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I look at it like this.. this VN is going to get darker and nasty.. Vivian is going to cuck without regard to hutchy feelings.. if dev just does the same thing where she sneaks off to bang and he watches crying. Then she cries, everyone cries.. it will like rinse, wash, repeat.. for this VN to grow it has to get really nasty.. hutchy going to feel all the pain the boss can possibly give.. oh and Vivian booty hole getting popped.. bet on that.. it won't be hutchy doing it either
 

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I look at it like this.. this VN is going to get darker and nasty.. Vivian is going to cuck without regard to hutchy feelings.. if dev just does the same thing where she sneaks off to bang and he watches crying. Then she cries, everyone cries.. it will like rinse, wash, repeat.. for this VN to grow it has to get really nasty.. hutchy going to feel all the pain the boss can possibly give.. oh and Vivian booty hole getting popped.. bet on that.. it won't be hutchy doing it either
listen/google the lyrics for this song
The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU
think that's what sums up you thoughts. and to make things clear not saying you support hutch.... just the song lyrics very much align with your theory(and some others as well),
 
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i dont think anyone is truly capable of understanding women completely.
Man, as corny and trite as this is, it is also my feeling again and again after playing these games.
Are men making these games (apart from the visual aspect of course) in order to design female characters they think they can finally understand and mold according to their wishes or does in the contrary the best erotic impact go hand in hand with this feeling of not understanding, of almost alienation? Aren't the best scenes those (like in this game) where one asks how can she do this?
I sometimes wish the female members of the forum (because you mention the ratio here) would grant us more explanations and insights in how they explicitly differ from the male perspective. I often feel I have to extract this aspect from the grinding and latent conflicts - but that can also be fun. Then again - maybe there is nothing surprising or new or intriguing there which I didn't know all to well already.
 
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Man, as corny and trite as this is, it is also my feeling again and again after playing these games.
Are men making these games (apart from the visual aspect of course) in order to design female characters they think they can finally understand and mold according to their wishes or does in the contrary the best erotic impact go hand in hand with this feeling of not understanding, of almost alienation? Aren't the best scenes those (like in this game) where one asks how can she do this?
I sometimes wish the female members of the forum (because you mention the ratio here) would grant us more explanations and insights in how they explicitly differ from the male perspective. I often feel I have to extract this aspect from the grinding and latent conflicts - but that can also be fun. Then again - maybe there is nothing surprising or new or intriguing there which I didn't know all to well already.
i feel like 9 out of 10 men in this forum when they see there wife bent over the table outside would have done something, they would have left an packed there bags going to a hotel waiting for divorce, flipped out on boss an viv, beat up boss.. something.. so when hutchy just watched going thru mental anguish thats when the VN went to "fantasyland" .. not real , make believe, and at that rate now anything in this VN is really just wild imagination of the dev and hutchy getting destroyed for are entertainment an debate as to why , how , what .. i love this VN because it is the first VN to start at the scene of the crime.. all the others make you wait ten years to build up to it.. this VN is taking the backward approach which quite unique and refreshing .. i love it.
 

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Aren't the best scenes those (like in this game) where one asks how can she do this?
I often feel I have to extract this aspect from the grinding and latent conflicts
my way of resolving this conundrum is simply to take real life examples in such complex situations where the story is almost believable. and in doing so sometimes the liberties taken by the dev clash with the logic of real-life and the ensuing debates of possibilities only limited by one's imagination(and that we have in abundance here)

I sometimes wish the female members of the forum (because you mention the ratio here) would grant us more explanations and insights in how they explicitly differ from the male perspective.
a few pages back i posted a similar statement and all who answered were men(even if most of them had female pics in their profile pic >> like me). so i just follow that assumption in regards to that response.

i feel like 9 out of 10 men in this forum when they see there wife bent over the table outside would have done something, they would have left an packed there bags going to a hotel waiting for divorce, flipped out on boss an viv, beat up boss.. something.. so when hutchy just watched going thru mental anguish thats when the VN went to "fantasyland" .. not real , make believe, and at that rate now anything in this VN is really just wild imagination of the dev and hutchy getting destroyed for are entertainment an debate as to why , how , what .. i love this VN because it is the first VN to start at the scene of the crime.. all the others make you wait ten years to build up to it.. this VN is taking the backward approach which quite unique and refreshing .. i love it.
i'm surprised duke... no mention on hutchy cucky at all..:eek:, i would be agreeing with you on that about 9/10 men statement ... but after reading adhd classic's posts im not sure... if its related to the genx and millenial age group then would completely agree.... not so sure about the rest....like gen z,alpha and beta(just googled them don't quote me on this}. dunno if many remember the one and only choice you are given in this kn... the option to change names and the way its introduced that really annoyed me and then when i started reading the moment vivian googled and came up with a plan thats my view of when fantasyland started in this vn. it definitely has a different take. dunno if ill be blocked or banned for this but navigating the rift was another good vn/kn which i think is abandoned with its own unique aspect... there are more but most are either abandoned or removed from this site. i assume you are taking shot at awam with the 10 year remark. won't comment regarding the vn other than its good so far.... as i have said in a previous post some start out strong and just lose out as they progress. i just want this to be completed and then i would make a review. till then fingers crossed this kn will deliver the goods.
 
