Hattyrulz

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One reason why I came up with this is because I think SC Stories could be planning on surprising us by flipping things on their head. I am in no way saying this definitely what is going on, but sometimes good writers trick the audience by leading them down one path only to flip things on them later.
yeah i see that, as i wrote in my post about SC Stories leaving hints about possible events and your approach(theory) takes the whole scenario and flips it which has been done in novels but i hope it's not such a big twist in the story as it really spoils the ending(for me) that the dev said he has planned for us. i can accepts ocean's eleven or lucky number slevin level of twist ... but i didn't feel the characters turmoil in those movies(they were fun to watch), here SC Stories made me invested in the characters endings which will spoil the buildup. even it's just 20% of the game.
PS: been a while since i read the kn but yeah you are right about hutch telling christian about being married.
 

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Those pictures reminded me.....
What the hell is Christian thinking with that guy-liner around his eyes?
Seriously, any women here? Can we get a woman's opinion, is that attractive?
I would think most middle aged women would see that and probably laugh internally.
But then again, I still don't know how women think.
 

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One reason why I came up with this is because I think SC Stories could be planning on surprising us by flipping things on their head.
Hopefully, I know this game is well above some of the badly written nonsense I have seen on this site, its refreshing to see a story that captures your attention. If SC Stories can keep producing games like this one he should really consider setting up some way for us to support him, very interested to see what he can do in some other genre.
 

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Those pictures reminded me.....
What the hell is Christian thinking with that guy-liner around his eyes?
Seriously, any women here? Can we get a woman's opinion, is that attractive?
I would think most middle aged women would see that and probably laugh internally.
But then again, I still don't know how women think.
Just another reason to want to punch his face in, more so when he gets that smug look on his face when he gets what he wants.
 

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A lot of talk about... well, everything, but one thing that specifically comes up a lot is the dev's comments about the backyard scene. So let's revisit them in the dev's own words:

The ending was the 2nd thing to get outlined. The 1st? It was the backyard scene. As controversial as the whole backyard/bedroom part seems to be, it was/is the foundation I build this world on. I wanted the viewer to live those moments through Hutch, though, hence the teasing.
None of this indicates that we will see the other side of the scene, and find out what was said and done to lead to the fucking (I can't recall the dev saying elsewhere that we will see that, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong there, and I'll be happy to see it).

Also, none of this actually relates to what was said and what the reasoning was, either. It just says that the scene was the foundation he built the world on, and he wanted the viewer to live those moments through Hutch. My take on this is that us seeing this all through Hutch's eyes is what builds the type of story we're getting here, with the shock of it, and trying to work out the motivations etc. behind it all. If we'd seen it from Vivian's POV, all of that would be missing, and it would therefore be a quite different story (or at least a quite different feel to the story).

So the "foundation" being discussed here isn't necessarily the ABC of why the accounts were lost, what secrets Christian has somehow uncovered to give him leverage, what Vivian has done in the past to make her susceptible to what happened... it could simply be that it happened, and the story is built on the fact that it happened, not why it happened.

Ultimately, everything we get after that scene/those scenes is the fallout from them, with Hutch knowing, Vivian not initially being aware that he knows (somehow), Christian realising it and playing them both. So the scene just being there is the foundation of the story, regardless of why it happened.
 

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A lot of talk about... well, everything, but one thing that specifically comes up a lot is the dev's comments about the backyard scene. So let's revisit them in the dev's own words:



None of this indicates that we will see the other side of the scene, and find out what was said and done to lead to the fucking (I can't recall the dev saying elsewhere that we will see that, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong there, and I'll be happy to see it).

Also, none of this actually relates to what was said and what the reasoning was, either. It just says that the scene was the foundation he built the world on, and he wanted the viewer to live those moments through Hutch. My take on this is that us seeing this all through Hutch's eyes is what builds the type of story we're getting here, with the shock of it, and trying to work out the motivations etc. behind it all. If we'd seen it from Vivian's POV, all of that would be missing, and it would therefore be a quite different story (or at least a quite different feel to the story).

So the "foundation" being discussed here isn't necessarily the ABC of why the accounts were lost, what secrets Christian has somehow uncovered to give him leverage, what Vivian has done in the past to make her susceptible to what happened... it could simply be that it happened, and the story is built on the fact that it happened, not why it happened.

