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well then going to a clients hotel room, walking in, client makes his intentions known very well.. she can leave and keep her morals.. or let client have his way with her to get contracts signed for money.. she chose to stay. she chose to let client use her body for money . after christian got his piece was there a check waiting for her? yes there was . that is escorting/ prostitution
That is a very narrow view of sexual relations. Lovers give each other money and it has nothing to do with sex. Same thing for employers. They pay even though they might be in a sexual relationship with the employee. How would it go if the employer said, I can't pay you any more because then you would feel like a whore. No she would not.

I think the talk with Sunshine is key to the whole thing. She said that women tend to want a gentle, kind, loving husband. But from a sexual partner they tend to want a demanding, strong even rough partner. The bad news, is that women mostly cannot have both.

Again, this is dealing in generalities, and it might be that Sunshine said that to wife because she perceived that, for wife, this would be true.


Continuing to think about this, I think the wife/boss conversation before the last part 2 scene is important. Boss asks, how did you feel after the sex with whozit? She said, I felt empowered, free. He could not break me, *you* cannot break me.

Boss asks, so what do you want from me now? Wife says, I want you to be gentle and loving with me. Boss asks, you don't like the way I do it? Wife says, I do, but this time I want you to be gentle.

Because there can be sex without love. But if a person wants to feel loved in sex, there is no faking it. That is why she seemed so happy after her tremendous climax, and his demand that she admit that she belonged to him. After, they laid together and she was brimming with happiness, she stroked his cheek. Yes, I think this is their love story. But, as Sunshine said, the husband is necessary too. She loves them both in different ways.
 
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Vivian went to the backyard with Christian on the first night knowing she was going to get fucked. She went willingly, and then spent the whole night fucking Christian.
Seven times that night, all the way to sunrise. As good as a honeymoon. Yes, this is their love story. There might be one or two, but 7 will not happen without some feeling behind it. There needs to be a joy in it, a feeling of this is real I want all I can get. Even though wife is probably not ready to admit that to herself yet. That will come later.
 

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Seven times that night, all the way to sunrise. As good as a honeymoon. Yes, this is their love story. There might be one or two, but 7 will not happen without some feeling behind it. There needs to be a joy in it, a feeling of this is real I want all I can get. Even though wife is probably not ready to admit that to herself yet. That will come later.
Just to be accurate, we don't know how many times it was. We know that there were various pauses and that they each finished three times, so Christian calls it six. I think, if I correctly remember the timing of Sunshine's mental count, that must include the initial sex in the backyard, because she says eight - which would be the six, plus the office bathroom, plus in front of Vivian's home.
 

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That is a very narrow view of sexual relations. Lovers give each other money and it has nothing to do with sex. Same thing for employers. They pay even though they might be in a sexual relationship with the employee. How would it go if the employer said, I can't pay you any more because then you would feel like a whore. No she would not.

I think the talk with Sunshine is key to the whole thing. She said that women tend to want a gentle, kind, loving husband. But from a sexual partner they tend to want a demanding, strong even rough partner. The bad news, is that women mostly cannot have both.

Again, this is dealing in generalities, and it might be that Sunshine said that to wife because she perceived that, for wife, this would be true.


Continuing to think about this, I think the wife/boss conversation before the last part 2 scene is important. Boss asks, how did you feel after the sex with whozit? She said, I felt empowered, free. He could not break me, *you* cannot break me.

Boss asks, so what do you want from me now? Wife says, I want you to be gentle and loving with me. Boss asks, you don't like the way I do it? Wife says, I do, but this time I want you to be gentle.

Because there can be sex without love. But if a person wants to feel loved in sex, there is no faking it. That is why she seemed so happy after her tremendous climax, and his demand that she admit that she belonged to him. After, they laid together and she was brimming with happiness, she stroked his cheek. Yes, I think this is their love story. But, as Sunshine said, the husband is necessary too. She loves them both in different ways.
true lovers give each other money but the timing might be a little off here so I'm with Duke on this one.
 

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That is a very narrow view of sexual relations. Lovers give each other money and it has nothing to do with sex. Same thing for employers. They pay even though they might be in a sexual relationship with the employee. How would it go if the employer said, I can't pay you any more because then you would feel like a whore. No she would not.
She was paid for her services and we know what she did.This is not a lovers conversation : honey i need money for a new buttplug..this one that i have is too small.


