VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[TheDuke9999]

i believe this with all my heart. she went there fully knowing what would happen the moment he kissed her in front of hutch. she didnt regret doing what she did. she just regrets destroying hutch and doing it right in front of his face. she regrets destroying her loyalty, vows, image but deep down she knew she wanted to cuck hutch. of course she feels bad for hutch but she doesnt feel bad falling in love with the boss. if you watch she sits on his lap, holds hands , allows the boss to treat her as a girlfriend and not just a piece of booty. a person can say anything they want but they show there true selves through there actions . no matter what lie the boss tells her she agrees to anything he tells her . knowing full well the boss is going to conquer her and humiliate hutch at this dinner when he bangs her with hutch watching and not needing a cuck pill as she said while the boss makes her his woman for good and yes you guessed it , vivian wont be coming home to hubby at night anymore like she promised .. end of story.... P.S. i hope hutch grows some balls and bangs the boss and vivian mothers and puts it on everyone's pc's at the boss workplace waving his middle finger in the air as he blasts in the boss's moms face ....... go hutch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[packard1928]

After Christian met Vivian ...it was game on. Look at all the office antics he did to openly flirt with her. And she fell for it. Then the big one was the dress and the dinner. Hutch was NOT to bring her... She did not trust that or sub consciously want to go see him. But she realizes that the test was not for Hutch ...but for Her ! By going she played here hand and he took every advantage. Al in all Christian probably would not have fired Hutch...even as numbers guy... I think he is important to his business.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I agree. that will be the starting point and the end of the story. Why has she lost respect for hutch?

In this VN the most real world thing is why Vivian lost respect for Hutch. Men are classified as leaders, conquers, strong, dominate, ambitious. Does Hutch have any of these characteristics. Christian pointed it out at the dinner. Christian imbodied those characteristics that's what women want. It was said in the thread Vivian treated Hutch like a child not a husband or a man. That falls on Hutch.

 

[DarkArchon]

There hasn't been any evidence in the story so far - this sounds like rose-tinted glasses for characters otherwise having plot armor.

I DO think it would add to the story if Christian were depicted in some manner overstepping, or choosing the wrong mark.

Problem is a majority of the fans, despite drooling all over the concept of 'realism' probably don't want that, as a fallible antagonist is more believable yet less threatening. That sounds thorny because I see this as a superhero movie for avn ntr fans, yet people are spending paragraphs and paragraphs analyzing the characters powers, as if they play by any set of rules.

I do enjoy the occassional superhero movie, just not the claptrap.

Christian made it clear that it was certain type of man whose wife he would go after. He referred to them as perfect betas. His testing Vivian also shows that he tests the waters before he jumps in. This does not mean that he could not get it wrong at some point. That is not what I was suggesting in the post that Prenumbral was quoting. For example, bullies pick on people they think they can bully, but they still get it wrong sometimes. Just because the bully gets his ass kicked doesn't mean he wasn't careful in choosing the mark. He just got it wrong that time.

 

[packard1928]

See Guys... I think she DOES Love and respect him. Enough to screw his boss to save that for him. Twisted as that may sound. Again, I think we have not seen the true Hutch...And Vivian knows it.. We just have not seen it.

 

[TheDuke9999]

See Guys... I think she DOES Love and respect him. Enough to screw his boss to save that for him. Twisted as that may sound. Again, I think we have not seen the true Hutch...And Vivian knows it.. We just have not seen it.

 

[packard1928]

Duke... that is great ! What we don't see is the sniper riffle he is holding !

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

To be fair, though, the overarching narrative in MHB is still in the early stages, so it could very well be that we will see the vulnerable side of Christian in future updates, if he ends up overstepping Vivian's boundaries - so I would not entirely rule out that possible scenario from panning out if anything.

Heh if so this'll be one of the first AVNs in history where the narrative goes from less character development and more simple characters in service of sex scenes early on to more complex motivations later on.... Would love to see that though

Christian made it clear that it was certain type of man whose wife he would go after. He referred to them as perfect betas. His testing Vivian also shows that he tests the waters before he jumps in. This does not mean that he could not get it wrong at some point. That is not what I was suggesting in the post that Prenumbral was quoting. For example, bullies pick on people they think they can bully, but they still get it wrong sometimes. Just because the bully gets his ass kicked doesn't mean he wasn't careful in choosing the mark. He just got it wrong that time.

