And about the pregnant point:
Believe me, a 45-year-old woman knows immediately after having sex whether she can be pregnant or not (and there is always the morning-after pill)... and as you can see, the client (Mr. Rees) does not cum inside her pussy.

In any case the decision to have a baby at 45 years old can also be a very welcome notice also for Hutch.

I really believe that being pregnant would have no repercussions... also because Christina is and will always be Vivian's husband's boss, so this would only improve Hutch's position within the company where he works... he could even become a partner and thus have all the benefits

There is no one that is whoring Vivian... Vivian is always ib charge and she has alwais a way to go out without having sex! she accepted to be part of the Christian plan to closing contracts...
She has sex because she loves being dominated... no one can force her.

Vivian, Hutch and Christian are already partners, and all three of them receive considerable economic benefits...
maybe things will change in the future? Sure!

We'll see in the next chapters. only the author knows what will happen.

 

[noahsombrero]

Just please no Soprano ending. I HATE those stories "How do you think it ended?" Damn you authors!! But if that's how you go I'll just have to live with it. It is your story.

The interesting thing for me his how

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said he was dismayed at how many people insisted that Tony must die. Me too, why so much bloodlust for a fictional character? We forget, I think, that authors often have a point they want to make about life. And how they feel impelled to speak out about how their feelings about living and dying differ from a lot of other people.

SC too. I have no doubt that he would not be putting a year or three of his life into putting this video game out there absolutely for free (you cannot pay him a dime) if he did not have something he felt compelled to say.

I say, let him say it. You don't need to agree or even finish playing the game. Sometimes these super smart, deeply feeling guys outlast us all. Who knows what, centuries later, profs at universities will think of David or SC? Where are the Shakespeares of our time? We have no idea do we?

 

[88stanford88]

The interesting thing for me his how

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said he was dismayed at how many people insisted that Tony must die. Me too, why so much bloodlust for a fictional character? We forget, I think, that authors often have a point they want to make about life. And how they feel impelled to speak out about how their feelings about living and dying differ from a lot of other people.

SC too. I have no doubt that he would not be putting a year or three of his life into putting this video game out there absolutely for free (you cannot pay him a dime) if he did not have something he felt compelled to say.

I say, let him say it. You don't need to agree or even finish playing the game. Sometimes these super smart, deeply feeling guys outlast us all. Who knows what, centuries later, profs at universities will think of David or SC? Where are the Shakespeares of our time? We have no idea do we?

I am sure that if Shakespeare had been born in this century, he would have created his masterpieces using AI technology.
All artists use the technologies available to them in the historical period in which they live... except for geniuses like Leonardo da Vinci, who invented new technologies by hypothesizing the computers
In Bach's time, there was the harpsichord and the cathedral organ; today, music is made with computers...
Artists change and adapt to the instruments they have available...

True artists don't create their work with the aim of making money... but as I said, SCS is just a pseudonym.
I'm sure he with his real name already has lots of offers to become a professional screenwriter for the cinema.

 

[noahsombrero]

I am sure that if Shakespeare had been born in this century, he would have created his masterpieces using AI technology.

Not the point. Shakey provided the soap opera of his time. He wrote for the unwashed masses. These days the masses are washed but tastes have not changed that much. Ribaldry, blood, etc. Of course nobody knew then what we would think of his stuff hundreds of years later. "Double backed beast" was one of his better phrases. I'm sure you know what he was referring to. Regardless, we now can read his stuff and find treasure in it. "All that glitters is not gold". Oh for sure.

My suspicion is that the lack of other techs at the time left the unwashed room for larger vocabularies and appreciation for colorful language. Which, with a little study we can still appreciate.

True artists don't create their work with the aim of making money... but as I said, SCS is just a pseudonym.

They might appreciate being able to support themselves with their art. But fame is a chimera and not an indication of long term value.

I'm sure he with his real name already has lots of offers to become a professional screenwriter for the cinema.

There is no doubt he is multi talented one way or the other. He has the resources and the time to put into video gaming. As devs often mention, those premade graphics don't come cheap.

My point is that excellence can come from anywhere, for any audience. It doesn't hurt to be on the lookout for it. A little bit.

 

[SC Stories]

noahsombrero said
Just please no Soprano ending. I HATE those stories "How do you think it ended?" Damn you authors!! But if that's how you go I'll just have to live with it. It is your story.

The Soprano thing was a joke. I have a dry/sarcastic sense of humor that I don't think translates well. The ending is conclusive. Whether the reader likes it... well, that's personal of course. (You're not the only one quoting the Soprano's thing)

But going over it a second time I'm now more convinced that the pacing is a bit too fast for my liking.

Yes, the pacing is fast. Ideally Ch2 would have been slower, giving time for the characters and the readers to absorb. I would have liked to develop Vivian's finale corruption more. A dev doing this for money certainly would have but I am a hobbyist and I can only devote so much time to this. The pacing does not slow down in the next two chapters.