Ultimately, everything we get after that scene/those scenes is the fallout from them, with Hutch knowing, Vivian not initially being aware that he knows (somehow), Christian realising it and playing them both. So the scene just being there is the foundation of the story, regardless of why it happened.
only one view that i want to add to your quote... the backyard scene being the 1st and the end being the 2nd event set in stone... this being a linear kinetic novel there will be a single thread that connects the start to end of the story. i assume everyone is following me here since im trying to be as simple as possible in my explanation. this single thread connecting the 2 events will have to be fleshed out in some manner or the other. be it character progression or more debauchery or both. whichever it may be the theories and reasons (can be said as foundations as well) posted in here are just the hypothetical meat of the story. it's like a jigsaw puzzle with the border done where the borders are the backyard and the ending being completed. the theories whether reasonable or not are just readers relating to how they think the story will connect the 2 events. the events that lead to and after those 2 events are just adding more cause for those events to take place. they just add more meaning and in doing so become valid to the story. that's my view.
Those pictures reminded me.....
What the hell is Christian thinking with that guy-liner around his eyes?
Seriously, any women here? Can we get a woman's opinion, is that attractive?
I would think most middle aged women would see that and probably laugh internally.
But then again, I still don't know how women think.
lol finally someone noticed and asked. still makes me laugh everytime i see it. he's got more eyeliner than vivan in that image.
 
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only one view that i want to add to your quote... the backyard scene being the 1st and the end being the 2nd event set in stone... this being a linear kinetic novel there will be a single thread that connects the start to end of the story. i assume everyone is following me here since im trying to be as simple as possible in my explanation. this single thread connecting the 2 events will have to be fleshed out in some manner or the other. be it character progression or more debauchery or both. whichever it may be the theories and reasons (can be said as foundations as well) posted in here are just the hypothetical meat of the story. it's like a jigsaw puzzle with the border done where the borders are the backyard and the ending being completed. the theories whether reasonable or not are just readers relating to how they think the story will connect the 2 events. the events that lead to and after those 2 events are just adding more cause for those events to take place. they just add more meaning and in doing so become valid to the story. that's my view.

lol finally someone noticed and asked. still makes me laugh everytime i see it. he's got more eyeliner than vivan in that image.
Nevertheless, this founding scene of the backyard cannot be left unexplained.
With the elements in our possession, this scene seemed surreal to many people here ( 15mn to fuck vivian ). I think there will be at least a pseudo-explanation or at best the basis for a second reading of the story (the idea of embezzlement for example).
This would give even more depth to the story and avoid gradually falling into a classic bad porn game.
 

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Dealbreaker, you said your outrage is on a more existential than moral level. Could you elaborate on that? Sounds interesting, but I am not quite clear on what you mean.
I'll answer by putting the problem this way: Why moral indignation (though justified) is not the right way to deal with this.

1. It leaves the husband deserted, defenseless: Part of Hutch's shock is probably that he thought he could rely on a set of moral values and "no go"s which had the power to lead and restrain his wife in such a situation, to hold a grip over her even if the great romantic feeling after 20 years wasn't enough to do that anymore. And he saw that he couldn't. But there is an even more important point he has to confront here: there is no such vital and authoritative and self-evident moral framework which he could appeal to. For decades we live in a moral paradigm which almost solely relies on the principles of consent and no-harm, which protects individual rights and bodies, but not commitments, loaylties and bonds (and here porn, far from being a morally exemptive zone is on the contrary even more diligently and carefully following this modern moral imperative than the rest of society). The old moral regime which would have translated his hurt into clear-cut moral accusations against the wife (adultery, indecency, recklessness, prostitution, indignity etc) has become outdated ridiculous and impotent. We even have discussions here if we are allowed to call her a "hoe" with a judgmental undertone (while we are invited to call her a slut happily to add to the fun while gangbanging her anytime of course). Conclusion: it is another quality of the game, that it demonstrates in all necessary clarity how out in the open, helpless Hutch with regard to the current moral discourse really is here in such a situation. He has nowhere to go ideologically-ideally. He has lost the marital bed and doesn't even get to hold at least the moral high ground in return. He has to restrain his anger towards the wife if he does not want to make himself open to moral attack. And that is exactly what we see in the discussion with his wife later: no moral arguments and accusations really, just this helpless pseudo-therapeutic talk to manage the situation, supposedly together. No apology, no confrontation, no reckoning (and this is the same in other games). On the other hand the only time old-style moral agtuments are made here characteristically is when the boss manipulates Hutch in accepting the situation - here we hear concepts like "sacrifice" and manliness. They are usable only as a weapon against Hutch, not to his defense. So he can only lose and run into discursive traps if he would try to deal with the whole situation in moral terms, that's at least how I see it.

