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In other words, if she were inside the bedroom getting fucked 6 times, screaming and yelling with pleasure and not resisting one bit while husband suffered outside the door, you would not like her, would take immediate action to get rid of her. But that is not the story SC wants to tell.

As for me, I am waiting for her to grow a pair and decide which one she wants and do what ever it takes to get the other one out of her life. If she stays with husband, she will need to make sure that she never sees or speaks to boss again one way or the other. Because, otherwise she knows she will be fucking him again in 5 minutes. She does not want that to happen because she knows he is toxic to everything she cares about, her husband, her son, and herself. If she does one of those, I will like her. If she is simply too nuts to manage that, then I am sad for her.
i hate to say this but vivian is beyond the boss now.. vivian is sleeping with multiple men.. she likes being a hoe now. she wants the stretch hutchy cant give her.. everyone so worried about the boss they dont see the other 30 guys lining to get there slice of pie lol
 

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In other words, if she were inside the bedroom getting fucked 6 times, screaming and yelling with pleasure and not resisting one bit while husband suffered outside the door, you would not like her, would take immediate action to get rid of her. But that is not the story SC wants to tell.

As for me, I am waiting for her to grow a pair and decide which one she wants and do what ever it takes to get the other one out of her life. If she stays with husband, she will need to make sure that she never sees or speaks to boss again one way or the other. Because, otherwise she knows she will be fucking him again in 5 minutes. She does not want that to happen because she knows he is toxic to everything she cares about, her husband, her son, and herself. If she does one of those, I will like her. If she is simply too nuts to manage that, then I am sad for her.
no what I mean if it had been me. the scene in the bedroom wouldn't have happened. Not an interesting story in other words. When you see at Hutch in Ch1 he is devastated but in Ch2 he is passive true but after seeing her fuck the boss he doesn't pretend to be asleep but questions her about the meeting. He is in the whole chapter kind of cold. That is not the reaction of a cuck. Trust is something that is hard to gain but easy to lose and practically impossible to regain. Even the swingers warned her about it. She thinks she is in control but there is no way she can end with someone with the story going like it is now.
 
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i hate to say this but vivian is beyond the boss now.. vivian is sleeping with multiple men.. she likes being a hoe now. she wants the stretch hutchy cant give her.. everyone so worried about the boss they dont see the other 30 guys lining to get there slice of pie lol
Fine, I still won't lilke her.
 

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She fuck anyone outside of Christian and business. Think Christian might change his attitude. It removes his control and doesn’t benefit him. Plus it would make him look like a fool or even a cuck.
 
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no what I mean if it had been me. the scene in the bedroom wouldn't have happened. Not an interesting story in other words. When you see at Hutch in Ch1 he is devastated but in Ch2 he is passive true but after seeing her fuck the boss he doesn't pretend to be asleep but questions her about the meeting. He is in the whole chapter kind of cold. That is not the reaction of a cuck. Trust is something that is hard to gain but easy to lose and practically impossible to regain. Even the swingers warned her about it. She thinks she is in control but there is no way she can end with someone with the story going like it is now.
Right, he sees her as repeatedly willing and no longer trusts her, as he should not. Unless she comes clean with some stratospheric honesty. Shrinks say that betrayal of a spouse (either way) is the hardest rupture to treat in their practice. Even harder if they were especially close to start with. Stratospheric, babe. But even failing that, as it probably would irl, if she has chosen the husband path, there can be no going back to boss. If she tries and fails, even more respect from me. You did your best babe, move on, get a new life.
 

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Right, he sees her as willing and no longer trusts her, as he should not. Unless she comes clean with some stratospheric honesty. Shrinks say that betrayal of a spouse (either way) is the hardest rupture to treat in their practice. Even harder if they were especially close to start with. Stratospheric, babe. But even failing that, as it probably would irl, if she has chosen the husband path, there can be no going back to boss. If she tries and fails, even more respect from me. You did your best babe, move on, get a new life.
not unless. it pretty much is game over for her now. BUT the good part is that we still will see hot scenes :D
 

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Thanks, very convincing analysis and presentation of the boss's modus operandi. Especially this switching from one mode to the other, this is undeniable, and therefore this shows again and more precisely his malicious intention and aim at controlling and manipulating the couple.