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one more thing, what i notice not to many people talk about is how vivian comes out of bedroom wearing his clothes ,no bra , no panties lol, like hutchy wouldnt see that or notice but deny everything... then proceeds to keep his clothes hidden next to her the drawer and smells the shirt reminding her of the boss by smelling the boss's scent from that night and repeatedly looks at shirt in drawer through the VN .. clearly showing she is falling hard for the boss
 
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a few pages back i posted a similar statement and all who answered were men(even if most of them had female pics in their profile pic >> like me). so i just follow that assumption in regards to that response.
Problem is, men a far more prepared to and interested in asking these questions, in thinking in the framework of gender differences. Women normally hate that, that's at least my well founded experience. They like to hink in terms of being "human" and being a "good human being". So male questions in this direction typically end in a conversation solely among men. That's what I meant with "having to extract" them from conflicts in this forum, they remain always implicit from the female side, seldom explicit.
 
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that's what came to my mind :) (guess what movie)

woman in black jacket:
In the fifth day, your ass goes to all

Vivian nods his head: "yes."

woman in black jacket:
Say it!

Vivan:
In the fifth day, my ass goes to all
 
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that's what came to my mind :)

woman in black jacket:
In the fifth day, your ass goes to all

Vivian nods his head: "yes."

woman in black jacket:
Say it!

Vivan:
In the fifth day, my ass goes to all
and there is the slut friend that re-assures vivian she is doing the right thing and to keep banging the boss and its okay to love one man for that big D and also love the hubby for well nothing anymore lol..
 

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how vivian comes out of bedroom wearing his clothes ,no bra , no panties lol, like hutchy wouldnt see that or notice but deny everything... then proceeds to keep his clothes hidden next to her the drawer and smells the shirt reminding her of the boss by smelling the boss's scent from that night and repeatedly looks at shirt in drawer through the VN
i think someone mentioned this (or i have it in one of points on porngame logic) vivian coming out of the bedroom and hutch not questioning in... think i posted this in the first week i think and regards to her weeping in the shower about her actions and to what she did after.... smelling the shirt and keeping it in the bedside drawer as a momento(which signals thats vivian is tempted to continue her fun with the boss). like i mentioned in my earlier quote to your statement... from the start that dev wanted to make it so that the readers dislike vivian. that's how i see it.
Their noses are something else.
true that. only a sniffer dog could beat them... just barely.
 
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Problem is, men a far more prepared to and interested in asking these questions, in thinking in the framework of gender differences. Women normally hate that, that's at least my well founded experience. They like to hink in terms of being "human" and being a "good human being". So male questions in this direction typically end in a conversation solely among men. That's what I meant with "having to extract" them from conflicts in this forum, they remain always implicit from the female side, seldom explicit.
interesting thought.... in my experience it wasn't the case but i know it's different based on the individual. (y)
 

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the vivian becoming a complete slut here is my thoughts. the general premise for any ntr story... the end result is wife changes her love from her husband to the person corrupting her. in this case from hutch to chrisitan .... which starts as sex which leads to desire and then in the end becomes love.
I hope it does not go down the usual NTR tropes. So much I want this to be an original tale with new ideas, not not make the cheating so un-redeemable that nobody cares what she does any more (not even Hutch). Too much "out there" sex scenes could spoil the broth.

i feel like 9 out of 10 men in this forum when they see there wife bent over the table outside would have done something, they would have left an packed there bags going to a hotel waiting for divorce, flipped out on boss an viv, beat up boss..
My go to would probably have been: There are 3 people involved here... one of us is going to end up in a ICU, one in the morgue, the other other in prison. And I'm not a violet man in the slightest. The only question is who is ending up where, I'd be fine with any.
 

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I hope it does not go down the usual NTR tropes. So much I want this to be an original tale with new ideas, not not make the cheating so un-redeemable that nobody cares what she does any more (not even Hutch). Too much "out there" sex scenes could spoil the broth.



My go to would probably have been: There are 3 people involved here... one of us is going to end up in a ICU, one in the morgue, the other other in prison. And I'm not a violet man in the slightest. The only question is who is ending up where, I'd be fine with any.
thats why i said anything after that is just the dev's wild imagination and great fictional story telling
 

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And I'm not a violet man in the slightest. The only question is who is ending up where, I'd be fine with any.
my only question to this is are you protector and provider. if yes to even one then you be the person in prison. even the most timid man has a limit. and i have seen that in real life. so being fine with any is never a good option.

regard my quote.. i want a redemption arc for the couple but... I'm in the minority... too many bad theories from creative minds. and as usual can't stand against the tide for long eventually you will follow it.
ps: not saying i'll give up on the redemption arc... it's all in dev's conclusion to this story.
 
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my only question to this is are you protector and provider. if yes to even one then you be the person in prison. even the most timid man has a limit. and i have seen that in real life. so being fine with any is never a good option.

regard my quote.. i want a redemption arc for the couple but... I'm in the minority... too many bad theories from creative minds. and as usual can't stand against the tide for long eventually you will follow it.
honestly the only way to have a redemption arc to the story where they stay together is for hutchy to become a full blown cuck that enjoys watching his wife get banged.. whether hutch is depressed, weak, strong, smart he is only going to stay for so long before he leaves and divorces unless they become swingers or he is a cuck..
 
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I hope it does not go down the usual NTR tropes. So much I want this to be an original tale with new ideas, not not make the cheating so un-redeemable that nobody cares what she does any more (not even Hutch). Too much "out there" sex scenes could spoil the broth.
I am hoping for much the same as you. I feel that corrupting Vivian to the point of her not having any inner struggle about it, to where her focus becomes entirely hedonistic and her legs will open for just about anyone, would cheapen the foundation of the story as it currently stands.
 
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