2. It falls short of grasping the real problem: This has the advantage of laying open what the real prolbem is. My anger didn't stay long with the wife but was busy with the question how Hutch ended up in such a pitiful situation. What did him make the loser he is in this situation? This was not due to the moral failure of his wife but the other way around. One could say she makes the right assumption and goes with the more powerful guy. Disappointing, yes, ,but behaviourally understandable (therefore I always stress the vibe of inscurity and panic she gives off the whole time). The existential anger starts with the realization that Hutch has been fooled to think like he does and trained to behave like he does, trained to be weak. He thought his dependence on the boss, his happy adjustment to the requirements of the coporate world wouldn't have any repercussions on how his wife perceives him, how she feels about him. On the contrary, he, trained to think in reward-for-compliance patterns thought she would reward him for a "stability" which could break down any time because it wasn't really his. He was fooled into believing that his impotence would be graciously overlooked by his wife and not turned against him the very first time she sees a functioning cock. It's this way of living itself which lured him in ignoring the realities underlying lofty moral concepts. But the post already is too long.
 
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i get the 1st point .... dunno about the 2nd view you put forth DB. are you saying its hutch fooling himself into a false sense of security about his life and marriage? philosophy isn't my strong suit(since you mentioned existential crisis), i mean there have been lots of checks and balance in the way the couple converse in regards to vivian going with the stronger guy statement... as shown in the narrative ... i dont get why it has to be entirely hutch's or vivian's fault. these are all assumptions regarding hutch and vivian's behaviour i assume, since we will be getting some insight into what and why this has happened in regards to vivians way of dealing with this situation.
 

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None of this indicates that we will see the other side of the scene, and find out what was said and done to lead to the fucking (I can't recall the dev saying elsewhere that we will see that, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong there, and I'll be happy to see it).
Dessert comes...he said!



Possible scenes:
  • The video feed (with sounds) from dinner night gets leaked; may be more cameras in Christian's house and in his office
  • After a while Christian denies to have sex with Vivian - Vivian not having sex for a while is taking a bath daydreaming about the dinner night and pleasures herself
  • Christian who hasn't heard from Vivian in a while recognizes that he fall in love with her and is watching the video feeds from the dinner night together with his own flashbacks
    Vivian on the other side is now the one who chases the young and wild...
  • Hutch surfing the internet gets an e-mail with attachment. The attachment a video feed with sound of the dinner night at Christian's house in full lenght and all cams included...
    May be he gets aroused by watching it and ends up as the cucky he never aimed to be.
    May be it is the ultimate trigger Hutch needed to get out of his shell!
  • Sawyer surfing on his Dad's laptop finds the video feeds someone mailed Hutch before...
 
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are you saying its hutch fooling himself into a false sense of security about his life and marriage? philosophy isn't my strong suit(since you mentioned existential crisis), i mean there have been lots of checks and balance in the way the couple converse in regards to vivian going with the stronger guy
No, I say his weakness is a product, not an inborn accidental character trait. So it is not an existential crisis but a way of life of many decades, which led to this.
And going with the stronger guy - she did it alrready. And there are no "checks and balances" for that, nor can there ever be (as they depend on promises and keeping promises)
But false sense of security - yes, I would say so. Not a bad way of putting it!
 
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hmmm
is an explanation necessary? I surrender to the story SC Stories. D.Lynch's films are great, among other things, because he doesn't explain everything we see
I don't need to know the reasons why she let herself get fucked. She did. It happened.
Doesn't matter if necessary or not!
DEV said dessert will be served that's all we need to know.
The only question is how it will be served and how tasty it will be :sneaky:
 
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Christian verified that Hutch saw them by the tape on his computer from the dining area. I would not think that that his only camera is in the dining room. As much of an ego that this man has he probably tape all events in his Bedroom. Maybe on outside. That said the DEV mentioned we would know later what went on in the BR. I do not know how he will bring that back into the story... Not sure if that is what he is referring to a desert.
 
