VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[noahsombrero]

Fuck sake... how do you get from boss dumping Vivian to her becoming a pole dancer/Street hooker? You're as bad as Stanford with wild reaching there.

Because Boss would not do that until Wife/Husband have split, understanding him to be the rotten ass that he is. Then what happens to Wife? She cannot support herself as a substitute teacher. So, leaning on some pics that SC has provided us, one might suspect such a development. Not that I claim any certainty for that, it is simply a wondering.

I would think that a person with a master's degree would be able to come up with something. Do we see that in the clips from the future he has provided us?

 

[noahsombrero]

Sorry, but that's a collection of absurd opinions:
1. it's not a simple story at all but starting with a moment of absolutely unusual behavior and therefore building up a problem which has to be solved.
2. She has nowhere to go. What should this mean walking away?
3. If she has still hope or not is not the story at all - the dev himself said he is not interested so much in the character of the wife, but in Hutch.
4. Who the hell says what we need to know or not? Again, it's not Vivian's "journey", that's not the format of the story. It's a couples story under pressure of the boss. So that's a wrong framing.
5. Enjoying a story means for a lot of people thinking about it. Characters have motives. A story is never only the "now", that's what makes it a story, that the now is connected to past and future, and how this connection works defines the quality of the story. It's not an addition of moments.

Hmm, I find myself saying thanks for that. How did I do that?

 

[Lagunavii]

Sorry, but that's a collection of absurd opinions:
1. it's not a simple story at all but starting with a moment of absolutely unusual behavior and therefore building up a problem which has to be solved.
2. She has nowhere to go. What should this mean walking away?
3. If she has still hope or not is not the story at all - the dev himself said he is not interested so much in the character of the wife, but in Hutch.
4. Who the hell says what we need to know or not? Again, it's not Vivian's "journey", that's not the format of the story. It's a couples story under pressure of the boss. So that's a wrong framing.
5. Enjoying a story means for a lot of people thinking about it. Characters have motives. A story is never only the "now", that's what makes it a story, that the now is connected to past and future, and how this connection works defines the quality of the story. It's not an addition of moments.

And your opinions were not as equally absurd?

1. It is actually simple - the only overcomplications come from the endless speculations that come from this forum. At its core, it is the story of a wife having an affair with her husband's boss and the fallout thereafter.
2. Does she need somewhere to go? Ive known plenty of marriages and relationships break down with one person walking away despite not having somehwere to go? Still, the last time we seen Vivian in bed with Christian, shed pretty much just declared herself as his, she could go to him. But still, that would be story over.
3. Nowhere has the dev said he is not interested in the character of Vivian - in fact, chapter two was specifically focused on Vivian - she's the possessive "my" mentioned in the title, of course, she's fucking important.
4 The writer pretty much says what we need to know or not, for example, if he felt the "tramp stamp" tattoo was important enough to get history, it would have gotten more than we got. It's definitely not a wrong framing. Vivian is the centre piece of this story, its not My wife's affair with my boss, it's not my affair with my employee's wife. It's My Husband's boss - while there are three titular characters Its vivians thing, not Hutches thing, Not christians thing.... and yes, while there is focus on the couples. it doesnt mean Vivian doesnt get a journey.
5. I can get behind this a little - I like history too. it helps build lore and allows me more depth into the story. But we don't always need it. Some stories are just as strong without it. - Esp when people are overthinking things, pulling theories and things out of thin air. That won't lead to enjoyment; it will lead to disappointment

 

[noahsombrero]

And your opinions were not as equally absurd?
2. Does she need somewhere to go? Ive known plenty of marriages and relationships break down with one person walking away despite not having somehwere to go? Still, the last time we seen Vivian in bed with Christian, shed pretty much just declared herself as his, she could go to him. But still, that would be story over.

