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he shouldnt have to stop her. love, marriage,vows ,family should stop her.. all the reasons she says she is doing this for should stop her .. if hutch has to stop her then she isnt worth keeping..
It isn't about what she is worth. Husband realizes that he cannot keep her if she really wants to fuck boss. Let boss try then.
 
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he shouldnt have to stop her. love, marriage,vows ,family should stop her.. all the reasons she says she is doing this for should stop her .. if hutch has to stop her then she isnt worth keeping..

you are talking nonsense, nothing is defined (given) forever. if you do not work on the relationship, then despite all the baggage (family, assets, connections) it erodes, until the inflection point - for example, the introduction of a new person by either partner.
 
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you are talking nonsense, nothing is defined (given) forever. if you do not work on the relationship, then despite all the baggage (family, assets, connections) it erodes, until the inflection point - for example, the introduction of a new person by either partner.
Working on the relationship can work if both parties agree that they have love and want to do the work. At this point there is no agreement on anything, other than wife cannot choose.

Spouse says, I'm feeling terrible about how things are going. I love you, come sit down and talk to me about what is going on. Time for truth.

Partner says, you hog the sports page in the morning paper. Spouse says, but you won't lick my pussy like I want.
 
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Why surprised by my approach? I just prefer to deal with what we have from the game, not taking things from elsewhere and assuming they relate to the game even when the dev has told us outright that they do not. I must have missed where the dev explained those legs were Hutch's, please can you direct me to that?

But it's in the game (engine) even though the dev says it's not there. Just like he said certain images wouldn't be in the game - and yet they were. This allows assumptions supported by concrete - there is an image. Which in turn gives a gateway to a more interesting discussion than whether Vi is a slut or not. I'm surprised by your attitude in general, because you seem to be okay with slutty themes, I, however, expect more from this story, as well as from the discussion of it.
 

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he shouldnt have to stop her. love, marriage,vows ,family should stop her.. all the reasons she says she is doing this for should stop her .. if hutch has to stop her then she isnt worth keeping..
Exactly on point. She didn't just cheat on him - she betrayed him and everything they've built for 22 years. There is nothing to go back to and nothing to rebuild after what she did to Hutch. First time, when Hutch sees them in the backyard - he's just crushed and stunned, so it could be why he simply didn’t react, as it already happened and nothing he did wouldn’t change it. Then the entire night - he might even try to rationalize that she's sacrificing for him and for his job. But when she lies to him after that night, and then after the bathroom scene, any man that would deceive himself that there is still hope for this marriage, would just simply know that it was betrayal - the worst possible one that shatters everything beyond repair, and there is nothing more to this marriage.
So yeah, there is nothing more for Hutch to fight for, so no more blame on his side at this point. When you lost (and Hutch already knows it after bathroom scene, and that's why he "opens" the marriage, because he doesn’t give a shit about his whore, backstabbing “wife”) - you have to collect all your marbles and move to another playground. It’s just a matter of time for a man to get to that conclusion... or give up and get a rope, or a gun depending on how you want to handle it...
 

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Exactly on point. She didn't just cheat on him - she betrayed him and everything they've built for 22 years.
That's the important point. People here (also Luc in not wanting to discuss "slutty topics") are reducing all that to sex and cheating in terms of fucking another dude. That can then be connnected to the banality of orgasm problems in the marriage. That totally misses the point of ch. 1. It's a human betrayal on the big scale, not just cheating. You could imagine an affiar of the woman which is also as every cheating a betrayal, but here it is THE OTHER WAY ROUND: It's a betrayal which also includes cheating.
 

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As we are analyzing this VN, I think we need to keep in mind, myself included, the MANY flaws of the characters make this story interesting. This includes loving to hate the characters or their actions. It is like watching a movie and yelling at the screen. That is why we analyzing the characters so much. We say to ourselves, "What the hell is wrong with these people!?" Despite all of this I am enjoying this game and this thread. I may need to take a break from the thread at some point, but right now I am having too much fun. Maybe that was what they were trying to warn us about.

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As we are analyzing this VN, I think we need to keep in mind, myself included, the MANY flaws of the characters make this story interesting. This includes loving to hate the characters or their actions. It is like watching a movie and yelling at the screen. That is why we analyzing the characters so much. We say to ourselves, "What the hell is wrong with these people!?" Despite all of this I am enjoying this game and this thread. I may need to take a break from the thread at some point, but right now I am having too much fun. Maybe that was what they were trying to warn us about.
I totally agree with this statement. I think this VN stirs so much emotions that it's hard to believe (at least for me, seeing other big titles in here). It's not only the story, but mostly the way this story is told. I don't know if there is any other VN here that can convey emotions like SC Stories can, not only with words but also with the screen magic?
 

