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So we're back to making some assumptions, then claiming those assumptions as confirmed fact despite nothing to support that. And to top it off, we're now going beyond that by wrapping that all up together and giving it more weight than the explicit words of the dev when he said the "Funeral" title picture was left over from another game when he copied the game folders across rather than creating them from scratch...
(And I'll note that in the first of your posts you go with "confirmed" and then when questioned on it, it's "well, there's no certainty"...)

And by these mysterious letters floating about, do you mean these?

If so, the simplest answer is that they are existing Daz assets, no mystery behind them.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no idea of the end" or "ready idea of the end and beginning" if you're trying to equate that to MHB. Again, in the dev's own words:

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I expressed myself imprecisely - as you may remember, at that time we had only the picture with the legs themselves available, no one at the time had dug up the other one (strange, by the way.... I was sure I had reviewed all SCS images at the time) and we were wondering whose legs they were. W hen they belong to the story at all (as you write about it now) - we assumed at the time that they might be Hutch and Addison's legs. We dropped the topic - I think SC himself said it was from his other game which was not published. Then someone dug up the picture, and we got an explanation of whose legs they are. As in the previous post - everything points to the fact that it's Hutch's character, however, and the female character fits Sunshine ver 1.0. So much. So I wrote that it was confirmed (against the conjecture of a few months ago) that it was Hutch. But of course, it could be as according to the official version - that it is a remnant from the old game. Which he did not publish (the usual love one).

Dev wrote that he didn't release this game because it doesn't have an ending - the funeral seems like a great ending, but actually - it could also be the beginning.


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Yes, maybe it's the engine assets, or maybe it matters. Given SC's words about how instead of describing everything (with words/thoughts of the characters) he prefers to show(that's why his story has so many images), I pay a lot of attention to what he shows us. We live in an age where letters are rare displaced by electronic communication.... letters tend to be harbingers of bad information.... (government offices, courts, creditor, banks), so this may be relevant to the story and its mysteries.


I'm surprised by your approach - and it's clear you have a great spread of DAZ resources. :)
 
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Ok lets talk about Christian. He is secretly gay and had a crush on Hutch for a long time. He is actually a loving cute romantic guy but doing evil shit cause he wanted to show Hutch how much of a slut Vivian is so he would change side and acknowledge his love and they can run away in sunset. .... Damn even that scenario still made Vivian a slut, oops.
It is interesting that there is no comparable male 4 letter word for slut. Men can be philanderers or homewreckers. Even promiscuous is mostly a female pejorative. Women are stripers, men are chipndales and much more classy. There is no degraded version of chipndale.

This is probabaly cultural since forever. In Tolstoy's novel Anna Karenina, her soldier lover returns to his army pursuits never to return, and she, pregnant, throws herself under a train.
 
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He clearly didn't expect her to say yes
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and she expected him to stop her

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and yet he doesn't - under the hotel, when she leaves, he catches his head as if sensing what might happen. After all, he knows Chris and the client. So this indicates that he is against it but for some reason doesn't stop Vi ( he is blackmailed by Chris ? mentioned by Sparta).
 

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This is probabaly cultural since forever. In Tolstoy's novel Anna Karenina, her soldier lover returns to his army pursuits never to return, and she, pregnant, throws herself under a train.

Tolstoy was a severe case of male chauvinist pig (even for those times) :)
 

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Tolstoy was a severe case of male chauvinist pig (even for those times) :)
His biography describes his wife as a hardworking transcriber of his tomes by hand in those days, correcting spelling and grammar, knowing him to be a great novelist, as he was. As in these times, male chauvinist pigs can have women who adore them.
 

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It is interesting that there is no comparable male 4 letter word for slut. Men can be philanderers or homewreckers. Even promiscuous is mostly a female pejorative. Women are stripers, men are chipndales and much more classy. There is no degraded version of chipndale.

This is probabaly cultural since forever. In Tolstoy's novel Anna Karenina, her soldier lover returns to his army pursuits never to return, and she, pregnant, throws herself under a train.
Hey, totally new thought for you: men are not women.

Have you ever thought about the fact that women are not called cowards?
 

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Hey, totally new thought for you: men are not women.

Have you ever thought about the fact that women are not called cowards?
I suspect that the penalty for cowardice in battle for female soldiers is the same as for men now that we actually do have women in battle situations. Women can certainly be brave and are commended when they are.
 

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I expressed myself imprecisely - as you may remember, at that time we had only the picture with the legs themselves available, no one at the time had dug up the other one (strange, by the way.... I was sure I had reviewed all SCS images at the time) and we were wondering whose legs they were. W hen they belong to the story at all (as you write about it now) - we assumed at the time that they might be Hutch and Addison's legs. We dropped the topic - I think SC himself said it was from his other game which was not published. Then someone dug up the picture, and we got an explanation of whose legs they are. As in the previous post - everything points to the fact that it's Hutch's character, however, and the female character fits Sunshine ver 1.0. So much. So I wrote that it was confirmed (against the conjecture of a few months ago) that it was Hutch. But of course, it could be as according to the official version - that it is a remnant from the old game. Which he did not publish (the usual love one).