The somewhere to go thing needs to be seen in light of the pic SC left us with Boss's hand on her very angry chin. This is where a person might imagine a break with Boss, and if that happened after break with Husband, where is she? My suspicion is that Boss's homewrecker game is not finished until the husband and wife actually spit. At that point, if ever, he is going to kiss her goodby. If ever.

What do the pic's SC has left us show? Do they show a capable woman with a master's degree finding new decent employment or not?

ln the end all of our opinions are equally absurd. Only SC knows.

 

[Dealbreaker]

1. It is actually simple - the only overcomplications come from the endless speculations that come from this forum. At its core, it is the story of a wife having an affair with her husband's boss and the fallout thereafter.
2. Does she need somewhere to go? Ive known plenty of marriages and relationships break down with one person walking away despite not having somehwere to go? Still, the last time we seen Vivian in bed with Christian, shed pretty much just declared herself as his, she could go to him. But still, that would be story over.
3. Nowhere has the dev said he is not interested in the character of Vivian - in fact, chapter two was specifically focused on Vivian - she's the possessive "my" mentioned in the title, of course, she's fucking important.
4 The writer pretty much says what we need to know or not, for example, if he felt the "tramp stamp" tattoo was important enough to get history, it would have gotten more than we got. It's definitely not a wrong framing. Vivian is the centre piece of this story, its not My wife's affair with my boss, it's not my affair with my employee's wife. It's My Husband's boss - while there are three titular characters Its vivians thing, not Hutches thing, Not christians thing.... and yes, while there is focus on the couples. it doesnt mean Vivian doesnt get a journey.
5. I can get behind this a little - I like history too. it helps build lore and allows me more depth into the story. But we don't always need it. Some stories are just as strong without it. - Esp when people are overthinking things, pulling theories and things out of thin air. That won't lead to enjoyment; it will lead to disappointment

1. and 2. is a misconception which came only after ch 2 here in the forum, not before: they don't have a classical affair. It's a blackmail scheme of the boss, it's not a love affair. She gets addicted. This is a big difference. It's the distruction of a marriage and the relation between boss and wife is asymmetrical. The thing doesn't start with her wish to start an affair, leave the marriage or even have better sex. Now she sits in a trap. Again: your interpretation buys into this bored housewife narrative which totally ignores how the story starts and what its peculiarity is.
3. Of course he did. Here in the thread. He said he is more interested in Hutch he is the more complex character and more interesting for him as a writer.
4. I'm not interested in the tatoos.
The whole logic of the story is clearly psychologically centred on Hutch even if it is technically a story of three. In no way it's her journey or is she the central character. What I mean with logic is: what the audience gets hooked on what it gets invested in and what it is asking, with whom it is "suffering". And this is Hutch. People immediately asked: what would I do in his place. They didn'T ask: what would I do in her place. People now think about Hutches revenge. Nobody is invested in Vivian in this sense, maybe a few. The story is about how to deal and cope with this event in ch 1 and the consequences. She is the problem he has to find a solution. This is what makes the story special: how do you deal with that as a husband. Vivian gets it all going and gives impulses and creates the problem (reacting to the boss), but what is interesting is the answer, the reaction of the husband and the dynamics of the couple. You could see this differently of course and be interested in Vivian more, but the story works this way I'm convinced.
5. I never was interested in theories and in speculations what comes next (here I agree with you that it's too much). I'm interested in interpretations and motives.

I don't write this in order to combattive really, but I think these are important and interesting questions overall about the character of the story.

