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We have argued about who is to blame for the situation, but according to the intro it is mostly Vivian.
According to release 0.2 it's Huutch.
It all started with Huutch losing the 2 clients and when questioned by Christian on his own desk, Huutch facepalmed himself as he remembered that he had obviously forgotten to reach out to the two customers.
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His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.

May be I will change my mind to whom the blame is assigned in the next release depending on the input we might get.
 

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According to release 0.2 it's Huutch.
It all started with Huutch losing the 2 clients and when questioned by Christian on his own desk, Huutch facepalmed himself as he remembered that he had obviously forgotten to reach out to the two customers.
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His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.

May be I will change my mind to whom the blame is assigned in the next release depending on the input we might get.
I was going by the overview, but that could be an example of the author switching things back and forth. I am thinking there might be some twists and turns in the story. The author could do things to flip things back and forth on who he wants the audience to blame more. That would be an example of good writing if done well.
 

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what everyone fails to see is the boss wants to steal vivian for whatever his reasons are. vivian has all the power now. she can make the boss, hutch, sons friends , mechanic do whatever she wants . but she chooses to be submissive to any man with a hardon . she gives them the attention they desire in front of hutch and son, the acts like she fels so bad about it but does it stop the hoe train? nope not at all it just makes her get nastier without regard to the feelings. she thrives on there misery then acts like the wounded duck . she cries for there misery as she gets off on piling it on them . she gets off on making them feel pain then cries afterwards. such a nasty hoe. god i love her
 
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According to release 0.2 it's Huutch.
It all started with Huutch losing the 2 clients and when questioned by Christian on his own desk, Huutch facepalmed himself as he remembered that he had obviously forgotten to reach out to the two customers.
View attachment 4671087
His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.

May be I will change my mind to whom the blame is assigned in the next release depending on the input we might get.
So this is where it can get muddy yes hutch lost two clients but my understanding of can she get herself out of the hole she created is that there where options they had there plan in place

But where it becomes her fault is Vivian solely made the decision to visit Christian of her own accord even tho hutch had said he never wanted them to meet

She made the decision to sleep with him countless times

So even with hutch losing two clients it was Vivians own choices and decisions that lead to the bigger issue

That's the way I look at it
 
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I was going by the overview, but that could be an example of the author switching things back and forth. I am thinking there might be some twists and turns in the story. The author could do things to flip things back and forth on who he wants the audience to blame more. That would be an example of good writing if done well.
I would agree hence why I don't think this is going to be a typical cut and dry NTR game
 

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what everyone fails to see is the boss wants to steal vivian for whatever his reasons are. vivian has all the power now. she can make the boss, hutch, sons friends , mechanic do whatever she wants . but she chooses to be submissive to any man with a hardon . she gives them the attention they desire in front of hutch and son, the acts like she fels so bad about it but does it stop the hoe train? nope not at all it just makes her get nastier without regard to the feelings. she thrives on there misery then acts like the wounded duck . she cries for there misery as she gets off on piling it on them . she gets off on making them feel pain then cries afterwards. such a nasty hoe. god i love her
I agree with parts of this but I don't think Christian out and out wants to steal her , I think he wants he wants her because he not meant to be able to have her almost like when you where young and your parents told you not to do something it just made you want to do it more

And again with Christian as mentioned I genuinely don't think he cares about or will love anyone that isn't himself

One thing I will say is I would be disappointed by the end of it when it's all done if Vivian is portrayed as the victim of it all as she is far from the victim in this situation

Like I said with the living room scene and she says she's sorry is she actually sorry or is she just sorry she got caught
 

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I agree with parts of this but I don't think Christian out and out wants to steal her , I think he wants he wants her because he not meant to be able to have her almost like when you where young and your parents told you not to do something it just made you want to do it more

And again with Christian as mentioned I genuinely don't think he cares about or will love anyone that isn't himself

One thing I will say is I would be disappointed by the end of it when it's all done if Vivian is portrayed as the victim of it all as she is far from the victim in this situation

Like I said with the living room scene and she says she's sorry is she actually sorry or is she just sorry she got caught
vivian is caught between her marital duties and her primal urges. she didnt want to lose her marriage but couldnt say no to the vitamin D. now she is caught between trying to keep her family and get all that big D anytime she wants. one hand she knows that becoming a hoe is tearing her life apart but she cant say no to it . like all cum slut cheating wives they want there cake an eat it too. as this VN progresses i feel like she will get much more aggressive and start really cucking her husband and son. then of course cry about it later. professing how she did all for them when it is a half truth because now she wants to bang other men. she realizes she doesnt enjoy hutchy anymore and gets off on there misery
 

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So with that even if we just had hutch and Christian side by side realistically who out of the two is more likely to play around
I think the main part of it for me is whether Vivian would feel jealousy if she saw Christian with another woman. Generally, I'd say not a chance - possibly even relief would be the feeling instead. Of course though, there's the whole thing about his attentions making her feel attractive, etc., so it's also possible that she could feel some small bit of jealousy at having those attentions directed elsewhere... but enough to include as a byline in the game's summary?
His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.
That's a pretty big sweeping statement there. Being good with numbers doesn't somehow equate to having a messy/busy desk. Plenty of offices are largely paper-free, so the absense of papers (and post-its) all over a desk can't be taken to mean anything.

