Robb123456

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Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#A Husband's Sacrifice : we saw it, explained by the end of the chapter

#The Price of Love : I think it echoes with this sentence of Christian :
"When a man realizes he's fallin in love, it's not a joyous day. It's a somber day.""Because he realizes he now has to step up and be that provider... be that protector. His life's roll has forever changed." "When you love them so much you give them whatever their little heart's desire..." "... even if you wished they didn't.".
I think it's supposed to transition from a reluctant Vivian to a more enthousiast participant in Christian's games.

#Shadows of Forgiveness : The most enigmatic. It leaves the impression a reonciliation between the 2 of them would at some point be possible. Maybe Vivian has realized Chrstian is a POS, maybe Hutch has "cheated" also. Idk, we'll see.

#Shadows of Forgiveness : Somebody has used the word "ominous" for this title and i couldn't agree more. Looks like something terrible will happen for the couple and even the family.
 

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I know the dev is obliged to take some "arrangements" with the logic to tell the story he wants to tell, but don't say Vivian is smart, please. Nor that she's strong, all we have seen indicates the opposite.
It comes across as Vivian thinking she's wise enough to know what needs to be done. But honestly her character feels more naive, and quite narcissistic. Everything she is doing is not for Hutch, nor for the two of them, its clearly for herself.
The dev has done a good job, of adding misdirection in her dialog (intentional or unintentional), to make it sound like she thinks she is caring for her family, but come-on! Who continuously fucks their husband's boss for any reason other their selfish reasons? Especially knowing it would not be something their husband would want, and would hurt them immeasurably if the find out!

That's why I said their relationship is superficial.
Vivian doesn't admit she cheated on him because she fears it could break him, neither does Hutch about his knowledge because he's affraid of losing her.
Every question is followed by a counter question. It's like they lived a life for 22 years like neighbors and not like a couple.
From experience, being in a long term marriage, husband and wife tend to develop assigned roles, tasks and chores in the relationship. Sounds like Vivian probably had a more prominent role in the decision making for the family, but that isn't a sign of weakness in Hutch. I allow my wife get away with lots of stuff, and make many choices, gladly compromising to keep her happy. (She does for me too.) It isn't happy wife = happy life, but happy spouse = happy house.
I figure Hutch for the most part, is similar in that respect.
Her refusal to admit to her cheating by constantly lying would be killing him every time her talks to her or thinks about her.
And he has given her plenty of opportunities.
Christian seeing this dynamic as a weakness just shows how little he understands a real relationship, that isn't just sex.

Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably
Must be her M.O. don't you think? I mean she used sex to try and manipulate Christian too, only she was the one who got played. Christian has realized that about her, and that's why he want's her to use her sex appeal to woo clients.
Hutch, after 22 years, is capable to resist her charms when needed. In this circumstance, resisting her was child's play.
 

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I have many theories if these titles really mean anything.

#A Husband's Sacrifice-Hutch watches and is told of Vivians exploits and future acts for him and the company.(cliffhanger someone was recording the purple dress scene)

#The Price of Love-Twins have a video of her actions and if she doesn't play with them as well they will tell Sawyer.(cliffhanger Sawyer finds out by accidently seeing the video)

#Shadows of Forgiveness-Sawyer reveals to his dad what her saw, Hutch is furious approaches Christian and Vivian and tells what has happened. Vivian contacts son but doesn't want to talk to her.(cliffhanger the twins go missing)

#Shadows of Silence-Hutch goes home tells Vivian this must end if it doesn't its over. Vivian agrees but Christian has claimed her and will not let her go. He threatens Hutch Vivian kills him calls Hutch and they get rid of the body. They go home to find Sawyer in the living room he reveals he killed the twins. After a long talk they decide they will wait a while till things settle then leave.
 

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From experience, being in a long term marriage, husband and wife tend to develop assigned roles, tasks and chores in the relationship. Sounds like Vivian probably had a more prominent role in the decision making for the family, but that isn't a sign of weakness in Hutch. I allow my wife get away with lots of stuff, and make many choices, gladly compromising to keep her happy. (She does for me too.) It isn't happy wife = happy life, but happy spouse = happy house.
I figure Hutch for the most part, is similar in that respect.
I'm glad you have a balanced relationship with your wife.
But with regard to Hutch we witnessed he's just terrible in decision making. Be it buying a car (expensive german car with hick ups) for his wife or finding a solution for his dilemma at work. All that leads to the assumption that Vivian had to step up in their marriage to take over the position of the head of the family. She takes the responsibility of the needs of the family and Hutch just provides most of the money. This not a healthy compromis in a relationship.
 
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the assumption that Vivian had to step up in their marriage to take over the position of the head of the family.
She simply takes it from him, she doesn't HAVE to. Which is confirmed by the fact that she does it behind his back which is unbelievably stupid because by this very fact she destroys his standing at the job which she supposedly wants to secure. That shows that it's not responsibility but ego and panic on her side. She oversteps and hurts him and their common interest thereby.
 

