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I think Vivian used his own words when he said "I told you what you wanted to hear. " she I think did the same when she said you win... you have me. (Just me) but I think this is the beginning of the plan. He has a certain thought now about Vivian. This will allow them ( Hutch and Viv) to work the plan because Christian think he owns Vivian... Maybe quit the contrary. We'll see !
 
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Because SC clearly and distinctly called it a "confrontation". One that he considers significant in the game. If SC saw it as a capitulation, he would have said that instead.
see it how you want. viv confronts chris, and the result is her admiting she belongs to chris. you almost get it but fail, this is vivs corruption scene. no more telling herself shes a martyr. that lie is for hutch only now.

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She does not fold when she tells Boss not to mention "it" again. She did not fold when she told Boss not to be cruel to Husband. She does not fold what she says, "But remember..." And Boss says, "I know...sacrifice".
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he doesnt push her on anything she says in the final scene. he doesnt have to. he pushed her in the previous scene, she folded and ended up in his bed, admitting she belongs to him. he already got what he wanted.
again you manipulate a quote, chris has already laughed about the mental gymnastics she uses to keep enabling her actions so when she reminds chris of the story she wants spun to hutch, his response is "i know, i know....hutch....noble sacrifice.....got it" with a disinterested look on his face. as long as she does what he tells her, he doesnt care what she wants to tell hutch.

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Going to talk to Boss about Husband's job does not say she was starting something sexual. She did not go to his office to seduce him. True her knees got week, but again, that was not her intending to start something.
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oh please, she was going there to try and sweet talk chris, but got the table turned on her. she even walks out asking herself what the hell just happened. just before licking her lips and trying not to cream her panties thinking about the kiss. no matter what. she initiated the interaction, and then it backfired. the dinner, viv forced herself in. the office fuck, viv could have turned down the job over the phone, it was her idea that she must go tell him in person. viv puts herself in all of these situations, and she always has a plan, until her pussy starts dripping lol
 

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I think Vivian used his own words when he said "I told you what you wanted to hear. " she I think did the same when she said you win... you have me. (Just me) but I think this is the beginning of the plan. He has a certain thought now about Vivian. This will allow them ( Hutch and Viv) to work the plan because Christian think he owns Vivian... Maybe quit the contrary. We'll see !
I have to admit that this line left me waiting for what's coming. However, in context I see it as a willingness of a manipulative person, such as Vivian, to make Christian believe and lie to herself that she is in control, when in fact she is subjugated to him. She cannot control herself because she (re?)discovered a selfish sexual experience, in which her husband does not play an active role. Vivian's real thought were expressed during the conversation with Sunshine. She's completely lost. It seems that she didn't listen Sunshine's advice either.
 

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Vivian's real thought were expressed during the conversation with Sunshine. She's completely lost. It seems that she didn't listen Sunshine's advice either.
Amen. She is lost. But doing better at the end of chpt 2. She can now tell Boss what her boundaries are. I don't expect he will respect them, but at least she herself knows what they are.
 

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Amen. She is lost. But doing better at the end of chpt 2. She can now tell Boss what her boundaries are. I don't expect he will respect them, but at least she herself knows what they are.
agreed... I also think so now had some new found backbone. She will ( I believe) push Christian a little.
 

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Here's a question. How would/will Vivian react if/when she catches Christian banging another woman? Will she be angry or pleased? Angry because she considers him her man or pleased that this means he's moving on from her and she can return to her previous life with Hutch?
She would be angry if she's fallen in love and consider Christian to be her man. I don't know any woman who would ruin her marriage just for sex with another guy. Emotional infidelity is a woman's thing and man's sexual/physical. Women wants to be the one and only.
 
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That's not why Vivian doesn't want Hutch to know she went to talk to Christian.
Her reasons are simple and straightforward.
1) The reason is to save her husband's job...
2) Vivian has never met Christian in the six years her husband has been working for him.
It seems obvious to me that she doesn't want Hutch to know... the night before, it was Hutch himself who made it clear to his wife that he didn't know how to avoid being fired.
If you read the dialogues that make Vivian decide to take action, you understand very well that Hutch is incapable of reacting and looking for a way to avoid being fired.


