VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Luc77]

SC is not a snowflake. That his story will not appeal to a certain group of people is normal - given the average age. This is a story you need to understand and not just watch. To understand you need experience. Noah, actually, I don't really understand what you want to convey

 

[noahsombrero]

SC is not a snowflake. That his story will not appeal to a certain group of people is normal - given the average age. This is a story you need to understand and not just watch. To understand you need experience. Noah, actually, I don't really understand what you want to convey

Was I not clear?

This is a story you need to understand. As you say. Are you perhaps noticing a little lack of understanding around here?

The truth is, most dev's know better than to ask us if they should continue. Hey, SC, go ask your wife. Really. Or somebody whose judgment you can trust. Not us who might lack a little in the experience department.

 

[Luc77]

Was I not clear?

This is a story you need to understand. As you say. Are you perhaps noticing a little lack of understanding around here?

You, in general, rarely express yourself clearly
I understand what you write but I don't understand what you want to say (often)


I think we should not fear that SC has abandoned the project.
On the other hand, however, perhaps it will slow down a lot.

 

[TonyMurray]

The truth is, most dev's know better than to ask us if they should continue. Hey, SC, go ask your wife. Really. Or somebody whose judgment you can trust. Not us who might lack a little in the experience department.

Did he ask us if he should continue? I must have missed that...

 

[noahsombrero]

You, in general, rarely express yourself clearly
I understand what you write but I don't understand what you want to say (often)

Good thing then that I am not looking for encouragement to continue. Don't look for a deeper message, what I want to say is right there up front.

"SC is not a snowflake". Indeed. I certainly did not think he was. I have not asked him for different content than he has offered.

"That his story will not appeal to a certain group of people is normal - given the average age."

Ok, does 80 years on this planet qualify?

I think we should not fear that SC has abandoned the project.
On the other hand, however, perhaps it will slow down a lot.

Could be that will be his compromise with himself. He will continue but not with the enthusiasm he would have otherwise.
I hope you are right. I want to know what happens next.

 

[noahsombrero]

Did he ask us if he should continue? I must have missed that...

Developer notes:

"If you wish to support me, leave a positive comment in the forum. This will help keep me motivated to continue the project. Thank you."

He says he needs help being motivated to continue. A clear request I think.

 

[Luc77]

I'm not sure if the average age on this forum is over 20 . the only thing that gives hope is that this is still a regular forum on an old engine

Developer notes:

"If you wish to support me, leave a positive comment in the forum. This will help keep me motivated to continue the project. Thank you."

He says he needs help being motivated to continue. A clear request I think.

That's exactly the point

 

[TonyMurray]

Developer notes:

"If you wish to support me, leave a positive comment in the forum. This will help keep me motivated to continue the project. Thank you."

He says he needs help being motivated to continue. A clear request I think.

No, that does not mean that he's asking us if he should continue or not. It also doesn't say that he needs help being motivated to continue. It just means, like he's said in several posts, that he doesn't have Patreon (or similar), so if you want to support him, show your support in the comments section instead. Positive reinforcement is motivating, but it doesn't mean that he needs positive reinforcement to be motivated.

 

[noahsombrero]

No, that does not mean that he's asking us if he should continue or not. It also doesn't say that he needs help being motivated to continue. It just means, like he's said in several posts, that he doesn't have Patreon (or similar), so if you want to support him, show your support in the comments section instead. Positive reinforcement is motivating, but it doesn't mean that he needs positive reinforcement to be motivated.

Which would be your opinion. It is also true that artists starting out need encouragement. I don't expect that he would explicitly say he needs that. I do hope that he has asked people whose judgment he can trust. And that he was simply being nice to us complete with a Thank You, as you suggest.

I don't think I have ever before seen a dev thank his players for their opinions. He really is kind of a nice guy, snowflake or not.

 

[Dealbreaker]

The problem is never normal criticism. And he got hundreds of positive statements in the forum. The problem could rather be sentences like these:

I confess that, at the end of chapter 1, where Wife joins Boss in the bedroom and they proceed with audible sex was ugly beyond my tastes, because Husband was sitting outside listening. I was tempted to not watch more. But I ended up thinking that SC had a deeper intent than to simply show ugliness. He has something to say. I want to hear him say that. I trust him to not abuse my sensibilities with gratuitous corruption of women.

This is maximal moral pressure, even similar to a kind of blackmail: if you don't respect my peculiar moral sensibilities and interpretation of the game, I will quit watching. This has nothing to do with the craft of the storyteller but solely with the emotions and the possible fragility of the viewer (which is completely subjective) - there is even the word "abuse" of the viewer. It's a massive request which measures a text or game according to your own set of moral expectations and values, its, frankly, entitlement (which one sees everywhere around here). It's not only: I want a good game, but: I want a game with (accroding to me) good people in it.


(I don't know at the moment who wrote these sentences, but could have been someone with a Sombrero on top....)