But thank you for sharing your thoughts. I welcome the members who've recently discovered this story and have joined the discussion. I welcome the honest critiques I've read over the last couple months including whose who respectfully stated they disliked Ch2 and don't want to see any more. I still enjoy reading the theories being shared and I'm glad my little hobby has had such an impact. I'm very much looking forward to Ch3. Thanks.

 

[dylan93]

1: The Collapse: Self-Destruction Disguised as Empowerment

Vivian continues down her path of self-justification — convinced she’s in control, that her “sexual power” and “independence” give her leverage over men like Christian. But here’s the truth: she’s a pawn, not a queen.

Endgame:

• She tries to outsmart Christian, or use him to climb higher socially.
• Christian, a true sociopath, cuts her loose — or worse, uses her as a scapegoat in one of his corporate manipulations.
• She’s left disgraced, broke, and emotionally shattered, still insisting she “did nothing wrong.”
• Her tragedy: she never sees that her so-called dulusions of empowerment was self-sabotage wearing lipstick.

Symbolic meaning:
Vivian becomes a critique of modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist phenomenon — women (especially those under modern “empowerment” culture) mistaking rebellion and supposed sexual liberty for growth.
She mistakes chaos for freedom, desire for direction, and by the time she realizes it, everything she valued — marriage, love, and respect — is gone.



2: The Reckoning: The World She Built Eats Her Alive

The most cinematic and psychologically fitting ending. Vivian, Christian, and Hutch are all trapped by the consequences of their own actions.

How it plays out:

• Hutch finally grows a spine and cuts ties with Vivian — not in anger, but in quiet, devastating indifference.
• Christian turns on Vivian, perhaps using her as a fall person for one of his schemes.
• Vivian, in trying to “reclaim her power,” crosses a line — blackmail, betrayal, or violence — and the system (or Christian’s allies) eliminates her to tie up loose ends.

Symbolism:
Vivian is consumed by the world she tried to control.
Her downfall isn’t just punishment — it’s poetic justice. Every choice she made to manipulate, seduce, or deceive others eventually circles back, until she realizes she was never the one holding the cards.



The Deeper Message

Vivian’s end — no matter which route — represents the inevitable crash between delusion and reality.

She’s a modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist archetype who:

• Demands total freedom without accountability.
• Chases validation and self sexual objectification, while scorning the idea of needing anyone.
• Use dulusions of “empowerment” as a shield against introspection.

In that sense, Vivian’s real antagonist isn’t Christian or Hutch — it’s herself. She’s the storm and the victim of it.

 

[noahsombrero]

The Soprano thing was a joke. I have a dry/sarcastic sense of humor that I don't think translates well. The ending is conclusive. Whether the reader likes it... well, that's personal of course. (You're not the only one quoting the Soprano's thing)

Thanks for clearing that up. It had me fooled.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

1: The Collapse: Self-Destruction Disguised as Empowerment

Vivian continues down her path of self-justification — convinced she’s in control, that her “sexual power” and “independence” give her leverage over men like Christian. But here’s the truth: she’s a pawn, not a queen.

Endgame:

• She tries to outsmart Christian, or use him to climb higher socially.
• Christian, a true sociopath, cuts her loose — or worse, uses her as a scapegoat in one of his corporate manipulations.
• She’s left disgraced, broke, and emotionally shattered, still insisting she “did nothing wrong.”
• Her tragedy: she never sees that her so-called dulusions of empowerment was self-sabotage wearing lipstick.

Symbolic meaning:
Vivian becomes a critique of modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist phenomenon — women (especially those under modern “empowerment” culture) mistaking rebellion and supposed sexual liberty for growth.
She mistakes chaos for freedom, desire for direction, and by the time she realizes it, everything she valued — marriage, love, and respect — is gone.



2: The Reckoning: The World She Built Eats Her Alive

The most cinematic and psychologically fitting ending. Vivian, Christian, and Hutch are all trapped by the consequences of their own actions.

How it plays out:

• Hutch finally grows a spine and cuts ties with Vivian — not in anger, but in quiet, devastating indifference.
• Christian turns on Vivian, perhaps using her as a fall person for one of his schemes.
• Vivian, in trying to “reclaim her power,” crosses a line — blackmail, betrayal, or violence — and the system (or Christian’s allies) eliminates her to tie up loose ends.

Symbolism:
Vivian is consumed by the world she tried to control.
Her downfall isn’t just punishment — it’s poetic justice. Every choice she made to manipulate, seduce, or deceive others eventually circles back, until she realizes she was never the one holding the cards.



The Deeper Message

Vivian’s end — no matter which route — represents the inevitable crash between delusion and reality.

She’s a modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist archetype who:

• Demands total freedom without accountability.
• Chases validation and self sexual objectification, while scorning the idea of needing anyone.
• Use dulusions of “empowerment” as a shield against introspection.

In that sense, Vivian’s real antagonist isn’t Christian or Hutch — it’s herself. She’s the storm and the victim of it.

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dylan93 this reads like a college character summery of a novel, and for that I'd give you an (A). I might disagree with your premise of Vivian, motivations, outcomes, and interactions, but I see where you are going with your thesis.