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All that leads to the assumption that Vivian had to step up in their marriage to take over the position of the head of the family. She takes the responsibility of the needs of the family and Hutch just provides most of the money. This not a healthy compromis in a relationship.
As you wrote: takes is the key word, and that's the issue. Its not about the family, it's about her.
It isn't healthy if she does not listen to Hutch, and vice versa. I guess the dynamic worked for them in the past. It isn't working going forward.
To paraphrase Vivian: "Your the man of the house Hutch AnD mAke AlL tHe DesiciOns, if you want me to continue fucking your boss, even though I can chose not to, I will, because that's what you truly want!, Oh and I love you mOrE tHaN aNyThIng"

The more I analyze the game (which I've got no idea why I am.... thanks a lot SC games!), the more pathetic I found Vivian's character. It's like her external beauty is inversely proportional to her internal ugliness.
How could someone who supposedly loves their husband more than anything, expect him to work for the guy she is cheating with. Surely she knows how fucked that is, and how much it would hurt her husband!
 

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She simply takes it from him, she doesn't HAVE to. Which is confirmed by the fact that she does it behind his back which is unbelievably stupid because by this very fact she destroys his standing at the job which she supposedly wants to secure. That shows that it's not responsibility but ego and panic on her side. She oversteps and hurts him and their common interest thereby.
I have said that before but Viviane often behaves more like a mother than a spouse with Hutch. You can see it by the nicknames she gives him : "My sweet Prince", "My sweet baby". Even the body language, sometimes :


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An nothing kills more the desire in a couple than the man not looking after himself or unable to stand up for himself. A lot of guys who have dead bedroom marriage don't get that. That being said :

- the guy provides for the family
- in 40 years of marriage, my dad never bought a car to my mother or any kind of big ticket item. Hutch did.
- He's a good father and a good husband.

Are these elements explaining partly Vivian's cheating ? Maybe. Is it an excuse ? Absolutely not.

The more I analyze the game (which I've got no idea why I am.... thanks a lot SC games!), the more pathetic I found Vivian's character. It's like her external beauty is inversely proportional to her internal ugliness.
How could someone who supposedly loves their husband more than anything, expect him to work for the guy she is cheating with. Surely she knows how fucked that is, and how much it would hurt her husband!
Tbh, Hutch's final stance doesnt make sense either. Idk if he knows that Vivian knows he knows (Ooof), but it's an insane response to the situation they're in. But i guess, we'll get more info later.
 

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I have said that before but Viviane often behaves more like a mother than a spouse with Hutch. You can see it by the nicknames she gives him : "My sweet Prince", "My sweet baby". Even the body language, sometimes :


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An nothing kills more the desire in a couple than the man not looking after himself or unable to stand up for himself. A lot of guys who have dead bedroom marriage don't get that. That being said :

- the guy provides for the family
- in 40 years of marriage, my dad never bought a car to my mother or any kind of big ticket item. Hutch did.
- He's a good father and a good husband.

Are these elements explaining partly Vivian's cheating ? Maybe. Is it an excuse ? Absolutely not.



Tbh, Hutch's final stance doesn't make sense either. Idk if he knows that Vivian knows he knows (Ooof), but it's an insane response to the situation they're in. But i guess, we'll get more info later.
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Here is my take on her sex with Christian. Vivian mentioned to Christian the Hutch does satisfy her but needs to have some help sometimes (blue pill) to get started. She also mentioned to Hutch he was a tiger when she wore a sexy nightgown. So I think Hutch and Vivian have fallen into that stale bedroom. So here comes Christian... a sex dynamo .. Vivian doesn't know what to do . She hates him but loves the sex. Only think hutch can do is open the marriage for now. He has to let that run it's course. She has to be the one to stop.. Right now she can't... says she will ...but she can't
 

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I have said that before but Viviane often behaves more like a mother than a spouse with Hutch. You can see it by the nicknames she gives him : "My sweet Prince", "My sweet baby". Even the body language, sometimes :


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An nothing kills more the desire in a couple than the man not looking after himself or unable to stand up for himself. A lot of guys who have dead bedroom marriage don't get that. That being said :

- the guy provides for the family
- in 40 years of marriage, my dad never bought a car to my mother or any kind of big ticket item. Hutch did.
- He's a good father and a good husband.

Are these elements explaining partly Vivian's cheating ? Maybe. Is it an excuse ? Absolutely not.



Tbh, Hutch's final stance doesnt make sense either. Idk if he knows that Vivian knows he knows (Ooof), but it's an insane response to the situation they're in. But i guess, we'll get more info later.
When I look at this pic it reminds me of when my son was little I would ruffle his hair and say it's going to be alright lil buddy.
 