 

[noahsombrero]

The problem is never normal criticism. And he got hundreds of positive statements in the forum. The problem could rather be sentences like these:

This is maximal moral pressure, even similar to a kind of blackmail: if you don't respect my peculiar moral sensibilities and interpretation of the game, I will quit watching. This has nothing to do with the craft of the storyteller but solely with the emotions and the possible fragility of the viewer (which is completely subjective). It's a massive request which measures a text or game according to your own set of moral expectations and values, its, frankly, entitlement (which one sees everywhere around here). It's not only: I want a good game, but: I want a game with (accroding to me) good people in it.

(I don't know at the moment who wrote these sentences, but could have been someone with a Sombrero on top....)

What I said is nothing like other stuff I have seen here. I took responsibility for my own reaction and said I am sure that he has something deeper to say. I can say that because I have seen it in part two. A lot of others here did not see that in part two, said it was disappointing bad stuff, etc. I think that difference would be clear to him, if not to you.

 

[Dealbreaker]

What I said is nothing like other stuff I have seen here. I took responsibility for my own reaction and said I am sure that he has something deeper to say. I can say that because I have seen it in part two. A lot of others here did not see that in part two, said it was disappointing bad stuff, etc. I think that difference would be clear to him, if not to you.

That misses my point, I'm afraid.

 

[noahsombrero]

That misses my point, I'm afraid.

Sorry for my lack of understanding. What exactly was your point?

 

[TonyMurray]

Which would be your opinion. It is also true that artists starting out need encouragement. I don't expect that he would explicitly say he needs that. I do hope that he has asked people whose judgment he can trust. And he was simply being nice to us complete with a Thank You, as you suggest.

I don't think I have ever before seen a dev thank his players for their opinions. He really is kind of a nice guy, snowflake or not.

It's just general reading comprehension, and is backed up by the number of times I've seen the dev echo the sentiment in posts and profile replies. Of course, you saying that it means he is asking for positive comments if he's going to continue the project is just your opinion, which you have been repeating (in a variety of wordings) for days now.

 

[noahsombrero]

if you don't respect my peculiar moral sensibilities and interpretation of the game, I will quit watching.

This is exactly what I have not said, but others have, if this or that happens or does not happen.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Sorry for my lack of understanding. What exactly was your point?

Just compare youre sentence: "I trust him to not abuse my sensibilities with gratuitous corruption of women" (combined with the fact that you make your further watching conditional on that) with what we have allread here: "Vivian is a hoe and I don't like that". You want your sensibilities respected by the author or else you would feel abused by him, the others state their disappointment with a character.

 

[noahsombrero]

It's just general reading comprehension, and is backed up by the number of times I've seen the dev echo the sentiment in posts and profile replies. Of course, you saying that it means he is asking for positive comments if he's going to continue the project is just your opinion, which you have been repeating (in a variety of wordings) for days now.

Yes, reading comprehension.

But I have granted, did you notice?, that you might be right and I hope he has asked other people whose judgment he can trust.

True, I repeat things. In response to others who also repeat their opinions. Which would even be you. In fact, at one point, you were exasperated enough with me to say you would not respond further.

As for me, I never block anybody, always respond if I have something to say. To anybody. I don't get exasperated, I try again.

 

[noahsombrero]

Just compare youre sentence: "I trust him to not abuse my sensibilities with gratuitous corruption of women" (combined with the fact that you make your further watching conditional on that)

Read more carefully. I did not say that. But many others have. Explicitly.

with what we have allread here: "Vivian is a hoe and I don't like that". You want your sensibilities respected by the author or else you would feel abused by him, the others state their disappointment with a character.

An equal comparison would be to those who seem to want to force their perception on me that "Wife is a whore". Except that I choose to not read it that way. I choose to respond with why I don't think so, and if you read carefully you might notice that it has nothing to do with my sensibilities. I know what a whore is and I have a sense of how they deserve to be treated, as for instance, the poet ee cummings describes. Go read him. But Wife is not a whore, so I will say every time you read me on that particular issue. And women do not become whores because they love sex. I say, most women do, but are a little more careful than men about whom they do it with. More of my opinions gained after living longer than the law allows.

It is true that we have had a sort of combat here over the whore issue. Fair enough I say, as long as I can have my say too.

I would admit that Wife finds herself with an urge towards promiscuity that she did not feel before part 2. So far she has not acted upon that. I bet she will not. I suspect she thinks her life is already way too complicated, since she is an intelligent woman who does have the sense to talk to Sunshine about how she feels about herself and what she is doing right now.

Even so, I don't have anything against promiscuity. It is simply how some people, men and women, are without being whores or gigilos.

 

[noahsombrero]

I'm not sure if the average age on this forum is over 20 . the only thing that gives hope is that this is still a regular forum on an old engine



That's exactly the point

It is interesting to me that when Luc agrees with me in posts like this, you guys do not argue with him about it. yizzat?

 

[packard1928]

Gents... As I read thought his I see we all have difference of opinion. Tat OK. Currently the story is developing so we all see what may be coming in a different plot. I think we will all know where SC is taking this more when chapter 3 is out. until then we all can call it as we see it.. Is she a whore... is she not... Is Hutch a spineless jellyfish... is he not just plotting his time ?
It is all in the air and that is what makes this a special story.. We do not know .. it is all a guess and that is how the Dev wants it ! good Job SC !