1: The Collapse: Self-Destruction Disguised as Empowerment

Vivian continues down her path of self-justification — convinced she’s in control, that her “sexual power” and “independence” give her leverage over men like Christian. But here’s the truth: she’s a pawn, not a queen. Yes, so far as the illusion being in control; no, I haven't seen any empowerment Vivian exerts over anyone--so far, she's been a 'tool,' a well-used tool. A critical bit of information is missing as to how it all started at Christian's dinner at his house. We seen the effect but not the cause. Granted we've seen a lot but not the point where Vivian gives in to Christian and more importantly the why.

Endgame:

• She tries to outsmart Christian or use him to climb higher socially. Ok... where has Vivian expressed a want of power or responsibility, or even desire for social mobility? I can see a desperate woman trying to maintain her and her husband's status and livelihood
• Christian, a true sociopath, cuts her loose — or worse, uses her as a scapegoat in one of his corporate manipulations. To need a scapegoat, means Christian has done something wrong needing a 'fall guy.'
• She’s left disgraced, broke, and emotionally shattered, still insisting she “did nothing wrong.” That checks
• Her tragedy: she never sees that her so-called delusions of empowerment was self-sabotage wearing lipstick. Or could it be because she was well meaning and got caught up in it...?

Symbolic meaning:
Vivian becomes a critique of modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist phenomenon — women (especially those under modern “empowerment” culture) mistaking rebellion and supposed sexual liberty for growth. The whole 3 some scene was the closest thing to sexual liberalism I've seen. Vivian sexually exploited, yes-- guilty in at least one instance (the bathroom scene at Hutch's workplace). The problem with the story's plot is it's a little vague as to her motivations, save that she at times enjoys it
She mistakes chaos for freedom, desire for direction, and by the time she realizes it, everything she valued — marriage, love, and respect — is gone. Again, going back to primary motivation of keeping her livelihood and status the same seems to have been her overall goal... right up until she went out looking for to be picked up and knowingly cheat on Hutch. I've said it before in another post but the whole existential psychobabble of the 3-some seriously disrupted Vivian's fall and character development. Sometimes KISS when writing is the best solution to character development. Two trains of thought, first being yes, she found someone at the bar, and she had an affair or second the man she finds at the bar she has an affair with is below her social level; in either case I think it would be the stronger character development than what are the chances of meeting swingers and having phycological gymnastics developing the character.



2: The Reckoning: The World She Built Eats Her Alive

The most cinematic and psychologically fitting ending. Vivian, Christian, and Hutch are all trapped by the consequences of their own actions. Total agree

How it plays out:

• Hutch finally grows a spine and cuts ties with Vivian — not in anger, but in quiet, devastating indifference. Maybe, but Hutch is totally aware of the situation, tolerates it and is now humiliated. That kind of courage has to already be somewhat present--now the author might give out a condolence prize with the office secretary which is being hinted at--yet still a weak maybe.
• Christian turns on Vivian, perhaps using her as a fall person for one of his schemes. scapegoat argument
• Vivian, in trying to “reclaim her power,” crosses a line — blackmail, betrayal, or violence — and the system (or Christian’s allies) eliminates her to tie up loose ends. Excellent, though not so much her power, but her old life back when things where stable and secure

Symbolism:
Vivian is consumed by the world she tried to control.
Her downfall isn’t just punishment — it’s poetic justice. Every choice she made to manipulate, seduce, or deceive others eventually circles back, until she realizes she was never the one holding the cards. "Poetic justice," implies someone has it coming (karma), but when you start with well-meaning intensions to save your husband's job, even going as far as coaching and tutoring Hutch before the dinner and not having an affair with his boss is more akin to what a partner is supposed to do. Still that missing piece of information of how things got out of hand still paints Vivian as good intentioned but got exploited. It's impossible at this moment to gauge where the author is going with this story, but Vivian hasn't seduced nor manipulated anything but has made mistakes and made the worse choices to cover for them.



The Deeper Message

Vivian’s end — no matter which route — represents the inevitable crash between delusion and reality. If by "delusion' you mean she thinks she can control events sure

She’s a modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist archetype who:

• Demands total freedom without accountability.
• Chases validation and self-sexual objectification, while scorning the idea of needing anyone.
• Use delusions of “empowerment” as a shield against introspection.

In that sense, Vivian’s real antagonist isn’t Christian or Hutch — it’s herself. She’s the storm and the victim of it. Actually, I think this whole story plot is one of discovery that goes terribly wrong. She is being acted upon by Christian, her students, business associates etc. and in only one case (her going out looking to have an affair) is where she is acting out of selfish interest. However to your points there is too much missing information, and we are seeing consequences without knowning cause or motivation.

 

[noahsombrero]

A critical bit of information is missing as to how it all started at Christian's dinner at his house. We seen the effect but not the cause. Granted we've seen a lot but not the point where Vivian gives in to Christian and more importantly the why. However to your points there is too much missing information, and we are seeing consequences without knowning cause or motivation.

>the point where Vivian gives in to Christian and more importantly the why

Strong agreement.
There are those who want to simply say, because she is a whore. I don't accept that.