Plus, remember that this is a game - the dev is reliant on there being assets available, or having to create them himself. Maybe there are clear-desk assets for an office, but no paper-strewn desks that fit the aesthetic being created. As with many many things here, I think we over-analyse a bit too much, and should just keep it simple instead!
 
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I think the main part of it for me is whether Vivian would feel jealousy if she saw Christian with another woman. Generally, I'd say not a chance - possibly even relief would be the feeling instead. Of course though, there's the whole thing about his attentions making her feel attractive, etc., so it's also possible that she could feel some small bit of jealousy at having those attentions directed elsewhere... but enough to include as a byline in the game's summary?

That's a pretty big sweeping statement there. Being good with numbers doesn't somehow equate to having a messy/busy desk. Plenty of offices are largely paper-free, so the absense of papers (and post-its) all over a desk can't be taken to mean anything.

Plus, remember that this is a game - the dev is reliant on there being assets available, or having to create them himself. Maybe there are clear-desk assets for an office, but no paper-strewn desks that fit the aesthetic being created. As with many many things here, I think we over-analyse a bit too much, and should just keep it simple instead!
Very true could it be anger misunderstood to be jealously if she sees him with someone else , how could he do this to my marriage to me and say all those things to me do all those things to me to throw it to the side for another woman sort of thing - now I'm well aware that this is a big jump/ stretch haha so it's the best I can think of until it actually happens or we get more to go off
 
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I know the dev doesnt plan to do this (and I fully respect that) but I would love for Hutch to go full American Beauty. By that I mean dieting and exercising, somehow getting a position in the company by his boss' higher ups so that he wont get fired, and start dating the blond woman in the office.
Yeah was thinking the same thing. Imagine Hutch while taking "time off" from husband duties, goes to the gym and starts buffing out, perhaps takes a few boxing lessons too. Maybe visits a brothel or two and seeks sexual lessons on pleasing women. Why not ask take a few self-help lessons or read some books to improve his self confidence. In the end could become a ladies man, and start rolling in poontang. Might even break Vivian's heart :(

So il put the question out there and Il use hutch and Vivian as the example if Vivian goes out and whores all round and say leaves hutch or comes back to him and they try to move past it ... Does it really take away from the game that much for you if hutch went well that happened and eventually moves on and finds happiness with someone else or says to Vivian look I thought I could do this but I cant and serves her with divorce papers and leaves to live a happier life , now I'm not saying that it has to be a massive part of the story I'm talking purely about an end outcome for hutch here ... Hopefully that all makes sense and I've put my point across well enough
This is a good point. It would be disappointing, in a story sense, if they kind of just put it behind them or pretend it never happened. There's got to be some sort of reasonable emotional tug in the ending.


So this is where it can get muddy yes hutch lost two clients but my understanding of can she get herself out of the hole she created is that there where options they had there plan in place

But where it becomes her fault is Vivian solely made the decision to visit Christian of her own accord even tho hutch had said he never wanted them to meet

She made the decision to sleep with him countless times

So even with hutch losing two clients it was Vivians own choices and decisions that lead to the bigger issue

That's the way I look at it
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Been arguing this point for a while. Losing a few clients is no excuse to start cheating on your husband. It is definitely her fault, she got the shit show rolling.
As for the missing accounts, this was my theory way back on page 92: Theory of lost accounts, making Hutch innocent. I should start taking bets to see if it eventuates.
 
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The problem is that she once sold her ass for financial privileges, she also discovered that she could derive satisfaction from it, as it turns out, without consequences (which worried her a lot*). I'm afraid he'll get completely immersed in it, and only then will the moment of enlightenment come "am i different from a whore?".
For Chris she is just a temporary kitte and she should be aware of this.

Take into account that this is the USA, and the reality there is a bit different, if you have a job it's great, if not - you're at the bottom**. They have a son in college - they have to finance it, because if he doesn't get an education he will fall off the ladder they worked for. Tthe economic and living thinking (and realities) in the USA is completely different than in Europe.

*she is very afraid that Hutch will leave her
**Audi on credit, no idea about the house - but in the USA everything is on credit ;)
 
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I think the main part of it for me is whether Vivian would feel jealousy if she saw Christian with another woman. Generally, I'd say not a chance - possibly even relief would be the feeling instead. Of course though, there's the whole thing about his attentions making her feel attractive, etc., so it's also possible that she could feel some small bit of jealousy at having those attentions directed elsewhere... but enough to include as a byline in the game's summary?

That's a pretty big sweeping statement there. Being good with numbers doesn't somehow equate to having a messy/busy desk. Plenty of offices are largely paper-free, so the absense of papers (and post-its) all over a desk can't be taken to mean anything.