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Here is my take on her sex with Christian. Vivian mentioned to Christian the Hutch does satisfy her but needs to have some help sometimes (blue pill) to get started. She also mentioned to Hutch he was a tiger when she wore a sexy nightgown. So I think Hutch and Vivian have fallen into that stale bedroom. So here comes Christian... a sex dynamo .. Vivian doesn't know what to do . She hates him but loves the sex. Only think hutch can do is open the marriage for now. He has to let that run it's course. She has to be the one to stop.. Right now she can't... says she will ...but she can't
Minus the sex that was her first major betrayal.
 

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It comes across as Vivian thinking she's wise enough to know what needs to be done. But honestly her character feels more naive, and quite narcissistic. Everything she is doing is not for Hutch, nor for the two of them, its clearly for herself.
The dev has done a good job, of adding misdirection in her dialog (intentional or unintentional), to make it sound like she thinks she is caring for her family, but come-on! Who continuously fucks their husband's boss for any reason other their selfish reasons? Especially knowing it would not be something their husband would want, and would hurt them immeasurably if the find out!



From experience, being in a long term marriage, husband and wife tend to develop assigned roles, tasks and chores in the relationship. Sounds like Vivian probably had a more prominent role in the decision making for the family, but that isn't a sign of weakness in Hutch. I allow my wife get away with lots of stuff, and make many choices, gladly compromising to keep her happy. (She does for me too.) It isn't happy wife = happy life, but happy spouse = happy house.
I figure Hutch for the most part, is similar in that respect.
Her refusal to admit to her cheating by constantly lying would be killing him every time her talks to her or thinks about her.
And he has given her plenty of opportunities.
Christian seeing this dynamic as a weakness just shows how little he understands a real relationship, that isn't just sex.


Must be her M.O. don't you think? I mean she used sex to try and manipulate Christian too, only she was the one who got played. Christian has realized that about her, and that's why he want's her to use her sex appeal to woo clients.
Hutch, after 22 years, is capable to resist her charms when needed. In this circumstance, resisting her was child's play.
so many of my questions answered in one... tips hat. i had similar relationship with my wife for 10 years .... more of a bond kind of thing... we were just so in tune with each other. there was a lot of communication and maybe that's the reason y we knew exactly what the other wanted in any given situation... we used the term dominant in this thread but in a marriage its more about being in sync with one another ... know from just a glance how your spouse feels and what they need.

about the M.O. she does tell christian that intimacy is hutch's way of telling her he loves her... so at this point vivian should have know something was wrong instead of telling christian all about their intimate details.
The more I analyze the game (which I've got no idea why I am.... thanks a lot SC games!), the more pathetic I found Vivian's character. It's like her external beauty is inversely proportional to her internal ugliness.
How could someone who supposedly loves their husband more than anything, expect him to work for the guy she is cheating with. Surely she knows how fucked that is, and how much it would hurt her husband!
this is what exactly is happening to me. and the failure in understanding what you have stated above by vivian is what baffled me. even at the start of the game where you have the only choice in the game you start to hate the way vivian is. as a teacher doesn't she have the brain cells to come up with that logic. this is why is say there is a lot of porn logic in the vn.
 

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...and every now and then, especially after a home game of the basketball team, Hutch rests on the couch while listening to mattresses symphony coming from their bedroom...
Yup! I just hope we see a crib with a baby crying that we know isn't Hutch's baby. Doesn't have to be Christian's since the lying scumbag "SAYS" he got fixed. I'm OK with the baby being Christian's or some other guy's baby.
 

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The first real error of Vivian which conditions all the others is when she starts lying, and it begins way before the cheating : She goes behind his back to see his boss, lies about it, she receives a shameless dress from him, lies again. She lies to go the dinner. In 24 hours she has told 3 major lies who would have been very problematic by themselves in any relationship. Then, it's a toboggan of lies during the predinner. Rest is history :D
 

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The first real error of Vivian which conditions all the others is when she starts lying, and it begins way before the cheating : She goes behind his back to see his boss, lies about it, she receives a shameless dress from him, lies again. She lies to go the dinner. In 24 hours she has told 3 major lies who would have been very problematic by themselves in any relationship. Then, it's a toboggan of lies during the predinner. Rest is history :D
Im agree with you but without Vivians behavior we wouldnt have a game to play or a KN t see . So i ll just wait what the dev has prepared for us. That Vivians cheat is a fact and is not a mistery and that she like to continues fucking with Christian is not a secret is being shown already . So what is left to discover only if she gets more corrupted and ruined all what for me would be a devastating end or if she turn back behave and admited the whole chaos and slut accting accepting that she is fallen without her controlling into sex only with Christian and save her marriage. Another scenario what would be a schock is that Vivians betraye in such a way that she at the end turn against hutch and blame him for letting her go far into Christian and that would be so dark then she would take the hand of Christian once again in turn her back to Hutch and just go. That is what i am personal expecting. That is sad but real.
 
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