This and several other aspects of the game are mysterious. I would say that no wife would go into Boss's bedroom and begin fucking the night away in the presence of her husband. A woman might very well want to do that, but she would seek a better situation. "I'll meet you at the cafe tomorrow night. You can have me all night, I promise."

The presence, one way or the other, every time Boss and Wife fuck is another strangeness.

 

[TonyMurray]

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dylan93 this reads like a college character summery of a novel, and for that I'd give you an (A). I might disagree with your premise of Vivian, motivations, outcomes, and interactions, but I see where you are going with your thesis.

That's because most of his posts are from ChatGPT.

 

[John Smy]

The Soprano thing was a joke. I have a dry/sarcastic sense of humor that I don't think translates well. The ending is conclusive. Whether the reader likes it... well, that's personal of course. (You're not the only one quoting the Soprano's thing)




Yes, the pacing is fast. Ideally Ch2 would have been slower, giving time for the characters and the readers to absorb. I would have liked to develop Vivian's finale corruption more. A dev doing this for money certainly would have but I am a hobbyist and I can only devote so much time to this. The pacing does not slow down in the next two chapters.

But thank you for sharing your thoughts. I welcome the members who've recently discovered this story and have joined the discussion. I welcome the honest critiques I've read over the last couple months including whose who respectfully stated they disliked Ch2 and don't want to see any more. I still enjoy reading the theories being shared and I'm glad my little hobby has had such an impact. I'm very much looking forward to Ch3. Thanks.

Thank you for replying!! You have a great story here, with a lot of passionate fans, I apologize in advance I suspect there will be a lot of very angry posts when the ending drops. Very much looking forward to seeing it and the ride to it. Thank god the Soprano ending was a joke, thank you. I've read NTR Manga for way to long and for my personal enjoyment nothing runis a good one worse than the non-ending, which in my opinion is what the Sopranos ending feels like. I know some people like. I don't so I'm very glad it was a joke. Also I've seen some comments on my Vivian getting pregnant, that was very much a wild, crazy no chance theory. But I will say even at 45 she can still get pregnant and Christian as far as I am concerned is a lying piece of shit so I'd trust his word about as far as I could throw throw him.

i have one final question. CHapter one when Vivian and Christian are talking in the courtyard after she figures out Hutch saw them in the bathroom. There is a shot through blinds of them, was that just an artisistic shot or was someone actually there?

 

[TonyMurray]

i have one final question. CHapter one when Vivian and Christian are talking in the courtyard after she figures out Hutch saw them in the bathroom. There is a shot through blinds of them, was that just an artisistic shot or was someone actually there?

Unless otherwise indicated (i.e., you see the person watching), I would always take these as just artistic shots. We see them in several other places, as in the below examples, and a couple of people have spoken about someone having "taken the photo" while spying, but it's just good cinematography.

 

[oshikuru]

Yes, the pacing is fast. Ideally Ch2 would have been slower, giving time for the characters and the readers to absorb. I would have liked to develop Vivian's finale corruption more. A dev doing this for money certainly would have but I am a hobbyist and I can only devote so much time to this. The pacing does not slow down in the next two chapters.

But thank you for sharing your thoughts. I welcome the members who've recently discovered this story and have joined the discussion. I welcome the honest critiques I've read over the last couple months including whose who respectfully stated they disliked Ch2 and don't want to see any more. I still enjoy reading the theories being shared and I'm glad my little hobby has had such an impact. I'm very much looking forward to Ch3. Thanks.

Yeah, while ch1 was fast paced, ch2 felt like it was on speed lol. But I still liked it. At the end of the day it's the authors (yours) choice where the story goes. Every person has their own likes and dislikes, you can never please all of them. That being said I'm more of a slow burn type a guy, I also prefer to keep the illusion of not knowing going or pretending of not knowing going, in case of this story. For example, I would have preferred if Christian and Vivian kept "sneaking around". That doesn't mean that Hutch couldn't catch them, just that Vivian would still be in the dark about it, that she wouldn't know that Hutch knows. This would give Christian more power as he would then push Hutch's boundaries to see how far he can go with Viv. What would be his breaking point, if he has one. The car scene was fine if it stayed in the car, exhibitionism could have come later. Maybe with a anime style beach episode lol. I joke. But again those are my likes and for all I know I'm in the minority. Clearly your story has gained a lot of fans and they (me included), became fans for a reason. My advice would be to just go with what you've imagined in the first place and don't succumb to pressure to change anything. It's YOUR story not everyone elses.

 

[DarkArchon]

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dylan93 this reads like a college character summery of a novel, and for that I'd give you an (A). I might disagree with your premise of Vivian, motivations, outcomes, and interactions, but I see where you are going with your thesis.

1: The Collapse: Self-Destruction Disguised as Empowerment

Vivian continues down her path of self-justification — convinced she’s in control, that her “sexual power” and “independence” give her leverage over men like Christian. But here’s the truth: she’s a pawn, not a queen. Yes, so far as the illusion being in control; no, I haven't seen any empowerment Vivian exerts over anyone--so far, she's been a 'tool,' a well-used tool. A critical bit of information is missing as to how it all started at Christian's dinner at his house. We seen the effect but not the cause. Granted we've seen a lot but not the point where Vivian gives in to Christian and more importantly the why.