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  w "If a new job isn't an option, then you need to keep what you have."
h "What are you talking about?"
w "Well, maybe it's not too late, you know?... to keep your job... "
w "... he hasn't technically fired you so maybe there's still a chance."
h "A chance for what?  Mr. Landon getting a brain tumor between now and tomorrow morning?"
w "A chance for you to change his mind.  To prove you are still a valuable asset to him."
As you can see, the night before, Hutch is a weak man who cannot find any pathway out or alternative job that would allow him to maintain the standard of living he wanted for his family.
This is not a problem for Vivian
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 w "We'll invite him to dinner, cook his favorite dish, drink his favorite wine..."
h "I don't know... I don't think he'll fall for it."
w "It'll work.  We just have to get through the day, make him come to dinner."
h "How are we going to do that?  He's not a guy to be persuaded or intimidated.  Once he makes his mind up... that's it."
h "He'll pull me into his office first thing and cut the cord."
This tells us that he is unable to fight for the good of his family.

So you think he should throw away his 22 years of marriage to Vivian and prevent their son Sawyer from going to college?

Vivian is doing her role perfectly... She is his wife and the mother of their son!
Of course, in a marriage, decisions are made by mutual agreement, which is why it is very important to understand why Hutch married Vivian 22 years ago.

What?
The day Vivian meets Christian without her husband knowing is the first time she has seen him, so she had never cheated on Hutch before.

I don't think your comment makes sense. You are confusing the dynamics of the events that lead to Hutch accepting Vivian's betrayal because she saved him from being fired.
I did read the dialogue, and what YOU are saying does not make sense. I never said Vivian cheated on Hutch prior to meeting Christian, nor did I say, or in anyway imply that Vivian met Christian previously. You are making up things I never said or implied. You are also inconsistent in the things you post. In a previous post you said you could not understand why Vivian married such a boring man like Hutch, and in later posts you say how great he is. It is most likely that Vivian married Hutch because she thought he would be a good provider and he was a stable and dependable guy. Like a lot of women, and men too, she wanted security and stability over thrills. Men make this same kind of calculation when they talk about the kind of women you fuck versus the kind of women you marry.

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In my opinion, maybe this story isn’t that deep, it’s just a simple story about a failing marriage.
As we can clearly see, Vivian isn’t a good woman (in my opinion, she’s actually a very bad one). Throughout the story, I can’t find any valid excuse or reason to justify her actions as something done for the sake of her family. She does it mainly for herself. Personally, I don’t think she truly loves Hutch.


As for Christian, I don’t think he’s that bad. Like he said, he never forced Vivian to do anything, he just saw an opportunity and took it.


As for Hutch, he’s the most interesting character to me. Of course, he’s weak, pathetic, cowardly, the perfect “loser” setup. But in most stories, the quiet ones are the most dangerous. I’m waiting to see what he’ll do next (though I think in this story, he might end up doing nothing at all). Still, I hope he’ll do something.


As for Vivian, I think she’s simply a woman craving for sex, and that’s all. I think SC just portrays her that way, simple. I can’t apply any logic to her actions. She says she feels guilty, but clearly, she doesn’t truly feel that way.


I’ll wait for the next chapter. I hope this story will have an ending, many NSFW games get abandoned halfway through. And when this one is finished, I hope the creator (SC) will make more high-quality games like this. Thank you.
 
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In my opinion, maybe this story isn’t that deep, it’s just a simple story about a failing marriage.
As we can clearly see, Vivian isn’t a good woman (in my opinion, she’s actually a very bad one). Throughout the story, I can’t find any valid excuse or reason to justify her actions as something done for the sake of her family. She does it mainly for herself. Personally, I don’t think she truly loves Hutch.


