Senor Smut

Member
Aug 11, 2020
398
1,364
267
I think, what I am seeing here in some posts is why women are so reluctant to press charges for rape. The unsympathetic cross examination is simply not worth it.
Bruh...whut?

Vivian went to the backyard with Christian on the first night knowing she was going to get fucked. She went willingly, and then spent the whole night fucking Christian. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that a guy IN THE NEXT ROOM would have heard her ruckus, but she did it anyway. Every subsequent time -- every single one -- she had the option to not have sex with whomever, but she chose to have sex. She chose.

There's a rule in watching magicians: watch the hands, not the mouth. The mouth says whatever it wants, but actions don't lie. And people who really don't want to do something that they know will destroy someone the love...don't do it. Just, period, they don't do it. They eat the consequences, no matter how bad they are, rather than inflict egregious, gratuitous suffering on the people they care about. Sure, we had a lot of internal monologue about how guilty she felt, but it never delayed her for even a second in causing Hutch more pain. The only possible conclusions are that she never actually cared about him, or at least she never cared about him more than her own personal gratification.

Of all the sex scenes in the game, the only one that might conceivably be called coercive is the one in the hotel near the end of Chapter 2 -- you know, the one where she revealed herself to be a hateful cunt toward the husband whose heart she'd spent both chapters carving out. Even that scene, she absolutely could have chosen to leave. She didn't because she liked it, as she admitted in the last scene.

There is no doubt Christian is an utter sociopath: he manipulates people solely for the satisfaction of seeing them destroy themselves for him. But just because Christian is a sociopath doesn't mean that Vivian is is victim or is innocent; she's a willing partner in Christian's evil actions toward Hutch. She tells Christian he's an asshole, tells him not to humiliate her husband, and then gleefully fucks him and humiliates her husband herself. Forget what she says -- she hasn't taken a sympathetic action in the entire game.

Oh, and BTW, you know a game is well written when it can evoke this kind of passionate discussion.
 

noahsombrero

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2023
1,137
465
191
Oh, and BTW, you know a game is well written when it can evoke this kind of passionate discussion.
Granted.

There is the women's bathroom scene where husband in there on the crapper, wife comes in and boss follows. He starts his arousal routine and she resists for a while. Husband is about to come to her aid, but he sees she is giving in. What this means for me is that husband is not the wuss that we tend to take him for. But if she gives in he won't try to save her.

It also also means that wife, like many women, is not up to the job of fighting boss off. This does not make her a whore, or a manipulator, or a willing partner. Husband should have known that. But we are all limited by what we don't know, and he is right, if she were a willing partner, there is no sense in trying to save her. He judges her the same as many here do.
 

Senor Smut

Member
Aug 11, 2020
398
1,364
267
Granted.

There is the women's bathroom scene where husband in there on the crapper, wife comes in and boss follows. He starts his arousal routine and she resists for a while. Husband is about to come to her aid, but he sees she is giving in. What this means for me is that husband is not the wuss that we tend to take him for. But if she gives in he won't try to save her.

It also also means that wife, like many women, is not up to the job of fighting boss off. This does not make her a whore, or a manipulator, or a willing partner. Husband should have known that. But we are all limited by what we don't know, and he is right, if she were a willing partner, there is no sense in trying to save her. He judges her the same as many here do.
Did you play through the end of Chapter 2? Because she admits she's a VERY willing partner and has been all along.
 

noahsombrero

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2023
1,137
465
191
Did you play through the end of Chapter 2? Because she admits she's a VERY willing partner and has been all along.
Yes, I did, right up to where she asks him if he has been playing her again tonight to help her accept what she wants.
I did not see her admit any such thing.

But this game has what, 7 chapters? 5 maybe, not sure. In any case, a lot more must happen to fill all that space. Like husband hooking up with office girl, and much more boss/wife until he gets tired of her, or gives up on winning her love. Many strange things could happen like wife hooking up with the mechanic with his dick hanging out of his shorts. Who knows? Much like BaD I suspect, these early speculations are very premature. Pun intended.
 

Senor Smut

Member
Aug 11, 2020
398
1,364
267
Yes, I did, right up to where she asks him if he has been playing her again tonight to help her accept what she wants.
I did not see her admit any such thing.