 

[Lagunavii]

No, People

1. and 2. is a misconception which came only after ch 2 here in the forum, not before: they don't have a classical affair. It's a blackmail scheme of the boss, it's not a love affair. She gets addicted. This is a big difference. It's the distruction of a marriage and the relation between boss and wife is asymmetrical. The thing doesn't start with her wish to start an affair, leave the marriage or even have better sex. Now she sits in a trap. Again: your interpretation buys into this bored housewife narrative which totally ignores how the story starts and what its peculiarity is.
3. Of course he did. Here in the thread. He said he is more interested in Hutch he is the more complex character and more interesting for him as a writer.
4. I'm not interested in the tatoos.
The whole logic of the story is clearly psychologically centred on Hutch even if it is technically a story of three. In no way it's her journey or is she the central character. What I mean with logic is: what the audience gets hooked on what it gets invested in and what it is asking, with whom it is "suffering". And this is Hutch. People immediately asked: what would I do in his place. They didn'T ask: what would I do in her place. People now think about Hutches revenge. Nobody is invested in Vivian in this sense, maybe a few. The story is about how to deal and cope with this event in ch 1 and the consequences. She is the problem he has to find a solution. This is what makes the story special: how do you deal with that as a husband. Vivian gets it all going and gives impulses and creates the problem (reacting to the boss), but what is interesting is the answer, the reaction of the husband and the dynamics of the couple.
5. I never was interested in theories and in speculations what comes next. I'm interested in interpretations and motives.

1+2 No people were still giving wild theories way back when chapter 1 was still around. I remember specifically bowing out of the thread because it got ridiculous, it got turned up to 11 once chapter 2 dropped, and again, I bowed out of the thread. Its not blackmail by the way, its extortion. But it's still relatively simple when you break it down - there are loads of affairs on soap operas that start in the same way, - Boss sees girl, boss wants girls, boss gets girl - Im not ignoring anything, ultimately Vivan did the wrong thing for the right reasons. She slept with someone outside of the marriage to save her husband's job. It's pretty simple - my interpretation is based on what is presented in chapter 2 with Sunshine as I quoted the text from the file way back when - the affair didn't need to continue, everything in chapter 2 was Vivian (but of course it did for the story to continue), the why comes in that conversation again simple her mom told her a man wouldn't marry a wild woman - so when she met hutch she changed - that one night with christian brought out some desires in her... its there in thwe game, you dont have to look hard

3. Well I'll have to take your word on that because the only thing I can remotely find that comes close to what you are describing is this

The Bad:
While Chapter 2 is a good chapter on it's own, it's all about Vivian. Her story needed to be told but Chapter 3 is what I'm excited about, and I think it's really the content most of you are interested in. If you're interested in how Hutch develops over time with his newly opened marriage, stay tuned. Like Ch1 and Ch2, it will end with an emotional cliffhanger. It will likely be around the same size as Ch2, and while I have about 1k images already done, I can't continue the production speed I did with Ch2. I have other shit in my life I'm neglecting and I want to give the chapter the time and effort it deserves. So I will not give a time line for Ch3 other than to say, it's ready when it's ready. This is just a hobby after all. I aim to provide monthly updates and occasional teasers just to let everyone know the game isn't abandoned.

And he didnt say what you are describing.

4. Ive never claimed that Hutch won't have a journey either. But his getting one does not negate the fact that Vivan gets one too - now it maybe once chapter 3 comes and we see a bit more of Hutch his journey might take a bit more presence than Vivan's - they may converge a lot more and go ona journey together, they may separate further and walk different paths, but regardless the journey hutch is going on is all being driven by vivian. She's central.

5. For now the motives are there on day 10 in the bar scene with Sunshine. You can interpret them how you want, but it seems pretty clear to me

 

[DarkArchon]

I am looking forward to the next chapter and how it focuses on Hutch. Like others, I hope we get more from him than just sitting around passively and in defeat. I hate Christian, greatly dislike Vivian, and get furious with Hutch, but pity him too. IHATESlowburnBluBallgames (had to edit cause I got the poster wrong) already posted this gif, and I even commented on it, but this is how I feel about Hutch at this point.



I wish someone would do the above to Hutch. I doubt it will happen in chapter 3, and maybe it won't happen in the whole visual novel, but I would celebrate if it did! He could definitely benefit from someone slapping some sense into him!