Endgame:

• She tries to outsmart Christian or use him to climb higher socially. Ok... where has Vivian expressed a want of power or responsibility, or even desire for social mobility? I can see a desperate woman trying to maintain her and her husband's status and livelihood
• Christian, a true sociopath, cuts her loose — or worse, uses her as a scapegoat in one of his corporate manipulations. To need a scapegoat, means Christian has done something wrong needing a 'fall guy.'
• She’s left disgraced, broke, and emotionally shattered, still insisting she “did nothing wrong.” That checks
• Her tragedy: she never sees that her so-called delusions of empowerment was self-sabotage wearing lipstick. Or could it be because she was well meaning and got caught up in it...?

Symbolic meaning:
Vivian becomes a critique of modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist phenomenon — women (especially those under modern “empowerment” culture) mistaking rebellion and supposed sexual liberty for growth. The whole 3 some scene was the closest thing to sexual liberalism I've seen. Vivian sexually exploited, yes-- guilty in at least one instance (the bathroom scene at Hutch's workplace). The problem with the story's plot is it's a little vague as to her motivations, save that she at times enjoys it
She mistakes chaos for freedom, desire for direction, and by the time she realizes it, everything she valued — marriage, love, and respect — is gone. Again, going back to primary motivation of keeping her livelihood and status the same seems to have been her overall goal... right up until she went out looking for to be picked up and knowingly cheat on Hutch. I've said it before in another post but the whole existential psychobabble of the 3-some seriously disrupted Vivian's fall and character development. Sometimes KISS when writing is the best solution to character development. Two trains of thought, first being yes, she found someone at the bar, and she had an affair or second the man she finds at the bar she has an affair with is below her social level; in either case I think it would be the stronger character development than what are the chances of meeting swingers and having phycological gymnastics developing the character.



2: The Reckoning: The World She Built Eats Her Alive

The most cinematic and psychologically fitting ending. Vivian, Christian, and Hutch are all trapped by the consequences of their own actions. Total agree

How it plays out:

• Hutch finally grows a spine and cuts ties with Vivian — not in anger, but in quiet, devastating indifference. Maybe, but Hutch is totally aware of the situation, tolerates it and is now humiliated. That kind of courage has to already be somewhat present--now the author might give out a condolence prize with the office secretary which is being hinted at--yet still a weak maybe.
• Christian turns on Vivian, perhaps using her as a fall person for one of his schemes. scapegoat argument
• Vivian, in trying to “reclaim her power,” crosses a line — blackmail, betrayal, or violence — and the system (or Christian’s allies) eliminates her to tie up loose ends. Excellent, though not so much her power, but her old life back when things where stable and secure

Symbolism:
Vivian is consumed by the world she tried to control.
Her downfall isn’t just punishment — it’s poetic justice. Every choice she made to manipulate, seduce, or deceive others eventually circles back, until she realizes she was never the one holding the cards. "Poetic justice," implies someone has it coming (karma), but when you start with well-meaning intensions to save your husband's job, even going as far as coaching and tutoring Hutch before the dinner and not having an affair with his boss is more akin to what a partner is supposed to do. Still that missing piece of information of how things got out of hand still paints Vivian as good intentioned but got exploited. It's impossible at this moment to gauge where the author is going with this story, but Vivian hasn't seduced nor manipulated anything but has made mistakes and made the worse choices to cover for them.



The Deeper Message

Vivian’s end — no matter which route — represents the inevitable crash between delusion and reality. If by "delusion' you mean she thinks she can control events sure

She’s a modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist archetype who:

• Demands total freedom without accountability.
• Chases validation and self-sexual objectification, while scorning the idea of needing anyone.
• Use delusions of “empowerment” as a shield against introspection.

In that sense, Vivian’s real antagonist isn’t Christian or Hutch — it’s herself. She’s the storm and the victim of it. Actually, I think this whole story plot is one of discovery that goes terribly wrong. She is being acted upon by Christian, her students, business associates etc. and in only one case (her going out looking to have an affair) is where she is acting out of selfish interest. However to your points there is too much missing information, and we are seeing consequences without knowning cause or motivation.

I have a dimmer view of Vivian's motives than you express here, but I do agree with much of your analysis. As I said in previous posts, she suffers from several character flaws that helped get her into this situation, and that Christian used to his advantage. Vivian is selfish, overconfident, manipulative, and insecure. Her initial "scheme" was a combination of all 4 things. She enjoys the comfortable lifestyle Hutch's job has provided, and that was her primary motivator in the beginning. She was overconfident in thinking she could manipulate Hutch's boss into letting Hutch keep his job (Christian being a much better manipulator saw through her plan immediately and called her out on it during their first meeting). Vivian did manipulate Hutch into going along with her plan. She basically told Hutch if he did not at least fight for his job (i.e. go along with her plan) he wasn't a man. I don't go along with Dylan's everything is 3rd and 4th wave feminism, or the women are all terrible nonsense, but the, "If you don't do what I want, you are not a man." bullshit is a common manipulation women use on men. Vivian initially going behind Hutch's back to see Christian was manipulative (She didn't want Christian to say anything about her meeting with him at the office). Vivian is insecure about getting older and becoming less attractive, and she craves affirmation from men she thinks are "significant." It is obvious that she does have strong feelings of affection for Hutch, and she was tormented by feelings of guilt for betraying him. Her guilt is not a character flaw. It is evidence she cares about Hutch, but it is also something else that Christian uses to manipulate her.