But this game has what, 7 chapters? 5 maybe, not sure. In any case, a lot more must happen to fill all that space. Like husband hooking up with office girl, and much more boss/wife until he gets tired of her, or gives up on winning her love. Many strange things could happen like wife hooking up with the mechanic with his dick hanging out of his shorts. Who knows? Much like BaD I suspect, these early speculations are very premature. Pun intended.
I'm not playing any more chapters -- as much as I admire the game, it is severely not my cup of tea -- but I do hope the dev maintains the courage of their convictions and sends this game into dark territory. Based on the tone and what's happened so far, this is not a game where anyone should come out happy...except maybe Christian, who is a complete sociopath, so as long as he causes destruction and comes out unscathed, he'll be pleased as punch.
 

noahsombrero

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2023
1,137
465
191
I'm not playing any more chapters -- as much as I admire the game, it is severely not my cup of tea -- but I do hope the dev maintains the courage of their convictions and sends this game into dark territory. Based on the tone and what's happened so far, this is not a game where anyone should come out happy...except maybe Christian, who is a complete sociopath, so as long as he causes destruction and comes out unscathed, he'll be pleased as punch.
I felt that way near the end of chpt 1. I thought this is simply too ugly. But here I am, much like her, I guess.


Anyway, you need to take that point in their conversation in context

Wife: Don't you worry. You won. You got what you wanted right from the start. I'm with you. I won't keep pretending I'm not.

Boss: Don't act like this isn't what you wanted too.

Wife: If it is what I want, then why do I hate myself? Tonight was meant to be a renewed focus for us. Instead I end up in bed with you...again.

Boss: Husband will have to be happy with the leftovers.

Wife: Don't be mean.

Boss: OK, I'm sorry.,

Wife: And remember...

Boss: I know-I know...husband...noble sacrifice...I get it.


And yes, he does finally get it. And no, I don't think that in this context "I'm with you" means she was a *very* willing partner.

It might be that she is hearing the assessment of Sunshine that she is simply a woman in her sexual prime not getting enough from her husband. And the boss seems willing to fill the gap, so let him.

Nature's dirty trick. A woman is in sexual prime at 35-45. A man's prime in his late teens and twenties.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Luc77 and JoeBlogs

Dealbreaker

Active Member
May 12, 2024
952
1,073
220
Nature's dirty trick. A woman is in sexual prime at 35-45. A man's prime in his late teens and twenties.
???? ?
I guess you mean something very particular witth "sexual prime", but this sentence as it stands doesn't do justice to neither sex, to put it mildly. Nor does it to "nature". What you have in mind is probably far more a product of our late civilization. In terms of pure biology this is complete bs of course. In terms off "coming to terms with your own sexuality and being able to enjoy it" as such statemsts are often meant - you obviously don't apply that measure to men which have a totally different task in that regard, namely self-control, managing libido, channeling it etc. and this is something many around 20 have still to do esp in the contemporary environment without early marriages anymore etc.
 
Last edited:

TheDuke9999

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2022
1,129
1,604
287
Not to get the paycheck. She was told not to leave until she had the signature. She did what she was told.
She did not know she was going to get a paycheck at that point.



She was very upset about it. Redo that last scene in part 2.



She does it in scenes where she is not or about to be turned on.



As she reminds boss in that last scene. Boss says:

I know-I know...husband...noble sacrifice....got it.

I would say that both of them are being real at this point, and it grinds on boss that he can't win her love and she really does see him as an asshole.
well then going to a clients hotel room, walking in, client makes his intentions known very well.. she can leave and keep her morals.. or let client have his way with her to get contracts signed for money.. she chose to stay. she chose to let client use her body for money . after christian got his piece was there a check waiting for her? yes there was . that is escorting/ prostitution
 

GibboBtw

Active Member
Jul 7, 2024
756
1,726
172
Bruh...whut?

Vivian went to the backyard with Christian on the first night knowing she was going to get fucked. She went willingly, and then spent the whole night fucking Christian. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that a guy IN THE NEXT ROOM would have heard her ruckus, but she did it anyway. Every subsequent time -- every single one -- she had the option to not have sex with whomever, but she chose to have sex. She chose.

There's a rule in watching magicians: watch the hands, not the mouth. The mouth says whatever it wants, but actions don't lie. And people who really don't want to do something that they know will destroy someone the love...don't do it. Just, period, they don't do it. They eat the consequences, no matter how bad they are, rather than inflict egregious, gratuitous suffering on the people they care about. Sure, we had a lot of internal monologue about how guilty she felt, but it never delayed her for even a second in causing Hutch more pain. The only possible conclusions are that she never actually cared about him, or at least she never cared about him more than her own personal gratification.