 

[noahsombrero]

1. and 2. is a misconception which came only after ch 2 here in the forum, not before: they don't have a classical affair. It's a blackmail scheme of the boss, it's not a love affair. She gets addicted. This is a big difference. It's the distruction of a marriage and the relation between boss and wife is asymmetrical. The thing doesn't start with her wish to start an affair, leave the marriage or even have better sex. Now she sits in a trap. Again: your interpretation buys into this bored housewife narrative which totally ignores how the story starts and what its peculiarity is.

Agreed. Good points. But I don't think she sees herself as in a trap.

The whole logic of the story is clearly psychologically centred on Hutch even if it is technically a story of three. In no way it's her journey or is she the central character. What I mean with logic is: what the audience gets hooked on what it gets invested in and what it is asking, with whom it is "suffering". And this is Hutch. People immediately asked: what would I do in his place. They didn'T ask: what would I do in her place. People now think about Hutches revenge. Nobody is invested in Vivian in this sense, maybe a few. The story is about how to deal and cope with this event in ch 1 and the consequences. She is the problem he has to find a solution.

Indeed she does.

This is what makes the story special: how do you deal with that as a husband. Vivian gets it all going and gives impulses and creates the problem (reacting to the boss), but what is interesting is the answer, the reaction of the husband and the dynamics of the couple. You could see this differently of course and be interested in Vivian more, but the story works this way I'm convinced.
5. I never was interested in theories and in speculations what comes next (here I agree with you that it's too much). I'm interested in interpretations and motives.

And possible resolutions and consequences that come from interpretations and motives.

 

[noahsombrero]

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I wish someone would do the above to Hutch. I doubt it will happen in chapter 3, and maybe it won't happen in the whole visual novel, but I would celebrate if it did! He could definitely benefit from someone slapping some sense into him!

You judge him in terms of what you would do. Husband is thinking, if she is really willing to fuck this guy, nothing I can do will prevent it. But, if she is unwilling, Husband is ready to step up as he was in the bathroom scene. He could charge into that bedroom scene and beat Boss up, beat them both up, shoot one or the other or both, scream and yell, push people around, none of which will get him any real satisfaction. He knows that. So, if that is really what she wants, let her go. It is true, hardly anybody would be so rational at a time like that, but rational is not the same as wuss.

I think the pic that SC gives up of him sitting in a pole dance scene with an empty bottle of hard liquor (ok maybe wine), still looking like he is a broken man, is the frame of mind that SC wants to suggest for chpt 3. 4 might be something different. I think speculation without taking those pics into account is more useless than most speculations.

 

[bobjones1557]

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Oi lads, is that Vivian in the background?

Where is this scene from? I dont remember it

 

[noahsombrero]

Where is this scene from? I dont remember it

Yes there has been some discussion of that here lately. My post above this one mentions it as a matter of fact. Is that Wife in the background? The consensus seems to be that the image is not clear enough to be sure. My opinion is that her obvious interest in him suggests it is her. Why else would SC show us this image?

 

[packard1928]

Yes there has been some discussion of that here lately. My post above this one mentions it as a matter of fact. Is that Wife in the background? The consensus seems to be that the image is not clear enough to be sure. My opinion is that her obvious interest in him suggests it is her. Why else would SC show us this image?

whatever it is ... is in chapter three

 

[Adhdclassic]

I don't believe its her in the background. I think while they were on the trip Christian took him to a strip club. Especially if this is Ch3 and it focuses on Hutch. Just my opinion.

 

[noahsombrero]

I don't believe its her in the background. I think while they were on the trip Christian took him to a strip club. Especially if this is Ch3 and it focuses on Hutch. Just my opinion.

I suspect that, if this were that event, Husband would not be sitting there by himself drinking himself into a stupor.

 

[packard1928]

I don't believe its her in the background. I think while they were on the trip Christian took him to a strip club. Especially if this is Ch3 and it focuses on Hutch. Just my opinion.

We don't know that for sure. Some say it is when he disappeared in chapter 1.

 

[packard1928]

I suspect that, if this were that event, Husband would not be sitting there by himself drinking himself into a stupor.