But if we never see instances of 'getting it wrong', the audience could be forgiven for thinking the characters operate outside the realm of real world believability; hence my quip about superhero movies. Asserting a character acts in X way because of Y doesn't mean much until we see that tested in a not(X) or not(Y) environment; which is why a lot of this editorializing falls flat with me.

It's using fictional characters as supporting evidence for preexisting beliefs. Despite people saying "this is so" and "that is so", all I see is characters written very much within the confines of fictional ntr story characters.


Related but in different media - it reminds me when people would see "No Country for Old Men", and pontificate on and on about "hurr durr it represents the lawlessness in society and the lack of order"....no, it's a friggin fictional movie, and tells us what the writer wants to tell us. Any parallels drawn with the real world belong to the viewer. Unlike many I didn't see Chigurh as some mastermind criminal, I saw him as a paper-thin plot insert from a writer.

 

[TheDuke9999]

i wonder what vivian and the boss's kids will look like ? well at least hutch will have plenty of time raising the boss's kids while the boss and vivian keep making more kids for hutch to take care of.

 

[X|Mortis]

boss's moms

Would love to see Christian's momma. I bet she's an A+++ class MILF

Or probably a GILF, if we assume Christian to be around the same age as both Vivian/Hutch, maybe even 2-3 years older than the two of them

 

[DarkArchon]

Heh if so this'll be one of the first AVNs in history where the narrative goes from less character development and more simple characters in service of sex scenes early on to more complex motivations later on.... Would love to see that though

But if we never see instances of 'getting it wrong', the audience could be forgiven for thinking the characters operate outside the realm of real world believability; hence my quip about superhero movies. Asserting a character acts in X way because of Y doesn't mean much until we see that tested in a not(X) or not(Y) environment; which is why a lot of this editorializing falls flat with me.

It's using fictional characters as supporting evidence for preexisting beliefs. Despite people saying "this is so" and "that is so", all I see is characters written very much within the confines of fictional ntr story characters.


Related but in different media - it reminds me when people would see "No Country for Old Men", and pontificate on and on about "hurr durr it represents the lawlessness in society and the lack of order"....no, it's a friggin fictional movie, and tells us what the writer wants to tell us. Any parallels drawn with the real world belong to the viewer. Unlike many I didn't see Chigurh as some mastermind criminal, I saw him as a paper-thin plot insert from a writer.

I never saw, "No Country for Old Men" so I am not familiar with the specific characters you are referring to. I do believe I get the concept of what you are writing though. Has the story shown Christian avoiding the same game with a different couple where the outcome would be very unfavorable to him if he tried the same game with the new couple? The answer is, "No." Would having something like that in the story give more credibility to the idea that he picks his targets? The answer is, "Yes." By the same token it is fairly obvious there are some people he would probably be less likely to try this with. For example, a couple where the husband was large, strong, jealous, and had a reputation for knocking out guys that flirted with his wife. When I go through the game again, I will think about what you wrote.

 

[Sparta VI]

In this VN the most real world thing is why Vivian lost respect for Hutch. Men are classified as leaders, conquers, strong, dominate, ambitious. Does Hutch have any of these characteristics. Christian pointed it out at the dinner. Christian imbodied those characteristics that's what women want. It was said in the thread Vivian treated Hutch like a child not a husband or a man. That falls on Hutch.

I don't think Hutch was a special leader type like Christian. He had other characteristics that Vivian found interesting. I think something else happened before the story with Christian as to why they lost respect.
“It was said in this thread that Vivian treated Hutch like a child, not like a husband or a man”,
Yes I think Hutch and Vivian both show symptoms of empty nest syndrome (Sawyer). I think that's one of the reasons she treats Hutch like a child.
this can also be interpreted as a lack of respect in a partnership.