Of all the sex scenes in the game, the only one that might conceivably be called coercive is the one in the hotel near the end of Chapter 2 -- you know, the one where she revealed herself to be a hateful cunt toward the husband whose heart she'd spent both chapters carving out. Even that scene, she absolutely could have chosen to leave. She didn't because she liked it, as she admitted in the last scene.

There is no doubt Christian is an utter sociopath: he manipulates people solely for the satisfaction of seeing them destroy themselves for him. But just because Christian is a sociopath doesn't mean that Vivian is is victim or is innocent; she's a willing partner in Christian's evil actions toward Hutch. She tells Christian he's an asshole, tells him not to humiliate her husband, and then gleefully fucks him and humiliates her husband herself. Forget what she says -- she hasn't taken a sympathetic action in the entire game.

Oh, and BTW, you know a game is well written when it can evoke this kind of passionate discussion.
Truly, perfectly worded and summarized. 10/10.

Fuck that POS Christian, and equally. Fuck that Hoe Vivian.

Awful people, whom the potential to see suffer some form of comeuppance or karma, in some way or another. Is the sole reason I am now here...:love::love:

Praying that Hutch can be the guy to save me from watching this, pair of insufferable cunts do their bullshit for much longer...(y)(y)
 
  • Like
Reactions: NoM3rcy

noahsombrero

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2023
1,137
465
191
???? ?
I guess you mean something very particular witth "sexual prime", but this sentence as it stands doesn't do justice to neither sex, to put it mildly. Nor does it to "nature". What you have in mind is probably far more a product of our late civilization. In terms of pure biology this is complete bs of course. In terms off "coming to terms with your own sexuality and being able to enjoy it" as such statemsts are often meant - you obviously don't apply that measure to men which have a totally different task in that regard, namely self-control, managing libido, channeling it etc. and this is something many around 20 have still to do esp in the contemporary environment without early marriages anymore etc.
It was Sunshine's phrase. She said that wife was a woman in her sexual prime and could not get enough from her husband.

What I know from being an old guy is that sexual capacity wanes as a guy gets older. As a mid thirties guy said once upon a time, when I was younger 1st one came easy, the 2nd one came easy, the 3rd one came easy, the 4trh one came easy. But now the 1st and 2nd one are still easy, but that 3rd one is really hard.

And for many guys capacity falls sharply away somewhere in their 70's. Although it is true that men have been known to have children in their 90's. But mostly not.

As for women, the joke among sex therapist is:
The young couple comes for therapy, and the therapist asks, how often do you do it? She says always, he says never.
Young women are not yet in their prime. Even though they can certainly do it, maybe even a lot, but there will be more later, and he will be waning.
 

Saerwen

Engaged Member
Jul 7, 2017
3,691
9,945
706
It was Sunshine's phrase. She said that wife was a woman in her sexual prime and could not get enough from her husband.

What I know from being an old guy is that sexual capacity wanes as a guy gets older. As a mid thirties guy said once upon a time, when I was younger 1st one came easy, the 2nd one came easy, the 3rd one came easy, the 4trh one came easy. But now the 1st and 2nd one are still easy, but that 3rd one is really hard.

And for many guys capacity falls sharply away somewhere in their 70's. Although it is true that men have been known to have children in their 90's. But mostly not.

As for women, the joke among sex therapist is:
The young couple comes for therapy, and the therapist asks, how often do you do it? She says always, he says never.
Young women are not yet in their prime. Even though they can certainly do it, maybe even a lot, but there will be more later, and he will be waning.
It depends on a woman. As one I know that better. It can start in teen years or later. For most women is in their 20s actually. The best age for the first child that doctors recommend is 25 because a woman is fully developed and matured. Also, the reason of sexual peak for a woman in late years is because the biological clock is ticking, so 30s and 40s are the last age for pregnancy. Of course, you have women in their 50s fucking like rabbits and that's because a menstrual cycle stops and they can have sex without worry about whether they'll became pregnant or not. Vivian fulfilled roles of a wife and a mother and now she can enjoy her sexual life.
 
Last edited:
4.50 star(s) 193 Votes