Include a gratuitous scene that might not fit completely with the main story?


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Robb123456

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Well, we don't know what the company does, we know very little about it. The only part of it we see is the original office, kept for nostalgia, amongst other things, when the company expanded. There is a warehouse as well, so at the very least one other location. What we see only houses the sales function, plus a bit of admin. There are only two companies in the city providing whatever service it is, and the money is obviously good enough that other jobs just can't touch it, or Hutch wouldn't have been as dismissive of them during the job search, stating that he wouldn't be able to make as much elsewhere.

We don't know that Hutch has never lost clients before. We just know that as the catalyst for this game, he was told their rival was courting their clients, Hutch was told to shore up his portfolio (as, presumably the other guys were also told to do with their clients), and Hutch wasn't successful with two of his. I'd say the issue is more because it was two in a day, and after he had specifically been told to make sure it didn't happen. Businesses lose clients all the time, I bet everyone in that office has had clients drop them at some point, and they're still working there.

Wining and dining and trying to charm a prospective client is no less important when there are just two options available than when there are dozens. In fact, it's probably more important when the options are limited.
Guy it's the opposite, it's when there is a lot of options for a client that you have to do the extra mile.Look at their offices, it's not a big business. look at Christian house (my parents have a way bigger house and they are not rich). Money being good is not the same thing as being a huge company.

On a sidenote, i find it troubling Huctch lost the very clients Christian warned him about.
 
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Hutch is not going to have a good end in this story neither does Vivian. He can't defend his pride and not the honor of his wife.
Sorry but I don't see that happening. He proved 2 times that he can't plan or organize anything. Vivian had to look up for him at the internet on how to deal with clients and also the dine & wine scenario had been Vivian's idea before Christian took over. And what about the empty blog?
There is no way Hutch takes the initiative to run any plot against anyone!

Just take a look at the preview pics Dev sent us a couple of days before. Hutch at the nudie bar!
You are going to the nudie bar to have fun, relax and let some steam off. Even Al Bundy, a shoe salesman knows how to appreciate that kind of place. What does Hutch do? Exactly...n o t h i n g !
Would you be satisfied with this ending or would you be concerned about stomach pain?
 

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Tbh, Vivian's "ideas" are plainly stupid and it shows her actual experience of sales comes from the shows she watches on tv :
It's not from tv series it's from the internet after doing some research.

- Chrsitian's business appears to be medium sized and definitely not proposing high end products. Spending time and money to wine and dine the client would be only worth it if he would command very large amount of items. Most of their clients will only be responsive to the bottom line factor, you can visit them and sign a contract in the same run if you're convincing.
The wine & dine plan has nothing to do with convincing the clients. This wine & dine plan was Vivian's idea to persuade Christian to keep Hutch in the company Christian owns.

-Her husband has been doing this for 6 years, so he must have been good at sales ( espcially considering the first times he has lost lcients ,his job is in jeopardy)
Oh and why did he lost two important clients without even knowing? Why did those clients not inform Hutch who should be their contact person?
From my pov because he's not very committed to this job. Only good for numbers but to handle clients is sth that is a little out of his reach.

- Wining and dining clients are eligible tactics when you wanna "charm" a client, meaning it's very hard to get. Most seen in cases the client got so many choices : choice of an attorney, investment banker, etc.

All this to say Vivian trying to help her husband lookin up google and having seen all Suits seasons is purely laughable.
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The wine & dine plan has nothing to do with convincing the clients. This wine & dine plan was Vivian's idea to persuade Christian to keep Hutch in the company Christian owns.
 
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It's not from tv series it's from the internet after doing some research.


The wine & dine plan has nothing to do with convincing the clients. This wine & dine plan was Vivian's idea to persuade Christian to keep Hutch in the company Christian owns.


Oh and why did he lost two important clients without even knowing? Why did those clients not inform Hutch who should be their contact person?
From my pov because he's not very committed to this job. Only good for numbers but to handle clients is sth that is a little out of his reach.


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The wine & dine plan has nothing to do with convincing the clients. This wine & dine plan was Vivian's idea to persuade Christian to keep Hutch in the company Christian owns.
Why would it be convincing if this was for another reason. From a guy who's signing and managing contracts on a daily basis, i would strongly advise you to not have this "idea" if you lost a string of clients. You lost your clients, not because u weren't cuddly enough but bc u weren't watching your competition enough.
 