 

[xX-Nathan-Xx]

THE ATRIBUTES - (The anticipation of being caught, Cheating, Jealousy, Spying, Peeping, Lying, Late night texting, and phone call talking, Denying, Secrets Meetings, Teasing, Blackmail, Voyeurism, Regrets, Emotional pain, etc etc.) Most DEVELOPERS add all this attributes in their games as the main foundation of their game STORIES

BUT most most DEVELOPERS they extinguish or kill all the attributes very fast for the sake of SEX SCENES

How they do that I'll tell you.

What they do their story

You see, the main GOAL of any game when it comes to visual novels is the STORY.

So what most DEVELOPERS do...They rush with the story they skip and kill all the important attributes their game contains. Just to reach out and unfold the story fast so they can bring out and present the SEX SCENE.

And they present the SEX SCENE in such a way that actually kill many important attributes in just that one moment...And the more attributes is killed and extinguished on the way of SEX SCENES...The game slowly starts to fade and it becomes less and less interesting due to the lack of attributes that STORY used to have as a primary foundation content.

Let me give you an example:

If Voyeurism is added as one of the attribute in the game STORY. Voyeurism is mostly consider someone who secretly spying on others having sex... it's not entirely BUT mostly. So the Hutch-(Husband) He was actually engaging in Voyeurism activity (story attribute)...The moment you EXPOSE him to others that he is Voyeur who secretly watching someone have sex...in that moment you killed and extinguish the Voyeurism attribute in your game STORY...

The same with Jealousy attribute...IF you suddenly take away Jealousy from the Hutch-(Husband) again you killed and extinguish one more attribute that makes STORY interesting...SO the jealousy should always be kept in check...so that Hutch-(Husband) always stay jealous despite what happening to him or around him...

The same with Cheating...IF the Hutch-(Husband) allowed his Vivian(WIFE) to Cheat with his Christian(BOSS) Then it's NOT Cheating anymore and the YET again you killed and extinguish one more important attribute in your game STORY...

NOW you getting the picture what I'm trying to tell you

The attributes you add to your game are what define the main foundations of the STORY. And if those attributes are Killed or extinguish on the way of rushing for the sake of SEX SCENES...

Then very soon after all your attributes are killed...the STORY itself will fade and be less and less interesting...and due to that many players will lose interest in your game and they will look for another NEW game who will give them all those attributes that will keep their interest when they first start playing the NEW visual novel.

My opinions and thoughts:

DON'T make and don't turn Hutch-(Husband) so fast into open and public Cuckold. That everyone will know about it...Especially his Wife or his Boss.

EVEN if he becomes Cuckold, keep him in the dark in a sense his wife should never know that he is into that HE should always keep that secret and always be Jealous of what his wife is doing with his Boss and HE should always be aware of what his wife is doing BUT he should NEVER tell her that he knows of her SEXUAL encounters with his BOSS or other characters in the future.

Keep the Vivian(WIFE) always denying and Lying to Hutch-(Husband) of what's happening with his Boss and all SEXUAL activities in the future with other characters...So that plot lines can always be presents and the STORY attributes never killed

Because the moment all the plotlines is exposed and every secret is out and all doors are open...then that's it...its over. The moment the STORY is faded due to the lack of killed attributes...Then the CHARACTERS and the SEX SCENES means NOTHING. And due to that most players will leave the game and go look for something NEW to play. What do you think WHY? not all BUT most the DEVELOPERS abandoned their project games...They lack interest from players...They kill the STORY fast because they think the SEX SCENES and Animations are more important.

I wrote this much because I like your game and the character models...You are on your way to make something really GREAT...Just try not to kill the STORY and its attributes fast. Can't wait for the next update to see where the story goes...

 

[Adhdclassic]

Vivian always did have a choice of course. I feel that she is a lot more wishy-washy and submissive in her mannerisms around Christian, because she knows that even if Hutch were to find out, she wouldn't really face any real/severe repercussions due to Hutch's cuckish attitude towards the whole dynamic going on between Vivian/Christian.

Now, (hypothetically speaking) imagine if Hutch was both a physically/emotionally abusive husband. Would Vivian feel more apprehensiveness if she were to blatantly cheat on Hutch behind his back? Chances are, quite likely because she is afraid of being reprimanded harshly if Hutch was to discover her infidelity.