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That's the important point. People here (also Luc in not wanting to discuss "slutty topics") are reducing all that to sex and cheating in terms of fucking another dude. That can then be connnected to the banality of orgasm problems in the marriage. That totally misses the point of ch. 1. It's a human betrayal on the big scale, not just cheating. You could imagine an affiar of the woman which is also as every cheating a betrayal, but here it is THE OTHER WAY ROUND: It's a betrayal which also includes cheating.
I do not see the point of grinding for the hundredth thousandth time on the topic - “Vi is a slut”, and only that. Yes, what she did in the second part (and especially at the end) seems with a move that closes all doors. And yet Hutch will not end the marriage. Why ? I know why wives do not end marriages in such situations (much more common). It already seems that Vi has crossed the acceptable boundaries - and here dev says that only in the third part Hutch will be put to the real test of endurance....



I think that when we learn the answer to why Hutch endures it - we will know the rules of the game.
 

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Yes but maybe what she expected was Hutch to behave with authority : "You're my wife, I'm your husband and I don't want you to do this !". It would maybe have leaded to nowhere, because part of her wanted to be with Christian, but who knows...
If he had said, stop ! Let's stop this madness! then she would have to define herself(superposition :) ). However, he does not do so at any point. You can see that he is not easy about it, however, something is holding him back. Blackmail ? Maybe he has another ulterior motive ? Maybe he is simply waiting for the “momentum” of the attack (on Chris). This seems to be the most interesting thing about Hutch. His lack of action, his motivation.
The one thing about the first three scenes is Hutch was very close to Vivian. She wasn't discreet. She didn't stop when he was around. He was there in flesh and he physically tried to stop her without success defense.jpg and before the backyard scene happened there was no hint of their relationship was not good. And even it were a façade Vivian maintained the modest perfect wife act for Hutch for 22 years. So at-least I think for Hutch it doesn't make any sense. He could've burst through the bedroom doors but then what? She went willingly with him knowing fully well what he is capable of while shutting down her husband, let him lock the door. She isn't feeling guilty for her sleeping around with Christian otherwise she would have stopped it. She is feeling guilty/remorseful cause her action is making pain for Hutch but mainly cause he isn't OK with her for sleeping around. She always want to HEAR HIM SAY IT that whatever she is doing is the right thing. Even when he opened the relationship he was so vogue. So what's eating her away is she can't go to him and say "I need to hear you say it" and Hutch would say "Yes honey you're doing the right thing sleeping around"
That's why at the moment, to me, he is the most unsympathetic character. Don't get me wrong, I feel empathy for him, because nobody deserves the humiliation and the treason he has to endure. But his lack of will, his lack of reaction,... I don't get it. I hope chap3 will bring some answers, because so far I don't understand him.
I get your point and mostly agree with you. But like her he is discovering/knowing her true self. He didn't know she had met him before in the morning office. So to him she dropped the pant to a total stranger just after meeting him for few minutes. Running away isn't an option, divorce doesn't make sense to him (however the dynamic was in their marriage it never hinted that it was bad). So other than let the bird fly and hope she would come back cause he don't know she was a slut before or slut at heart. He thinks she is a modest wife who was seduced/blackmailed. But the bird choose to fly far away to meet up with a snake and get eaten by it.
I would say, that it would be pointless for him to insist. The important thing is, does she really want to do it? And if she does, she will find a way. He continues to hope she will come back to him and come clean and stop fucking boss because she wants to, not because he tries to force her to. I think he is right, if she really wanted to stop fucking boss, she would find a way to do that, with his help if necessary.

From the beginning, she would have called to him for help from that first bedroom scene. Instead she enjoyed her 7 times immensely. The confusing thing for husband and us and her, is that she feels unable to let husband go. This is the crux of the story. Let's let SC tell it.
For once I agree and understand your point.
he shouldnt have to stop her. love, marriage,vows ,family should stop her.. all the reasons she says she is doing this for should stop her .. if hutch has to stop her then she isnt worth keeping..
yeah and she asked the question after confirming she is going, after she took tremendous amount of time & effort to get ready and even put a vulgar dress without bating an eye.
And their marriage dynamic showed that it's always her to makes the decision not him. He is not my favorite MC but till now I can't also hate him for his passiveness. Though I think ch3 may reveal something about him that will make us hate him at-least close to Vivian and Christian. I think that's why "My GF is a Blue collar worker" is one of my favorite VN where each character gets their fair share of consequences.
 

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I totally agree with this statement. I think this VN stirs so much emotions that it's hard to believe (at least for me, seeing other big titles in here). It's not only the story, but mostly the way this story is told. I don't know if there is any other VN here that can convey emotions like SC Stories can, not only with words but also with the screen magic?
The story telling and the graphics. Wife's confusion, husband's distress, boss's cunning.