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Dev told us his story will have a heavy dark end and all you guys come up with is that Hutch reaches a level of self confident out of nowhere and and can cope with everything. That's just not going to happen.



Dark Finale, quiet, Hutch kills himself after being mocked by the city, his colleagues and his wife with Chris, the aim of the game, humiliate him, humiliate him, to make him commit suicide.
 

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Guy it's the opposite, it's when there is a lot of options for a client that you have to do the extra mile.Look at their offices, it's not a big business. look at Christian house (my parents have a way bigger house and they are not rich). Money being good is not the same thing as being a huge company.

On a sidenote, i find it troubling Huctch lost the very clients Christian warned him about.
Christian told him to shore up all of his customers, not just the two who then left.

We don't know how big the company is, just that the sales office is the original office before they expanded. It could be really big - we just don't know what service they provide. Maybe they don't need a huge office, it doesn't mean they aren't really successful (successful doesn't automatically mean physically huge).
The wine & dine plan has nothing to do with convincing the clients. This wine & dine plan was Vivian's idea to persuade Christian to keep Hutch in the company Christian owns.
The wining and dining is Vivian's idea for the customers, to show the human touch. They are just going to try it out on Christian first, to show him what they mean by it, and that it works. Though of course, that backfires, in a sense...
 
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On a sidenote, i find it troubling Huctch lost the very clients Christian warned him about.
While some have commented that maybe this hints at Hutch not being very good at his job altogether, I think it is also possible that Christian somehow knew these clients were in jeopardy of being lost (perhaps for reasons outside of Hutch's control) and then informed Hutch about it when it was already too late to retain their business. If that were the case, then this would have set things up to where Christian could blame Hutch for losing the two clients, though not really his fault.
 

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Christian told him to shore up all of his customers, not just the two who then left.
With that being the case, what I just said would not be as much of a possibility, but it still may have been due to factors outside of Hutch's control that those two clients just so happened to take their business elsewhere around the same time.
 

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Christian told him to shore up all of his customers, not just the two who then left.

We don't know how big the company is, just that the sales office is the original office before they expanded. It could be really big - we just don't know what service they provide. Maybe they don't need a huge office, it doesn't mean they aren't really successful (successful doesn't automatically mean physically huge).

The wining and dining is Vivian's idea for the customers, to show the human touch. They are just going to try it out on Christian first, to show him what they mean by it, and that it works. Though of course, that backfires, in a sense...
If your job is to sale things, yes being very succesfull means being huge bc u need a lot of administrative functions (sales, legal, accounting, hr, eventually it). Even for a medium sized company, that'sa lot of people. I remind you the sales room is not very crowded. Christian didn't give a shit about Vivian ideas, he just knew he was gonna use this to hit that.
 

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If your job is to sale things, yes being very succesfull means being huge bc u need a lot of administrative functions (sales, legal, accounting, hr, eventually it). Even for a medium sized company, that'sa lot of people. I remind you the sales room is not very crowded. Christian didn't give a shit about Vivian ideas, he just knew he was gonna use this to hit that.
But we already know that almost all the other business functions are at a different location. So we have literally no idea how big the company is. It's a bit pointless to speculate on the size of the company when we know so little about it. It could be that the vast majority of it is at the other location (maybe there are several other locations?). Literally all we know about the size of it is that we only see the sales function - and corporate sales at that, it's not like individual consumers where they'd need phonebanks manned by dozens of employees.
 
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The wining and dining is Vivian's idea for the customers, to show the human touch. They are just going to try it out on Christian first, to show him what they mean by it, and that it works. Though of course, that backfires, in a sense...
"Wine&Dine" idea from Vivian has it aim at having diner and wine with Christian at their house for Hutch having the possibility to present the Five-Point plan Vivian researched on the internet and to sell all as Hutch's idea. This way they wanted to convince Hutch's boss that Hutch is willing to do everything to keep his job.

Christian recognized their wine & dine plan and knew it was Vivian's idea.
The Five-point plan
  • Focusing on interpersonal relationships with clients
  • Making a personal connection with them
  • Family
  • Researching the client's personal lives, hobbies, interests
  • incorporating that into your social interactions and sales pitch
never found the ears of Christian!
 