Plus, remember that this is a game - the dev is reliant on there being assets available, or having to create them himself. Maybe there are clear-desk assets for an office, but no paper-strewn desks that fit the aesthetic being created. As with many many things here, I think we over-analyse a bit too much, and should just keep it simple instead!
The surroundings mentioned by me were meant in a sarcastic way to emphasize Huutchs' forgetfulness regarding the lost of his 2 clients.
Don't take everything so seriously I'm fully aware that you can't design every single picture exactly according to the situation and certainly not a one-man team.
 

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Yeah was thinking the same thing. Imagine Hutch while taking "time off" from husband duties, goes to the gym and starts buffing out, perhaps takes a few boxing lessons too. Maybe visits a brothel or two and seeks sexual lessons on pleasing women. Why not ask take a few self-help lessons or read some books to improve his self confidence. In the end could become a ladies man, and start rolling in poontang. Might even break Vivian's heart :(



This is a good point. It would be disappointing, in a story sense, if they kind of just put it behind them or pretend it never happened. There's got to be some sort of reasonable emotional tug in the ending.




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Been arguing this point for a while. Losing a few clients is no excuse to start cheating on your husband. It is definitely her fault, she got the shit show rolling.
As for the missing accounts, this was my theory way back on page 92: Theory of lost accounts, making Hutch innocent. I should start taking bets to see if it eventuates.
Honestly I could see hutch inviting Christian over and going all Patrick Bateman on him ... It's hip to be square hahaha

Honestly for me if they just stay together and act like nothing happened and never talk about it that's the worst ending for me , that and if they stay together and Vivian continues to fuck around and hutch just has to accept it , I'd mainly just like him to have a say in the matter.

Regarding the accounts I have a theory that he never actually lost them and was just looking to trim some fat so to speak and may or may not of fired him in the morning but I think the opportunity of Vivian purely fell into his lap that morning and thought well I'm not gonna miss this opportunity
 

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Honestly I could see hutch inviting Christian over and going all Patrick Bateman on him ... It's hip to be square hahaha

Honestly for me if they just stay together and act like nothing happened and never talk about it that's the worst ending for me , that and if they stay together and Vivian continues to fuck around and hutch just has to accept it , I'd mainly just like him to have a say in the matter.

Regarding the accounts I have a theory that he never actually lost them and was just looking to trim some fat so to speak and may or may not of fired him in the morning but I think the opportunity of Vivian purely fell into his lap that morning and thought well I'm not gonna miss this opportunity
i have a feeling in some way shape or form hutchy and son will get a front row seat to all vivians "work" and she will love every second of it
 

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. Losing a few clients is no excuse to start cheating on your husband. It is definitely her fault, she got the shit show rolling.
losing clients = loss job = loss of material status=loss of savings=risk of losing son's future (education)/everything
if it could be avoided by having sex with husband boss, i have no questions :)
Vivian did the only thing that could effectively help
 

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i have a feeling in some way shape or form hutchy and son will get a front row seat to all vivians "work" and she will love every second of it
Duke I mean this in the nicest possible way and this nothing against you in the slightest

But I've noticed on a few of the posts you've commented on especially with quotes you don't provide a challenge to points or a rebuttal, you tend to just double down on the NTR aspect of things - now like I said this is nothing against you or your opinion, but there will be different opinions so I guess what I'm saying is while you have your own opinion/preference it's worth being respectful of other peoples opinions and preferences

Now I'm fully open to an actual conversation around things where we can challenge eachother points and it's light hearted id actually welcome it after all we are all adults here

But as it stands for me at the moment it just reads like NTR propaganda rather than an actual conversation

Again just to reaffirm this is nothing against you in the slightest or a go at you at all

This is why NTR thread put me on edge haha as the tend to be minefields most of the time
 

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Duke I mean this in the nicest possible way and this nothing against you in the slightest

But I've noticed on a few of the posts you've commented on especially with quotes you don't provide a challenge to points or a rebuttal, you tend to just double down on the NTR aspect of things - now like I said this is nothing against you or your opinion, but there will be different opinions so I guess what I'm saying is while you have your own opinion/preference it's worth being respectful of other peoples opinions and preferences

Now I'm fully open to an actual conversation around things where we can challenge eachother points and it's light hearted id actually welcome it after all we are all adults here

But as it stands for me at the moment it just reads like NTR propaganda rather than an actual conversation

Again just to reaffirm this is nothing against you in the slightest or a go at you at all

This is why NTR thread put me on edge haha as the tend to be minefields most of the time
honestly i respect everyones opinion but sometimes i think people want the dev to take a different path in his VN .. if you played the VN then it is clear the dev wants hutchy to witness his wife being banged by another man . hence why i said the dev could have made it were the meet at a hotel an hutch never knows.. what is even worse is when she yells at her son as he is trying to protect her just so she can give his friend a hug and put his face between her melons ... seriously!!!! simple question for you .. why do you think the dev purposely made it so hutchy witnesses everything that happens?
 
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