For me the essential point about "abuse" is that I think to be a meaninful concept it has to mean that the target/victim operates under a limited capacity of free will/self-defense. (and therefore Stockholm Syndrome is important, don't want to go into too much detail here, I refered to the classicl definitions 70s and early 80s (the perpetrator is seen as a sort of rescuer from life threatening situations he himself has caused, as the only one on whom the vicitm's life depends), from the mid 80s they somehow merged it together wit Battered Wife Syndrome and extended it, that's right. That's important here in our context, because the sense of their life being in danger was implied also there: the Syndrome was the defense basis in trials against women who preemptively killed abusive husbands in self-defense. So it has this implication of at least the perception of a very restricted freedom and of immediate danger. And it has always to include physical violence, together with psychological)

If we follow this idea, that the boss's manipulation works this way against Vivian (and Hutch as you seem to hint at) this has I think important consequences for the interpretation and the plot of the VN. Vivian would right now already (since when precisely?) be in an abusive relationship in which she doesn't completely control her actions anymore. She would then really be a victim in the proper sense. You couldn't for example see her as a "whore". I myself would at the moment like to think that she still has the capacity to freely walk away from every situation. She just had a few encounters with the boss up to now, she is not an unexperienced teenager, she has Hutch (isolation is an important factor with Battered Wife Syndrome) if she wants. I see the shock element in the car-situation that you show very well, but after that she can distance herself again. It would be different if the boss would insist on her staying with him for example.
I think you make some good points, but I believe people in abusive relationships have varying degrees of agency.

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I think you make some good points, but I believe people in abusive relationships have varying degrees of agency.

To be clear, as far as I am concerned, Vivian still walked into this, and she opened the door with her lies, cheating, and hypocrisy. I don't take back any of my negative comments about her, but I think she is spiraling downward and is loosing agency (If she hasn't already lost it). When I thought about what Christian said about similar couples whose marriages he destroyed in the past, I got the impression that the couples were shells of themselves afterwards. There were wives who was now his toys, and broken husbands who either were cucks who liked to watch, or cucks who didn't.
SC does say whether you like the ending or not, you will be surprised. So what have we missed?
 

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i think you guys are missing the point here. the main reason why Viv is continuing to fuck around is because Hutch has cut her off from sex. isn't telling her he loves her when she tells him she love him. he doesn't believe she loves him anymore. that's my take on it anyway. and so she can't get fucked by her hubby so she is going to the sure thing Christian and anyone else that she can get. i think if Hutch gave her the dick at home, she wouldn't go looking elsewhere anymore..or maybe not as much...
 

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i think you guys are missing the point here. the main reason why Viv is continuing to fuck around is because Hutch has cut her off from sex. isn't telling her he loves her when she tells him she love him. he doesn't believe she loves him anymore. that's my take on it anyway. and so she can't get fucked by her hubby so she is going to the sure thing Christian and anyone else that she can get. i think if Hutch gave her the dick at home, she wouldn't go looking elsewhere anymore..or maybe not as much...
would you still touch your wife when you saw her fuck your boss or anyone else? That hides her boobs when you point out that the dress she's wearing isn't really appropriate? do I have to go on? o_O
 

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Finally we agree on something!
Something. Marcel is a black kid in a ordinary neighborhood driving around in a car much too nice for his age and resources. He is obviously dominant among his peers. So what is he? I'm not saying that's it. But are you noticing?
 

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would you still touch your wife when you saw her fuck your boss or anyone else? That hides her boobs when you point out that the dress she's wearing isn't really appropriate? do I have to go on? o_O
hell no. i would divorce her ass the day after her all night fuckfest. i would have left while she was fucking him and had the locks changed before she got home. quit the job. do a DNA test on the son cause trust is gone completely. oh and Christian would get a bullet in the head.
 
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