However, since Hutch's personality is not at all in the manner described, she doesn't seem to have that fear of reprisal brewing in her. Hence, why she may feel sorry for outward appearances alone, deep down I feel that Vivian is not as regretful as she is made to appear in the game during certain scenes.

I agree his 22+years of love and marriage to a dominant woman is the problem. She is only dominate in her home and job, but met with another dominate force she becomes submissive with a false dominance. For me cuckish is the wrong word he is doing what a husband is supposed to do be loving and trusting. He just worked for someone that found his wifes desire, and weakness and is now exploiting it. Can only hope Hutchs balls drop.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Too bad we don't get to see who they were before they got married. Imagine Hutch with a Mullet and a Harley chilling in biker bars..

 

[tg]

Too bad we don't get to see who they were before they got married. Imagine Hutch with a Mullet and a Harley chilling in biker bars..

You bring up a good idea: maybe after this novel, there could then be a "beginnings", and then we see the slutty days of Vivian. I do think that would be interesting. Wild days where she gets it on here and there. Maybe she and Hatch really have been married for 22 years, but that doesn't mean there hasen't been times when they had a break from it. And, she walked out, and hopped on dick. I'd like to see it. Hutch has always been a loser for me though. That will never change. Vivian... I would like to see more of, younger, or older. I like her.

 

[Guszti242]

You wrote off the MC pretty quickly, you don't even know what the end of the game will be. Maybe at the end of the KN, you're just scratching your head as to what happened, maybe you're a loser, but maybe not.

 

[TonyMurray]

christian already knows that hutch knows the moment he was the dinning table chair was out of place and there show the camera behind him in the render.

When Christian is watching the camera footage of Hutch finding them fucking in the back yard, I keep picturing Hutch as Sully in Monster's Inc., when he thinks Boo is being compacted - fainting, then getting up, seeing it still happening, and fainting again:

well if your correct in your statement then vivian truly is the dumbest woman ever born into this earth. DROPS THE MIC.

Nothing mic drop in that comment. Again though, DarkArchon answers pretty much how I would have, so I'll save everyone my thoughts and thank DA for being around while I was getting my beauty sleep!

do you think vivian is smart enough to know the boss is humiliating her husband and enjoying every second of it by banging her with hutch right there in the same home? if your answer is yes then she is enjoying it also. she may deny in what she says but not by how she feels by allowing the boss to bang her all night long with hubby there knowing it will to destroy hutch.

Again, it's been answered already, but enjoying something that is humiliating someone is not the same as enjoying humiliating that person.

There hasn't been any evidence in the story so far - this sounds like rose-tinted glasses for characters otherwise having plot armor.

No evidence of anyone else, but we do see that Christian seems pretty good, in this instance at least, at judging Vivian's susceptibility. Asking (telling?) her for a kiss in the very first instance would give him a sign as to whether or not he can push this one, and the second kiss was an early sealing of the deal. I thought that was very well done actually, as a quick way to show this happening, avoiding the need to draw out the opening too much.

 

[TheDuke9999]

When Christian is watching the camera footage of Hutch finding them fucking in the back yard, I keep picturing Hutch as Sully in Monster's Inc., when he thinks Boo is being compacted - fainting, then getting up, seeing it still happening, and fainting again:
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Nothing mic drop in that comment. Again though, DarkArchon answers pretty much how I would have, so I'll save everyone my thoughts and thank DA for being around while I was getting my beauty sleep!

Again, it's been answered already, but enjoying something that is humiliating someone is not the same as enjoying humiliating that person.

No evidence of anyone else, but we do see that Christian seems pretty good, in this instance at least, at judging Vivian's susceptibility. Asking (telling?) her for a kiss in the very first instance would give him a sign as to whether or not he can push this one, and the second kiss was an early sealing of the deal. I thought that was very well done actually, as a quick way to show this happening, avoiding the need to draw out the opening too much.