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"Wine&Dine" idea from Vivian has it aim at having diner and wine with Christian at their house for Hutch having the possibility to present the Five-Point plan Vivian researched on the internet and to sell it as Hutch's idea. This way they wanted to convince Hutch's boss that Hutch is willing to do everything to keep his job.

Christian recognized their wine & dine plan and knew it was Vivian's idea.
The Five-point plan
  • Focusing on interpersonal relationships with clients
  • Making a personal connection with them
  • Family
  • Researching the client's personal lives, hobbies, interests
  • incorporating that into your social interactions and sales pitch
never found the ears of Christian!
Those things you bullet point are the "wining and dining" part, just not using those words. Vivian says they'll test it on Christian because Hutch knows him - he knows his favourite food, his favourite wine, so they'll wine and dine him to show him the plan in action. It's like he's the test subject for it.
 
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But we already know that almost all the other business functions are at a different location. So we have literally no idea how big the company is. It's a bit pointless to speculate on the size of the company when we know so little about it. It could be that the vast majority of it is at the other location (maybe there are several other locations?). Literally all we know about the size of it is that we only see the sales function - and corporate sales at that, it's not like individual consumers where they'd need phonebanks manned by dozens of employees.
This gives me another idea, what if Christian is doing some shady deals and is hiding the company’s money in a Swiss bank account or money laundering, and only Hitch looks close enough at the contracts to find this but keeps it to himself and makes copies to be the whistleblower for immunity that he and Addison don’t go to jail, but every other employee does, including your cheating wife, or maybe she doesn’t go but she will she go visit Christian in prison for conjugal visits?
The last words hitch will say to Christian “Hey boss don’t drop the soap” :ROFLMAO:
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This gives me another idea, what if Christian is doing some shady deals and is hiding the company’s money in a Swiss bank account or money laundering, and only Hitch looks close enough at the contracts to find this but keeps it to himself and makes copies to be the whistleblower for immunity that he and Addison don’t go to jail, but every other employee does, including your cheating wife, or maybe she doesn’t go but she will she go visit Christian in prison for conjugal visits?
LOL... not bad !
 

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The office work and all the speculation surrounding it are not that important or interesting.
The story is only interesting for one good reason, the interpersonal relationships and dialog.
Keep in mind that we will have a maximum of 3x3=9 sexual acts per episode. The rest goes into the dialog and a few side stories that may not be that relavant. In my opinion only the son story could be interesting.
There won't be as much time and space for many more characters. That would ruin the story and overload it.
The focus will remain on Hutch, Vivian, Christian and the humiliation.
 

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You are mixing the wine&dine idea with the five-point plan Vivian worked out for Hutch.
I just reviewed the script and it's more or less the same thing and it's idiotic. Either she 's a total idiot thinking what she says is a good idea or either she thinks so highly of herself to think it'sa remotely good solution. Real world doesn't work like this. Not to mention, inviting your boss to dinner after he basically tells you he would fire youthe next dayis again laughable. guys i like the VN like you, but you are worrying me thinking it's remotely believable situation.
 
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The boss doesnt care about the wining and dining of clients, he just wants to take her out and show her what it would be like as one of his bitches instead of staying with Hutch, dont know of any business meeting that requires your tits to be out.

It is all a joke to him, a game. He is probably hoping that she is seen out with him so it humiliates Hutch even more.

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The boss doesnt care about the wining and dining of clients, he just wants to take her out and show her what it would be like as one of his bitches instead of staying with Hutch, dont know of any business meeting that requires your tits to be out.

It is all a joke to him, a game. He is probably hoping that she is seen out with him so it humiliates Hutch even more.

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So which corner are you working tonight? I Feel like trying out a younger model so will go elsewhere.
Exactly, she goes by herself in the lion's den, thinking she's got something to add to the table. Hadn't guessed it was just herself.
 
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It doesn't matter how many discussions about the different POVs at the end we must wait for the dev and his personal way to create this story. I think he will make some corrections to create more intense scene. At the end is going to be a such great game. I am very sure.
 

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Really real world...lol! Now saying it's nearly the same though it isn't just reveals that you didn't understood what was going on on day 1.
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This is the script. If you think that's how the real world works, yeah, i cannot do anything for you. Good salesmen don't need this kind of bs. Mostt of great salesmen i've encountered just know how most the humans react in certain situations and don't need to know anything about their cliens' life to make them sign a contract.
 
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