Continuing to think about this, I think the wife/boss conversation before the last part 2 scene is important. Boss asks, how did you feel after the sex with whozit? She said, I felt empowered, free. He could not break me, *you* cannot break me.
Here maybe SC wanted to tell us something...dunno maybe she warned him in advance.


Boss asks, so what do you want from me now? Wife says, I want you to be gentle and loving with me. Boss asks, you don't like the way I do it? Wife says, I do, but this time I want you to be gentle.

Because there can be sex without love. But if a person wants to feel loved in sex, there is no faking it. That is why she seemed so happy after her tremendous climax, and his demand that she admit that she belonged to him. After, they laid together and she was brimming with happiness, she stroked his cheek. Yes, I think this is their love story. But, as Sunshine said, the husband is necessary too. She loves them both in different ways.
Really step into the real world and you will see some women to get what they want can be oscar worthy
 
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Just to be accurate, we don't know how many times it was. We know that there were various pauses and that they each finished three times, so Christian calls it six. I think, if I correctly remember the timing of Sunshine's mental count, that must include the initial sex in the backyard, because she says eight - which would be the six, plus the office bathroom, plus in front of Vivian's home.
7 times that night. Sunshine said 8 because she had originally suggested it was a one time thing, but wife said, no 6, 3 for me, 3 for him. Then Sunshine upped the count to 8 so far. Denfinitely not a one time thing.
 

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She was paid for her services and we know what she did.This is not a lovers conversation : honey i need money for a new buttplug..this one that i have is too small.
In this case it was the employer in a sexual relationship who cannot say, sorry I can't pay you any more.

Really step into the real world and you will see some women to get what they want can be oscar worthy
That is true, remembering the movie Brian meets Sally. Not sure if that was the name, something like that.
But the thing to notice is her response to the feeling of being loved. It was what she was missing before from him, and it makes her so happy to have it. She was not called upon to fake an orgasm, as Sally was demonstrating. And a man simply cannot do that.

And if she were faking orgasms, she would not care if boss did not really love her. And certainly she would not have gone for 7 times with him in one night, Enough already, I'm done, aren't you?
 
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7 times that night. Sunshine said 8 because she had originally suggested it was a one time thing, but wife said, no 6, 3 for me, 3 for him. Then Sunshine upped the count to 8 so far. Denfinitely not a one time thing.
Sunshine said the time in the car/front lawn brought the total up to eight. So that would make the office bathroom seven, and then six total (three finishes each) on that first night at Christian's. Vivian originally said she slept with him "six times..." and then "...in one night" so that's presumably once in the backyard, and then what they are counting as five in the bedroom (with a bit in the kitchen, too).
 

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What baffles me is that nobody said a word about Hutch being payed a lot more then Viv. Or did I miss some posts?
 

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What baffles me is that nobody said a word about Hutch being payed a lot more then Viv. Or did I miss some posts?
Hutch will actually be working on the contract, so he gets a regular payment over its lifetime, whereas Vivian's payment is a one-time... consulting fee.

Or are you suggesting Hutch is having sex with Christian for payment? :ROFLMAO:
 
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whereas Vivian's payment is a one-time... consulting fee.
She gave him useful ideas at the dinner, for instance discovering that husband and wife involved were divorcing. And probably not a good idea to take them to a Japanese restaurant, even if she is Japanese. If mcwife had not done that, I suspect he would not have paid her. He being the successful manager of employees, watcher of return on employee investment. He definitely wants more of that kind of advice from her. The payment reinforces that, and makes it clear that sex between them is an entirely different matter.
 
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Hutch will actually be working on the contract, so he gets a regular payment over its lifetime, whereas Vivian's payment is a one-time... consulting fee.

Or are you suggesting Hutch is having sex with Christian for payment? :ROFLMAO:
no what I'm suggesting is that he gets paid for her services.
 

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no what I'm suggesting is that he gets paid for her services.
That would in no way motivate her to continue giving advice that he needs to have.

So, of the three employees involved in the business deal, one is the salesman, one is the numbers guy, and one is his advisor. All three are essential and they need to understand that and be rewarded accordingly.

It is also good for his relationship with wife and for his business to have it clear that relationship and business are entirely separate concerns for him.
 
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There's a thing in the talks here i'd like to adress which i find perfectly untrue : You can be a good husband a good lover. Btw, Christian, in real life, would be a lousy lover : no foreplay, no going down on her, don't seem to use his fingers, and even during penetration has a poor rythm, thinks bc he has a big one it does the trick. Selfish lovers are bad lovers. If a woman cheats on her husband, it's more often bc they're stuck in rut, don't do the work to keep the fire burning. There's a lot of resons of course but this one is number 1 easy. Don't take MHB too seriously.
 

