Hattyrulz

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Absolutely not. Why should I let someone indoctrinate me? I think you've got the wrong idea. Either I didn't explain myself well
i meant indoctrination as a joke,if you have read the post in this thread. I'm sorry if you are offended. there is a post about what you wrote about ntr and humiliation. it's a chore to go through all those posts but i'm pretty sure we covered almost all in this thread topics/fetishes pertaining to this kn.
 

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And this, I think, makes the difference for the experience of the husband.
Thanks for explaining where you come from!
Do you think that in all that time I was ever sure of getting what I wanted? She changed her mind a thousand times. No, I'm coming with you, no I'm staying with him, no I'm coming with you, no I'm staying with him. It's this conflict that's missing in the NTR stories and that seems to be present here. And I hope it continues to be there until the end.
 

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please don't give us(me) hope for a redemption arc for the couple.....:cry:. are these pics all from the next update?. vivian model(don't want this model named so but for now not other option) is the complete package....that model looks good in everything(all expressions). you said these are not sneak peeks but the 2,3and5th pics already have related sneak peaks posted already (are you rendering those pics just to post for us? if yes... then ty). i get the feeling that those happy pics of vivian(excluding the first one) are after she has spent time with christian or something related to christian... anyone else have similar thoughts on this.

not quite like that,
pics 1 is complety new (new blouse)
pic 2 is probably (at this time) last in purple timeline - probably driver says somethin funy as a farewell
pic 3&4 - complety new, new outfit and probably from the same scene
and pic 5 - scena from pub, probably the beginning of the meeting "ooo what a meeting, nice to see you" :)
 
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not quite like that,
pics 1 is complety new (new blouse)
pic 2 is probably (at this time) last in purple timeline - probably driver says somethin funy as a farewell
pic 3&4 - complety new, new outfit and probably from the same scene
and pic 5 - scena from pub, probably the beginning of the meeting "ooo what a meeting, nice to see you" :)
2 3 4 are all together if you notice the bed hair that vivian has(but there is no nail polish on 3 & 4). 3 and 4 are the same top the vivian has on the 5th day of update 1(when vivian is calling sawyer) just a different scene. i just didn't go into detail about how the pics are linked or the possible theories related to them.
 

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2 3 4 are all together if you notice the bed hair that vivian has(but there is no nail polish on 3 & 4). 3 and 4 are the same top the vivian has on the 5th day of update 1(when vivian is calling sawyer) just a different scene. i just didn't go into detail about how the pics are linked or the possible theories related to them.
i think .... you look but you don't see ;)
in day 5 (call Sawyer) she has sexi top tied at the neck), and violet nails.
in pic 4 (and prob.3 ) she has transpretn nail polish and a gray tank top
 

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i think .... you look but you don't see ;)
in day 5 (call Sawyer) she has sexi top tied at the neck), and violet nails.
in pic 4 (and prob.3 ) she has transpretn nail polish and a gray tank top
was talking about the top she was wearing in the the pics ... not a new outfit for vivian in 3 and 4. yes didn't i mention about the nail polish. well can't wait for update 2....
ps: yes you are right... just did a check... the straps have the same design but dimension are off. and not tied .
 
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in day 5 (call Sawyer) she has gray top tied at the neck
in pic 3&4 is new grey top - classic, not tied at the neck
:)
 

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THe fact is...she is smiling. Now... who is she talking to on the phone ! I think it is Hutch. She does not smile like that for Christian. I think her and Hutch have an understanding and the pressure is off. Maybe he has even open up to her a bit and she is Happy about it.
 
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THe fact is...she is smiling. Now... who is she talking to on the phone ! I think it is Hutch. She does not smile like that for Christian. I think her and Hutch have an understanding and the pressure is off. Maybe he has even open up to her a bit and she is Happy about it.
the dev wrote that these are just renders of her smiling... might not be in the kn. but 4 of the 5 renders have similar or related renders from sneak peaks .... i think it was just a modified render .... dev is fanning the flames for those hoping for a redemption arc for the couple with vivian's smiling face.
 