 

[dylan93]

I have a dimmer view of Vivian's motives than you express here, but I do agree with much of your analysis. As I said in previous posts, she suffers from several character flaws that helped get her into this situation, and that Christian used to his advantage. Vivian is selfish, overconfident, manipulative, and insecure. Her initial "scheme" was a combination of all 4 things. She enjoys the comfortable lifestyle Hutch's job has provided, and that was her primary motivator in the beginning. She was overconfident in thinking she could manipulate Hutch's boss into letting Hutch keep his job (Christian being a much better manipulator saw through her plan immediately and called her out on it during their first meeting). Vivian did manipulate Hutch into going along with her plan. She basically told Hutch if he did not at least fight for his job (i.e. go along with her plan) he wasn't a man. I don't go along with Dylan's everything is 3rd and 4th wave feminism, or the women are all terrible nonsense, but the, "If you don't do what I want, you are not a man." bullshit is a common manipulation women use on men. Vivian initially going behind Hutch's back to see Christian was manipulative (She didn't want Christian to say anything about her meeting with him at the office). Vivian is insecure about getting older and becoming less attractive, and she craves affirmation from men she thinks are "significant." It is obvious that she does have strong feelings of affection for Hutch, and she was tormented by feelings of guilt for betraying him. Her guilt is not a character flaw. It is evidence she cares about Hutch, but it is also something else that Christian uses to manipulate her.

Generally speaking, nobody can claim on one hand to love and care about their husband or wife, while simultaneously cheating on them, that's hypocrisy with double standards mixed in with the entitlement salad.

Cheating is cheating, its not a complax choice, it's a simple one between yes and no and Vivian chose yes. If you look back at Vivians character and her actions she's the main instigator:

Chp1:

1. Vivian threats her husband like hes a child incapable of looking aftet his own affairs,

she goes behind Hutches back, dresses like a slutty school girl ( not a professional lady), approaches Christian ( in the early hours of the morning when theirs no one around) and basically tries to sexually seduce Christian in his office. Christian sees through her, side-steps her advances, which has Vivian hooked on him. On the drive back home, she licks her lips as she can't stop thinking about Christian. For the first time in her life, she's been non-verbally told NO, and she liked it.

2: she emasculates her husband Hutch by ignoring his request not to join him at the first meeting at Christian house, going anyway as she is wet between the legs to be around her Mr.No, the Alpha dog that she's always wanted, Christian. She further emasculates Hutch by wearing high-heels, as we see Hutch state the following " I don't like it when you wear hight-heels", this was deliberately done by Vivian as she want to visually show Christian "here look at this wee twat of a man I don't want him, I want you Christian"

3. As we find out in Chp2 ending, that it was Vivian that initiated the sex in the garden, first time around, not Christian.

4: she goes on to fuck Christian all night long with her husband in the next room, sneaking to and from the kitchen back to Christian bedroom like a untrustworthy child waiting for their parents to be asleep to steal a biscuit or two from the cookie jar.

5: later in Chp1, she's really goes for Hutches troat, she doesn't just emasculate him this time, she out right humiliates him infront of all of his office college's by showing up at his work place dressed like a lady with a lovely dress and hat, as she proceeds to have sex with Christian in the bathroom as everyone is working in the next room, what a kick in the singers for Hutch

6: at the end of Chp1, Vivian is completely obsessed with Christian, and she very cleaverly manipulates Hutch with 101 narcissist persuions tactics into accepting her open marriage proposal scenario, with "I'm doing this for us, I'm doing this for YOU", what an absolute slag of a woman

Chp2:

1. She dress like a complete whore, for the dinner date, as she sexually objectifys herself by wearing a dress with her tits hanging out for the world to see. That dress ( much like women wearing yoga pants today, with the crack of their arses and snatches hanging out for the world to see) leaves nothing to the imagination and sends out social signal's that those yoga pants wearing women, but in the case of the character Vivian are nothing more than a cheap attention seeking whores and an easy lays. Yoga pants along with multicolored hair, 90s tramp stamps and nose rings are ( and this has been proven by actual psychological studies) alarming identifiets and red-flags sign's of a traumised individual with deep emotional scares and in the case of Vivians character, that your dealing with a low value women, which Vivian clearly is.

2: after the dinner date, it is Vivian that starts the conversation in the car about the size of Christian cock, it's Vivian that can't stop talking about Christian cock and it's Vivian that asks Christian to take his cock out and it's Vivian that initiates the sex in the car.