Dev wrote that he didn't release this game because it doesn't have an ending - the funeral seems like a great ending, but actually - it could also be the beginning.

ad. letters
Yes, maybe it's the engine assets, or maybe it matters. Given SC's words about how instead of describing everything (with words/thoughts of the characters) he prefers to show(that's why his story has so many images), I pay a lot of attention to what he shows us. We live in an age where letters are rare displaced by electronic communication.... letters tend to be harbingers of bad information.... (government offices, courts, creditor, banks), so this may be relevant to the story and its mysteries.

I'm surprised by your approach - and it's clear you have a great spread of DAZ resources. :)
Why surprised by my approach? I just prefer to deal with what we have from the game, not taking things from elsewhere and assuming they relate to the game even when the dev has told us outright that they do not. I must have missed where the dev explained those legs were Hutch's, please can you direct me to that? I'm still not seeing anything at all (except your assumptions) that point to them being Hutch and Sunshine, and yet you're saying "everything points to the fact"?

And a funeral can happen anywhere in a story, there's nothing that says it has to be an end (except for the person whose funeral it is...). I think what we have here is a classic case of looking too hard and finding what you want to find as a result, whether it's there to begin with or not....
 

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and she expected him to stop her

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She didn't stop when he didn't know/suspect anything (1st backyard ), She didn't stop when he tried to stop her (Bedroom), She didn't stop when she knew he was sleeping few feets away sleeping !!(kitchen), She didn't stop when she said she is going to the office to say no and stop this (bathroom). And all of this was before he opened the relationship. So I guess in Hutch's mind it doesn't matter whatever he says so he stopped saying anything I guess.

under the hotel, when she leaves, he catches his head as if sensing what might happen. After all, he knows Chris and the client. So this indicates that he is against it but for some reason doesn't stop Vi
Yeah I posted a similar theory, that either he was relieved that she came to her senses or knew what's gonna happen cause maybe Christian told him that she would choose his words/works over dating him.
 

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She didn't stop when he didn't know/suspect anything (1st backyard ), She didn't stop when he tried to stop her (Bedroom), She didn't stop when she knew he was sleeping few feets away sleeping !!(kitchen), She didn't stop when she said she is going to the office to say no and stop this (bathroom). And all of this was before he opened the relationship. So I guess in Hutch's mind it doesn't matter whatever he says so he stopped saying anything I guess.


Yeah I posted a similar theory, that either he was relieved that she came to her senses or knew what's gonna happen cause maybe Christian told him that she would choose his words/works over dating him.
Yes but maybe what she expected was Hutch to behave with authority : "You're my wife, I'm your husband and I don't want you to do this !". It would maybe have leaded to nowhere, because part of her wanted to be with Christian, but who knows...
 

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If he had said, stop ! Let's stop this madness! then she would have to define herself(superposition :) ). However, he does not do so at any point. You can see that he is not easy about it, however, something is holding him back. Blackmail ? Maybe he has another ulterior motive ? Maybe he is simply waiting for the “momentum” of the attack (on Chris). This seems to be the most interesting thing about Hutch. His lack of action, his motivation.
 
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If he had said, stop ! Let's stop this madness! then she would have to define herself(superposition :) ). However, he does not do so at any point. You can see that he is not easy about it, however, something is holding him back. Blackmail ? Maybe he has another ulterior motive ? Maybe he is simply waiting for the “momentum” of the attack (on Chris). This seems to be the most interesting thing about Hutch. His lack of action, his motivation.
That's why at the moment, to me, he is the most unsympathetic character. Don't get me wrong, I feel empathy for him, because nobody deserves the humiliation and the treason he has to endure. But his lack of will, his lack of reaction,... I don't get it. I hope chap3 will bring some answers, because so far I don't understand him.
 

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If he had said, stop ! Let's stop this madness! then she would have to define herself(superposition :) ). However, he does not do so at any point. You can see that he is not easy about it, however, something is holding him back. Blackmail ? Maybe he has another ulterior motive ? Maybe he is simply waiting for the “momentum” of the attack (on Chris). This seems to be the most interesting thing about Hutch. His lack of action, his motivation.
I would say, that it would be pointless for him to insist. The important thing is, does she really want to do it? And if she does, she will find a way. He continues to hope she will come back to him and come clean and stop fucking boss because she wants to, not because he tries to force her to. I think he is right, if she really wanted to stop fucking boss, she would find a way to do that, with his help if necessary.

From the beginning, she would have called to him for help from that first bedroom scene. Instead she enjoyed her 7 times immensely. The confusing thing for husband and us and her, is that she feels unable to let husband go. This is the crux of the story. Let's let SC tell it.

As she tells Sunshine, "how does somebody seduce you 5 seconds after they meet you? My knees actually buckled underneath me." Sunshine tells her it about hidden desires. I think something else. But regardless, she cannot go back to husband and she cannot let him go.
 
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and she expected him to stop her

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and yet he doesn't - under the hotel, when she leaves, he catches his head as if sensing what might happen. After all, he knows Chris and the client. So this indicates that he is against it but for some reason doesn't stop Vi ( he is blackmailed by Chris ? mentioned by Sparta).
he shouldnt have to stop her. love, marriage,vows ,family should stop her.. all the reasons she says she is doing this for should stop her .. if hutch has to stop her then she isnt worth keeping..
 
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