As for Christian, I don’t think he’s that bad. Like he said, he never forced Vivian to do anything, he just saw an opportunity and took it.


As for Hutch, he’s the most interesting character to me. Of course, he’s weak, pathetic, cowardly, the perfect “loser” setup. But in most stories, the quiet ones are the most dangerous. I’m waiting to see what he’ll do next (though I think in this story, he might end up doing nothing at all). Still, I hope he’ll do something.


As for Vivian, I think she’s simply a woman craving for sex, and that’s all. I think SC just portrays her that way, simple. I can’t apply any logic to her actions. She says she feels guilty, but clearly, she doesn’t truly feel that way.


I’ll wait for the next chapter. I hope this story will have an ending, many NSFW games get abandoned halfway through. And when this one is finished, I hope the creator (SC) will make more high-quality games like this. Thank you.
Yes, and one of the opportunities that Christian took was to send Vivian into a situation where she was raped. Even if she wound up convincing herself that she enjoyed it the choice to send her into a dangerous situation because he expected her to like it was a vile, cruel, despicable thing to do. Christian is a monster.
 

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She can now tell Boss what her boundaries are. I don't expect he will respect them, but at least she herself knows what they are.
Until next time (party?) when he will do a sexual move or manipulate her, and she will fall again. They will fuck, she will enjoy, and then have her usual post sex tantrum. Rinse and repeat.

As other said, it's nothing complicated with her. She made a mistake (going to the office to "save her marriage"), but now she's enjoying her sex life from a selfish POV, even if it brought along a marriage crisis with her husband and an (almost) complete loss of self-esteem.

After chapter 2 and what the dev said, I don't expect anything good coming from Vivian. It's just remain to be seen how deep she will fall.
 
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Until next time (party?) when he will do a sexual move or manipulate her, and she will fall again. They will fuck, she will enjoy, and then have her usual post sex tantrum. Rinse and repeat.

As other said, it's nothing complicated with her. She made a mistake (going to the office to "save her marriage"), but now she's enjoying her sex life from a selfish POV, even if it brought along a marriage crisis with her husband and an (almost) complete loss of self-esteem.

After chapter 2 and what the dev said, I don't expect anything good coming from Vivian. It's just remain to be seen how deep she will fall.


Yes, this story is meant to show us how far Vivian can fall or maybe rise, depending on the perspective you take. We’re just here to enjoy the story that SC has created. I don’t think Vivian will bring anything good for us in the future (Except sex scene).


Christian is just… Christian.


I’m cheering for Hutch. He’s just a side character for now, but I really hope he can get himself out of this situation in a good, ideal way.


I truly enjoy this story and the community around it. I might not like the way Vivian and Hutch handle things in this story, but I’m really curious to see what will happen next.
 

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or maybe rise
I can't fathom anything that will make her rise. It seems that an almost certain "affair" with her student will lead to her dismissal, so no more job and financial independence. Even if she manages to stay with Hutch, the couple will be forever broken inside. At some point, Christian will throw her and find a new prey once he feels happy about the destruction he caused or/and his sexual gratification ended. So no more sexual gratification either.

Maybe for Hutch, if he has the strength to start over his life and find another partner.
 

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I can't fathom anything that will make her rise. It seems that an almost certain "affair" with her student will lead to her dismissal, so no more job and financial independence. Even if she manages to stay with Hutch, the couple will be forever broken inside. At some point, Christian will throw her and find a new prey once he feels happy about the destruction he caused or/and his sexual gratification ended. So no more sexual gratification either.

Maybe for Hutch, if he has the strength to start over his life and find another partner.
Do you think Hutch will go down with her?
 