3: outside her own house, she proceeds to take things to the next level, emasculating her husband wasnt enough, humiliating him isn't even enough either, she's has to literally destroy him and herself and her marriage by having sex with Christian in front of the whole neighbourhood, naked. What a disgusting woman, it's all me, me, me and more me but then again, what do you expect from a so-called modern day woman, hypocritical cheap slags that they are.

4: Hutch was never enough for Vivian to begin with, thats clear to everyone, but now the Christian experience is starting to wear thin with her also, ( I guess a yoga pants wearing, short haired, nose pierced cheap whore can never be satisfied) she decides to "Go-it-Alone" sitting in her house wearing Christian t-shirt ( not any of Hutch's) she uses her husband and her lovers absence as an excuse to further her narcissist open marriage sexual trill seeking antics by heading out and allowing herself to be picked-up for a threesome. She then proceeds to hand her anal Virginity away to a complete stranger ( fist time around) after dening that pleasure to Hutch for 20 years as she tells sunshine that she wants her stink whole loosed not for her husband but for her lover Christian.

5: she then gives her number to a student, alarming bells there

6: dont be fooled by the hotel grape sence, Vivian could have easily walked away but we know she is a narcissist trill seeker, who seeks social validation through sexually objectifying herself though the only skill she got to offer anyone and that is sex. When the new client opened his hotel door, she deliberately walked head- first into that trap. she knew what was required of her and she went for it, only to play the victim later as all modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist slags do, as they rewrite history and their actions in their heads to justify their entitled and despicable choices, this is further backed up as she tells Christian that she loved being taking and graped, it made her feel powerful, that she now feels that she could do anything, as she goes on to tell Christian "I'm yours now "

Q: looking back, dose any of Vivian's dissions and action's betray a woman that is a loving a wife and mother, that is doing all that she can to protect and safegard her husband and his career and their family? Or do Vivian's choices and her actions reveal that she is a very selfishly, self-interested, self-serving, impulsively, manipulative 3rd and 4th wave entitled narcissist feminist gold-digger? Vivians choices and actions show that she is looking after one person and one person only, and thats herself, Vivian is safe garding her own long-term interests with her deluded, entitled monkey branching behaviour?

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

Generally speaking, nobody can claim on one hand to love and care about their husband or wife, while simultaneously cheating on them, that's hypocrisy with double standards mixed in with the entitlement salad.

Cheating is cheating, its not a complax choice, it's a simple one between yes and no and Vivian chose yes. If you look back at Vivians character and her actions she's the main instigator:

Chp1:

1. Vivian threats her husband like hes a child incapable of looking aftet his own affairs,

she goes behind Hutches back, dresses like a slutty school girl ( not a professional lady), approaches Christian ( in the early hours of the morning when theirs no one around) and basically tries to sexually seduce Christian in his office. Christian sees through her, side-steps her advances, which has Vivian hooked on him. On the drive back home, she licks her lips as she can't stop thinking about Christian. For the first time in her life, she's been non-verbally told NO, and she liked it.

2: she emasculates her husband Hutch by ignoring his request not to join him at the first meeting at Christian house, going anyway as she is wet between the legs to be around her Mr.No, the Alpha dog that she's always wanted, Christian. She further emasculates Hutch by wearing high-heels, as we see Hutch state the following " I don't like it when you wear hight-heels", this was deliberately done by Vivian as she want to visually show Christian "here look at this wee twat of a man I don't want him, I want you Christian"

3. As we find out in Chp2 ending, that it was Vivian that initiated the sex in the garden, first time around, not Christian.

4: she goes on to fuck Christian all night long with her husband in the next room, sneaking to and from the kitchen back to Christian bedroom like a untrustworthy child waiting for their parents to be asleep to steal a biscuit or two from the cookie jar.

5: later in Chp1, she's really goes for Hutches troat, she doesn't just emasculate him this time, she out right humiliates him infront of all of his office college's by showing up at his work place dressed like a lady with a lovely dress and hat, as she proceeds to have sex with Christian in the bathroom as everyone is working in the next room, what a kick in the singers for Hutch

6: at the end of Chp1, Vivian is completely obsessed with Christian, and she very cleaverly manipulates Hutch with 101 narcissist persuions tactics into accepting her open marriage proposal scenario, with "I'm doing this for us, I'm doing this for YOU", what an absolute slag of a woman

Chp2:

1. She dress like a complete whore, for the dinner date, as she sexually objectifys herself by wearing a dress with her tits hanging out for the world to see. That dress ( much like women wearing yoga pants today, with the crack of their arses and snatches hanging out for the world to see) leaves nothing to the imagination and sends out social signal's that those yoga pants wearing women, but in the case of the character Vivian are nothing more than a cheap attention seeking whores and an easy lays. Yoga pants along with multicolored hair, 90s tramp stamps and nose rings are ( and this has been proven by actual psychological studies) alarming identifiets and red-flags sign's of a traumised individual with deep emotional scares and in the case of Vivians character, that your dealing with a low value women, which Vivian clearly is.