That final sex scene at the end of chpt 2 is so classy, so intimate, not a bit fapper fodder.

So unlike the usual fare on f95.

Yes, I get the "what is wrong with you people?" response too. As SC says, it is a fantasy. I think it is the stereotypes that draw us in. Whore, wuss, magnetic big dick woman hustler. At some point, I suspect, SC is going to make this real for us and like he says, it probably won't be pretty.
 

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The one thing about the first three scenes is Hutch was very close to Vivian. She wasn't discreet. She didn't stop when he was around. He was there in flesh and he physically tried to stop her without success View attachment 4958778 and before the backyard scene happened there was no hint of their relationship was not good. And even it were a façade Vivian maintained the modest perfect wife act for Hutch for 22 years. So at-least I think for Hutch it doesn't make any sense. He could've burst through the bedroom doors but then what? She went willingly with him knowing fully well what he is capable of while shutting down her husband, let him lock the door. She isn't feeling guilty for her sleeping around with Christian otherwise she would have stopped it. She is feeling guilty/remorseful cause her action is making pain for Hutch but mainly cause he isn't OK with her for sleeping around. She always want to HEAR HIM SAY IT that whatever she is doing is the right thing. Even when he opened the relationship he was so vogue. So what's eating her away is she can't go to him and say "I need to hear you say it" and Hutch would say "Yes honey you're doing the right thing sleeping around"

I get your point and mostly agree with you. But like her he is discovering/knowing her true self. He didn't know she had met him before in the morning office. So to him she dropped the pant to a total stranger just after meeting him for few minutes. Running away isn't an option, divorce doesn't make sense to him (however the dynamic was in their marriage it never hinted that it was bad). So other than let the bird fly and hope she would come back cause he don't know she was a slut before or slut at heart. He thinks she is a modest wife who was seduced/blackmailed. But the bird choose to fly far away to meet up with a snake and get eaten by it.

For once I agree and understand your point.

yeah and she asked the question after confirming she is going, after she took tremendous amount of time & effort to get ready and even put a vulgar dress without bating an eye.
And their marriage dynamic showed that it's always her to makes the decision not him. He is not my favorite MC but till now I can't also hate him for his passiveness. Though I think ch3 may reveal something about him that will make us hate him at-least close to Vivian and Christian. I think that's why "My GF is a Blue collar worker" is one of my favorite VN where each character gets their fair share of consequences.
in the beginning she had purpose to do this, she thought she was helping her family and hutch would be fired.. now that she os slowly realizing hutch wasnt going to lose his job , she is trying to blame him for not stopping her.. i also blame him to some degree for being a pussy. but now that she knows its on her now and what she continues to do is for her own satisfaction and money . she knows the marriage is over . hence why she took the ring off. she wants to be single again. unfortunately she doesnt realize christian loves cucking hutch so when hutch is out of the picture his only use for her is prostituting to his clients to seal deals ..
 

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Why was Hutch so defensive about changing jobs ? in the first part he explained that there were no companies in the area where he could find employment - and there, as it were, the world presented looks like a small American town. In the second part, however, it turns out that just across the border we have a normal downtown with skyscrapers, restaurants, etc. etc. That is, a place where financial companies have their branches - not just two companies in the crosshairs.


However, maybe we are dealing with a game ? a bet ? note that it all looks like the Truman Show. All the background characters are like spectators. Everything in the world happens in a controlled environment. Tony will say - free assets, I will say, you could have done things differently here, because it looks like it all matters. In Garden Party we have all the characters who observer Vi in different situations.

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However, maybe we are dealing with a game ? a bet ? note that it all looks like the Truman Show. All the background characters are like spectators. Everything in the world happens in a controlled environment. Tony will say - free assets, I will say, you could have done things differently here, because it looks like it all matters. At the Garden Party we have all the characters observing Vi in different situations. The same is true in the bar and in the go-go club. It looks like the fun of a group of rich people who play with our couple (like movie Game, or WestWorld) or like, for example, a bet between Hutch and Chris - faithful wife ?

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If you look through all the situations with people in the background you will find that everything is repeated - they just look like an audience that is watching the situation unfold
 
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Don't think that was the reason but I also can't give you a good explanation why I think that. Does it makes sense?
hutch just wants everything to go back to normal like nothing ever happened, he doesnt have the balls to deal with it ... yet , so he was hoping in my opinion the slut pig of a wife would say no to the dinner .. like it was a bad dream. but he comes home an realizes the dream is now a nightmare and he is losing his wife for real as she is ready to go to dinner with christian . at least the slut pig of a wife cooked him dinner lol she really care so much about hutch . that was so sweet lol . i would have taken a big steamy shit on the dinner an left it on the table lol thats probably why im single now .
 
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