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Seriously, someone come up with an embezzlement, don't make fun of yourselves. If this were to happen seriously, don't you think MC would be tougher or (Hutch)? And that's why you blame him, you guys couldn't be such big jerks. A person like Hutch doesn't have the guts to do this because it's all about family, I would have beaten the shit out of Christian, I would have kicked the door on the bastard.
 
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I am not buying in on the embezzlement. So far We do not see that hutch manages money for his accounts. yes, he is a bookkeeper...but he would have to have access to accounts to shuffle of monies ... That and so far he has not shown us a dishonest side. It is more likely that the Boss tapped someone's wife in the customers office and they terminated the contract . He just wants a fall guy to save face.
 

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For now, we know that Hutch doesn't want to know the details , he shouldn't look for these recordings himself (about first-time-in-garden).
So either he stumbles upon them by accident or "accidentally"
 

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I'll answer by putting the problem this way: Why moral indignation (though justified) is not the right way to deal with this.

1. It leaves the husband deserted, defenseless: Part of Hutch's shock is probably that he thought he could rely on a set of moral values and "no go"s which had the power to lead and restrain his wife in such a situation, to hold a grip over her even if the great romantic feeling after 20 years wasn't enough to do that anymore. And he saw that he couldn't. But there is an even more important point he has to confront here: there is no such vital and authoritative and self-evident moral framework which he could appeal to. For decades we live in a moral paradigm which almost solely relies on the principles of consent and no-harm, which protects individual rights and bodies, but not commitments, loaylties and bonds (and here porn, far from being a morally exemptive zone is on the contrary even more diligently and carefully following this modern moral imperative than the rest of society). The old moral regime which would have translated his hurt into clear-cut moral accusations against the wife (adultery, indecency, recklessness, prostitution, indignity etc) has become outdated ridiculous and impotent. We even have discussions here if we are allowed to call her a "hoe" with a judgmental undertone (while we are invited to call her a slut happily to add to the fun while gangbanging her anytime of course). Conclusion: it is another quality of the game, that it demonstrates in all necessary clarity how out in the open, helpless Hutch with regard to the current moral discourse really is here in such a situation. He has nowhere to go ideologically-ideally. He has lost the marital bed and doesn't even get to hold at least the moral high ground in return. He has to restrain his anger towards the wife if he does not want to make himself open to moral attack. And that is exactly what we see in the discussion with his wife later: no moral arguments and accusations really, just this helpless pseudo-therapeutic talk to manage the situation, supposedly together. No apology, no confrontation, no reckoning (and this is the same in other games). On the other hand the only time old-style moral agtuments are made here characteristically is when the boss manipulates Hutch in accepting the situation - here we hear concepts like "sacrifice" and manliness. They are usable only as a weapon against Hutch, not to his defense. So he can only lose and run into discursive traps if he would try to deal with the whole situation in moral terms, that's at least how I see it.

2. It falls short of grasping the real problem: This has the advantage of laying open what the real prolbem is. My anger didn't stay long with the wife but was busy with the question how Hutch ended up in such a pitiful situation. What did him make the loser he is in this situation? This was not due to the moral failure of his wife but the other way around. One could say she makes the right assumption and goes with the more powerful guy. Disappointing, yes, ,but behaviourally understandable (therefore I always stress the vibe of inscurity and panic she gives off the whole time). The existential anger starts with the realization that Hutch has been fooled to think like he does and trained to behave like he does, trained to be weak. He thought his dependence on the boss, his happy adjustment to the requirements of the coporate world wouldn't have any repercussions on how his wife perceives him, how she feels about him. On the contrary, he, trained to think in reward-for-compliance patterns thought she would reward him for a "stability" which could break down any time because it wasn't really his. He was fooled into believing that his impotence would be graciously overlooked by his wife and not turned against him the very first time she sees a functioning cock. It's this way of living itself which lured him in ignoring the realities underlying lofty moral concepts. But the post already is too long.
These are really strongly elaborated detailed thoughts you have shared. I would have liked to read more. Thx
 
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