2: after the dinner date, it is Vivian that starts the conversation in the car about the size of Christian cock, it's Vivian that can't stop talking about Christian cock and it's Vivian that asks Christian to take his cock out and it's Vivian that initiates the sex in the car.

3: outside her own house, she proceeds to take things to the next level, emasculating her husband wasnt enough, humiliating him isn't even enough either, she's has to literally destroy him and herself and her marriage by having sex with Christian in front of the whole neighbourhood, naked. What a disgusting woman, it's all me, me, me and more me but then again, what do you expect from a so-called modern day woman, hypocritical cheap slags that they are.

4: Hutch was never enough for Vivian to begin with, thats clear to everyone, but now the Christian experience is starting to wear thin with her also, ( I guess a yoga pants wearing, short haired, nose pierced cheap whore can never be satisfied) she decides to "Go-it-Alone" sitting in her house wearing Christian t-shirt ( not any of Hutch's) she uses her husband and her lovers absence as an excuse to further her narcissist open marriage sexual trill seeking antics by heading out and allowing herself to be picked-up for a threesome. She then proceeds to hand her anal Virginity away to a complete stranger ( fist time around) after dening that pleasure to Hutch for 20 years as she tells sunshine that she wants her stink whole loosed not for her husband but for her lover Christian.

5: she then gives her number to a student, alarming bells there

6: dont be fooled by the hotel grape sence, Vivian could have easily walked away but we know she is a narcissist trill seeker, who seeks social validation through sexually objectifying herself though the only skill she got to offer anyone and that is sex. When the new client opened his hotel door, she deliberately walked head- first into that trap. she knew what was required of her and she went for it, only to play the victim later as all modern-day 3rd and 4th wave feminist slags do, as they rewrite history and their actions in their heads to justify their entitled and despicable choices, this is further backed up as she tells Christian that she loved being taking and graped, it made her feel powerful, that she now feels that she could do anything, as she goes on to tell Christian "I'm yours now "

Q: looking back, dose any of Vivian's dissions and action's betray a woman that is a loving a wife and mother, that is doing all that she can to protect and safegard her husband and his career and their family? Or do Vivian's choices and her actions reveal that she is a very selfishly, self-interested, self-serving, impulsively, manipulative 3rd and 4th wave entitled narcissist feminist gold-digger? Vivians choices and actions show that she is looking after one person and one person only, and thats herself, Vivian is safe garding her own long-term interests with her deluded, entitled monkey branching behaviour?

 

[noahsombrero]

Generally speaking, nobody can claim on one hand to love and care about their husband or wife, while simultaneously cheating on them, that's hypocrisy with double standards mixed in with the entitlement salad.

Cheating is cheating, its not a complax choice, it's a simple one between yes and no and Vivian chose yes. If you look back at Vivians character and her actions she's the main instigator:

I don't think you can put a limit on what people can claim. The fact is that it is fairly common for a cheater to wish to remain married to their original spouse and so take devious measures to make sure spouse does not find out. Your definitions of what people can do notwithstanding.

Why would cheater do that? First off, divorces are messy. And if there are children involved, it will be traumatic for them as divorces of parents always are. Second, some people are content with marriage if they can have an affair on the side. The relationships are different. It has even happened that spouse divorces original partner and marries the affair partner only to find that a married situation does not work for them. They were happy together as cheaters but not as spouses.

Not that any of that applies to Wife/Husband, but your blanket declaration is not valid.

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

Why would cheater do that? First off, divorces are messy. And if there are children involved, it will be traumatic for them as divorces of parents always are.

This would matter more if it’s a younger child, but Sawyer is atleast 18 college student, doesn’t live at home, so I don’t think it would wreck him as much as you think it would.
What would wreck him more is if he sees his mom being a whore with students and on there neighborhood block where rumors will fly and get back to him. Then what happens does his whore mom lie to him about sex with students, his roommates, in there driveway, front lawn and escorting for his dads company? That’s a lot of lying she will have to do but since she’s a professional narcissist I think she can pull it off

 

[noahsombrero]

This would matter more if it’s a younger child, but Sawyer is atleast 18 college student, doesn’t live at home, so I don’t think it would wreck him as much as you think it would.

I said none of this applies to Wife, but your blanket statement does not hold up to scrutiny.

What would wreck him more is if he sees his mom being a whore

That involves the marvelous assumption that Wife is in fact a whore. Assumption not validated, as above.
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[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

That involves the marvelous assumption that Wife is in fact a whore.

So still not convinced she’s a whore yet? Do you need her to actually come out and tell you personally

So having a one night stand 3some with giving up anal which she won’t even do with hubby even though he wanted it is not being a whore?
blowing and fucking his boss in the bathroom, is not being a whore?
giving the hubbys boss road head in the car and then getting fucked in your own driveway, the front lawn, trunk of suv is not being a whore?
Fucking Christian’s client in a hotel and then cancelling dinner with hubby to run back to boss to get fucked all night again, still not a whore?
So if your wife acted like this, you wouldn’t think she’s being a whore?