All I know is Vivian is going to enjoy making hutchy McCucky feel pain in the next update.. get your popcorn ready girls.. this is going to be fun

 

[Luc77]

THE ATRIBUTES - (The anticipation of being caught, Cheating, Jealousy, Spying, Peeping, Lying, Late night texting, and phone call talking, Denying, Secrets Meetings, Teasing, Blackmail, Voyeurism, Regrets, Emotional pain, etc etc.) Most DEVELOPERS add all this attributes in their games as the main foundation of their game STORIES

BUT most most DEVELOPERS they extinguish or kill all the attributes very fast for the sake of SEX SCENES

How they do that I'll tell you.

What they do their story

You see, the main GOAL of any game when it comes to visual novels is the STORY.

So what most DEVELOPERS do...They rush with the story they skip and kill all the important attributes their game contains. Just to reach out and unfold the story fast so they can bring out and present the SEX SCENE.

And they present the SEX SCENE in such a way that actually kill many important attributes in just that one moment...And the more attributes is killed and extinguished on the way of SEX SCENES...The game slowly starts to fade and it becomes less and less interesting due to the lack of attributes that STORY used to have as a primary foundation content.

Let me give you an example:

If Voyeurism is added as one of the attribute in the game STORY. Voyeurism is mostly consider someone who secretly spying on others having sex... it's not entirely BUT mostly. So the Hutch-(Husband) He was actually engaging in Voyeurism activity (story attribute)...The moment you EXPOSE him to others that he is Voyeur who secretly watching someone have sex...in that moment you killed and extinguish the Voyeurism attribute in your game STORY...

The same with Jealousy attribute...IF you suddenly take away Jealousy from the Hutch-(Husband) again you killed and extinguish one more attribute that makes STORY interesting...SO the jealousy should always be kept in check...so that Hutch-(Husband) always stay jealous despite what happening to him or around him...

The same with Cheating...IF the Hutch-(Husband) allowed his Vivian(WIFE) to Cheat with his Christian(BOSS) Then it's NOT Cheating anymore and the YET again you killed and extinguish one more important attribute in your game STORY...

NOW you getting the picture what I'm trying to tell you

The attributes you add to your game are what define the main foundations of the STORY. And if those attributes are Killed or extinguish on the way of rushing for the sake of SEX SCENES...

Then very soon after all your attributes are killed...the STORY itself will fade and be less and less interesting...and due to that many players will lose interest in your game and they will look for another NEW game who will give them all those attributes that will keep their interest when they first start playing the NEW visual novel.

My opinions and thoughts:

DON'T make and don't turn Hutch-(Husband) so fast into open and public Cuckold. That everyone will know about it...Especially his Wife or his Boss.

EVEN if he becomes Cuckold, keep him in the dark in a sense his wife should never know that he is into that HE should always keep that secret and always be Jealous of what his wife is doing with his Boss and HE should always be aware of what his wife is doing BUT he should NEVER tell her that he knows of her SEXUAL encounters with his BOSS or other characters in the future.

Keep the Vivian(WIFE) always denying and Lying to Hutch-(Husband) of what's happening with his Boss and all SEXUAL activities in the future with other characters...So that plot lines can always be presents and the STORY attributes never killed

Because the moment all the plotlines is exposed and every secret is out and all doors are open...then that's it...its over. The moment the STORY is faded due to the lack of killed attributes...Then the CHARACTERS and the SEX SCENES means NOTHING. And due to that most players will leave the game and go look for something NEW to play. What do you think WHY? not all BUT most the DEVELOPERS abandoned their project games...They lack interest from players...They kill the STORY fast because they think the SEX SCENES and Animations are more important.

I wrote this much because I like your game and the character models...You are on your way to make something really GREAT...Just try not to kill the STORY and its attributes fast. Can't wait for the next update to see where the story goes...

SC Story has already invented and told the story - it just needs to transform it into images, and probably make a few smaller decisions. We can already see that he has great control over "storytelling" I even assume that he is professionally related to TV/gaming-dev/writing.

I'll be honest - I want to watch HIS(HER?) story,
no advice like - "you know, I think you should do this and that"
even if I don't like it (not my way)

the example of MHB clearly shows that a kinetic novel (especially episodic - back to the roots) generates a completely different level of reader's involvement than a book, comics, a film or even a game - completely special - I can't even describe it. I'm completely surprised by this