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THe fact is...she is smiling. Now... who is she talking to on the phone ! I think it is Hutch. She does not smile like that for Christian. I think her and Hutch have an understanding and the pressure is off. Maybe he has even open up to her a bit and she is Happy about it.
look on table - book (I wonder what Hutch is reading ;) ) but there is something lying on the book, IMO it's a watch, and Hutch is in the bathroom (99% its watch, on the first night we see Hutch put it on the book)

calls Chris or family
 
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maybe im crazy here but and im just spitballing here but hutch sitting outside the door while she is loudly moaning, screaming, enjoying, gagging, orgasming, letting boss fill her up(not knowing until bathroom scene he cant have kids) as hutch listens isnt humiliating . im not saying she did it intentionally but she knew hutch could possibly hear and it didnt stop her and boss loudly having sex with hutch there . humiliation is part of what this VN is all about in my opinion.
 

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I've become aware that Vivian is always sad or angry. While the negative emotions are at the core of this story, I'm going to try and purposely let her smile where I can because I think she really is beautiful when she does.

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But are they!! the people need to know :)

I dont think any of the phone calls are to Hutch, if she is smiling, but who knows.
 

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maybe im crazy here but and im just spitballing here but hutch sitting outside the door while she is loudly moaning, screaming, enjoying, gagging, orgasming, letting boss fill her up(not knowing until bathroom scene he cant have kids) as hutch listens isnt humiliating . im not saying she did it intentionally but she knew hutch could possibly hear and it didnt stop her and boss loudly having sex with hutch there . humiliation is part of what this VN is all about in my opinion.
humiliation is only present if you want to humiliate someone. intentionally. you can also humiliate someone without even meaning to. That's what I'd like from Vivian and from this story. Have you read what I wrote? Do you think I post it in all the threads?
 
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But are they!! the people need to know :)

I dont think any of the phone calls are to Hutch, if she is smiling, but who knows.
i think it is good to show she is smiling and yes she is hot.. but it needs to be shown that she is not feeling bad about cucking hutch anymore is purely enjoying and falling in love with the boss. and everyone else lol.
 
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humiliation is only present if you want to humiliate someone. intentionally. you can also humiliate someone without even meaning to. That's what I'd like from Vivian and from this story
humiliation is humiliation whether intentional or not . one does not differ from the other. she knew he was THERE , she did it repeatedly and loudly and she didnt stop at any point. even to the point she was wearing the boss's clothes with no bra or panties when they left.. she did everything but scream in hutchy's face .I CHEATED ON YOU AND I LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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humiliation is humiliation whether intentional or not . one does not differ from the other. she knew he was THERE , she did it repeatedly and loudly and she didnt stop at any point. even to the point she was wearing the boss's clothes with no bra or panties when they left.. she did everything but scream in hutchy's face .I CHEATED ON YOU AND I LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh no, there are also feelings and inner thoughts. It's not all that trivial.
 
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look on table - book (I wonder what Hutch is reading ;) ) but there is something lying on the book, IMO it's a watch, and Hutch is in the bathroom (99% its watch, on the first night we see Hutch put it on the book)

calls Chris or family
Don't worry, it's the divorce certificate and the final will. The decision has not yet been made. And I hear she's calling the pastor for a confession. ;)
 
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Oh no, there are also feelings and inner thoughts. It's not all that trivial.
what do you imagine were vivians inner thoughts when she was in the bedroom all night with the boss and hutchy was on the couch? what were her inner thoughts in your opinion?
 

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look on table - book (I wonder what Hutch is reading ;) ) but there is something lying on the book, IMO it's a watch, and Hutch is in the bathroom (99% its watch, on the first night we see Hutch put it on the book)

calls Chris or family
what book and table ??? which scene ?
maybe im crazy here but and im just spitballing here but hutch sitting outside the door while she is loudly moaning, screaming, enjoying, gagging, orgasming, letting boss fill her up(not knowing until bathroom scene he cant have kids) as hutch listens isnt humiliating . im not saying she did it intentionally but she knew hutch could possibly hear and it didnt stop her and boss loudly having sex with hutch there . humiliation is part of what this VN is all about in my opinion.
I really don't think she even thought sbout that. Christian even mentioned later to here he probably knew ( Hutch ) what was going on... said you were not that quiet as you think....
 
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