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Do you think Hutch will go down with her?
Personally I think so, even if I wouldn't like it. No necessarily because I can relate with him, but seeing that this VN have so many strength and innovative points (visuals, dialogues, Viv's hotness), I thought that maybe it will also be a shift in terms of character archetypes in a ntr game. So far, it's not the case. Christian it's your cliché "bull", in a position of power, who make no mistakes, flawless (whom at least is not your typical old bastard). Vivian it's your cliché hot milf/wife without any agency or self-respect, who cheats on a husband whom she -apparently- loves but can't fulfill her in the sexual sphere. At least from what we've seen so far, Hutch looks like your undecided and passive husband/man, whom can't take the bull by the horns (and I'm not referring only to Christian ;)) and let others decide for him.

Let's see what chapter 3 brings, but I highly doubt it will be any different. We will know what's inside his mind without a big shift in terms of agency (teasers seem to indicate so). I'm open to surprises, though.
 
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Yeah, in my mind, I think Hutch will go down with her too. There’s no light at the end of the tunnel for this couple.
I wish things would go differently for Hutch in the end, but it’s an NTR game, and the story isn’t written in a way that will end well for him.
I don’t really care much about Vivian.
 
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But he did not ask her to....He did not want to bring her to dinner. Vivian thought she could save the day... She was wrong. I don't think he would have fired Hutch...
As usual, you're talking about hypotheses that have never been written into the game.
You should reread the dialogues from the day 1 of the chapter1.
I only said that I don't know any real men who come home and make their wives feel like they might be about to get fired

When Hutch gets home, Vivian is talking to their son, who is asking him for a check to pay his college tuition.
Wife said "Baby... You're home awful early..."
Hutch doesn't answer her, but you can see from his face that he's had a rough day... in fact, he comes home very early and thinks he's already been fired.
Hutch knows that he has been fired and the day after he can go to the office to collect his personal effect"

After endless seconds of silence, Vivian asks Hutch! Screenshot 2025-10-22 at 15.39.24.jpg
It seems obvious to me from Hutch's expression that he told her he had been FIRED, don't you think? Why else would his wife ask him, “ARE YOU SURE?”
Do you really think that Hutch, looking like a beaten dog, coming home early from work before lunch, would say to her... “Don't worry, dear, I just asked for a day off to take you to a restaurant and celebrate”? (This is what a real man who kept his wife away from his office for six years would do in this case. I would have immediately told my wife to celebrate.)

In my opinion, a real man doesn't bring his work problems home with him... after all, he's never talked about his boss until today... and he's been working for Christian for six years and has never taken a day off or come home for lunch.

This scene demostrates the weakness of Hutch!!!
Vivian works as teacher she is an indipedent woman...so why... Why make such a dramatic scene to his wife if he's not completely convinced that he's been fired?
 
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Not sure where you are picking up that he was fired. Christian said nothing to that effect. Hutch thinks he "MAY " get fired ... and his office mate also said that... But, Christian did not fire him. Later we find out that Hutch has more profit in his accounts that the others in his office.... He has less accounts... but Christian like the fact He is more profitable than the others. That is why he told Vivian he would not fire Hutch.. Now, Using all that against Vivian is How Christian is manipulating Vivian.
 
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Not sure where you are picking up that he was fired. Christian said nothing to that effect. Hutch thinks he "MAY " get fired ... and his office mate also said that... But, Christian did not fire him. Later we find out that Hutch has more profit in his accounts that the others in his office.... He has less accounts... but Christian like the fact He is more profitable than the others. That is why he told Vivian he would not fire Hutch.. Now, Using all that against Vivian is How Christian is manipulating Vivian.
I get this from Vivian reaction... everything started the day 1
Hutch told his wife he had been fired, and since you don't understand, I'll post the scene.
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Christian tells him to go home and come back tomorrow to talk about his future.
In fact, you have to admit that Christian was tactful and avoided telling him he was fired...
He lost two big clients because he asked for too much commission, and Christian warned him that GSA Group was a company that steals clients...
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If you remember, Christian will tell Vivian the real reason... Hutch was asking for too much commission because he had to pay his mortgage and had brought in two important clients...
In fact, it's Hutch himself who tells his wife: "WE ARE SCREWED!"

i think you need to reread the dialogues
 
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