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That would in no way motivate her to continue giving advice that he needs to have.

So, of the three employees involved in the business deal, one is the salesman, one is the numbers guy, and one is his advisor. All three are essential and they need to understand that and be rewarded accordingly.

It is also good for his relationship with wife and for his business to have it clear that relationship and business are entirely separate concerns for him.
It would make the story more interesting though. Think about it. Where is the logic. In CH1 Hutch almost gets fired. He is demoted but in CH2 gets to be part of a big contract and gets a lot of money for it. makes no sense to me.
 

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There's a thing in the talks here i'd like to adress which i find perfectly untrue : You can be a good husband a good lover. Btw, Christian, in real life, would be a lousy lover : no foreplay, no going down on her, don't seem to use his fingers, and even during penetration has a poor rythm, thinks bc he has a big one it does the trick. Selfish lovers are bad lovers. If a woman cheats on her husband, it's more often bc they're stuck in rut, don't do the work to keep the fire burning. There's a lot of resons of course but this one is number 1 easy. Don't take MHB too seriously.
Agreed. My point has been over several pages of comments that she is no whore, does not deserve to be belittled. In this game or any other context. It is true that wife was unsure of this herself, which is why the conversation with Sunshine is so important to her and to us gamers who want to understand her.

And if she finds she needs a lover to fill in where husband fails, she is entitled to that. So are a whole lot of other women. It is true that it is not husband's fault that he is not a great lover in her eyes, needs to take a pill to get it up sometimes. If husband is willing, she wants to be able to continue loving him as she always has. Which might be a better deal that the walking papers that a lot of husbands get. ymmv.

Chapter 3 will begin with that honest husband/wife conversation, I bet.
 

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no what I'm suggesting is that he gets paid for her services.
Hutch was losing his commission as a salesman as part of his job change - having a more "behind the scenes" role. It was said that his payment would be restructured too, so that he wouldn't see much of a salary change overall. (I think that was including Vivian's paymen though, so that's not entirely accurate. It means that the household wouldn't see a reduction, but it would still mean a reduction for Hutch overall.)
There's a thing in the talks here i'd like to adress which i find perfectly untrue : You can be a good husband a good lover. Btw, Christian, in real life, would be a lousy lover : no foreplay, no going down on her, don't seem to use his fingers, and even during penetration has a poor rythm, thinks bc he has a big one it does the trick. Selfish lovers are bad lovers. If a woman cheats on her husband, it's more often bc they're stuck in rut, don't do the work to keep the fire burning. There's a lot of resons of course but this one is number 1 easy. Don't take MHB too seriously.
Agreed that you can be both a good husband and a good lover. I've not seen comments specifically saying you can't be both (though I admit to skimming some of the posts...), I think it was just Sunshine pulling out of Vivian that Hutch wasn't both. Even that is unclear though, IMO, as Vivian agrees that Hutch is the "safe" option, and not the "wild and exciting" option. You don't have to be wild and exciting to be a good lover though, which ties in with your point.

For the other bit, Christian does go down on Vivian, but I think we've only seen it once (in the office bathroom).

More surprisingly, I was thinking the other day and this has just reminded me... I don't think we've seen Vivian take a facial, as one of the staples of these games. Rain came on her back. Christian has given her a visible creampie and has cum in her mouth, with a little overflow, but I don't think there have been any other times we've actually seen a finish, or have we?
 

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It would make the story more interesting though. Think about it. Where is the logic. In CH1 Hutch almost gets fired. He is demoted but in CH2 gets to be part of a big contract and gets a lot of money for it. makes no sense to me.
It makes sense to the guy who runs a successful business. Boss says that husband gets the fewest sales of any of his employees, but the ones he gets are the most profitable for the business. It makes sense for him to keep husband if he can think of a way.
 

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It makes sense to the guy who runs a successful business. Boss says that husband gets the fewest sales of any of his employees, but the ones he gets are the most profitable for the business. It makes sense for him to keep husband if he can think of a way.
Yeah, i think he needs Hutch a lot more than he's giving him credit for. Plus, it's not impossible a part of the deals Christian makes are shady (no proof just an inutition) and he may need Hutch expertise with numbers to make it seem legit. AGain, pure speculation.
 
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