Agreed.. but the other peview pic in the strip club has him seeing someone... The look is like he knows them.

 

[noahsombrero]

Agreed.. but the other peview pic in the strip club has him seeing someone... The look is like he knows them.

I guess I haven't seen that one. If it were chpt 1, it is very unlikely to be Wife in the background. This pic has been around for a while. But shouldn't we see these pics at some point in the game? SC did say we would see everything we hadn't seen before in chpt 3, the guy with the cig, the purple dress, etc.

 

[Guszti242]

Nem biztos, hogy ez a rúdtáncos jelenet a 3. részben lesz. Lehet, hogy a 4-5. fejezetben. SC Stori már megosztotta ezt a képet az 1. fejezet végén, és a 2. fejezetben nem volt benne. Szerintem ez a jelenet az 5. fejezetben lesz, amikor Hutch beszélget valakivel a bárban, és várja, hogy rá kerüljön a sor, vagy akár egy randi is lehet. A 3. fejezet végén vagy Hutch hagyja el Vivient, vagy Vivien hagyja el Hutchot Christian miatt, és Vivien Christianhoz költözik, de csak rövid időre, mert Christian elhagyja egy másik párért. És így lett Vivien rúdtáncos és prostituált, nincs más választása, mint túlélni. Nem mehet vissza Hutchhoz, a válás folyamatban van, de a válás még nem végleges. A képen Hutch nem úgy néz ki, mintha halkan hallgatna, hanem inkább úgy, mintha érdeklődve figyelne valakit, miközben iszik. Hutch még nem vette észre Vivient, mert háttal ül neki, de Vivien észrevette őt, és reménykedő arccal néz Hutchra. A kérdés csak az, hogy találkoznak-e a bárban és kibékülnek-e vagy sem.

 

[noahsombrero]

Nem biztos, hogy ez a rúdtáncos jelenet a 3. részben lesz. Lehet, hogy a 4-5. fejezetben. SC Stori már megosztotta ezt a képet az 1. fejezet végén, és a 2. fejezetben nem volt benne. Szerintem ez a jelenet az 5. fejezetben lesz, amikor Hutch beszélget valakivel a bárban, és várja, hogy rá kerüljön a sor, vagy akár egy randi is lehet. A 3. fejezet végén vagy Hutch hagyja el Vivient, vagy Vivien hagyja el Hutchot Christian miatt, és Vivien Christianhoz költözik, de csak rövid időre, mert Christian elhagyja egy másik párért. És így lett Vivien rúdtáncos és prostituált, nincs más választása, mint túlélni. Nem mehet vissza Hutchhoz, a válás folyamatban van, de a válás még nem végleges. A képen Hutch nem úgy néz ki, mintha halkan hallgatna, hanem inkább úgy, mintha érdeklődve figyelne valakit, miközben iszik. Hutch még nem vette észre Vivient, mert háttal ül neki, de Vivien észrevette őt, és reménykedő arccal néz Hutchra. A kérdés csak az, hogy találkoznak-e a bárban és kibékülnek-e vagy sem.

I don't speak Hungarian, but google says you might be seeing more in the story than we have been shown. At least somebody might accuse you of that.

You say:

She can't go back to Hutch, the divorce is in progress, but the divorce isn't final yet. In the picture, Hutch doesn't look like he's quietly listening, but more like he's watching someone with interest while drinking.

She could go back. Even after divorce people can sometimes work things out and get married again. If the feeling was ever there, it is likely still there, if they can only resolve their differences.

I'd say he is bored out of his mind. But his troubles don't seem to be weighing on his as much as in the past. If somebody is there, he is not interacting with them. Perhaps there is another pole dancer over that way that he is watching.

Hutch hasn't noticed Vivien yet because she's sitting with her back to him, but Vivien has noticed him and is looking at Hutch with a hopeful face. The only question is whether or not they'll meet at the bar and make up.

For that to happen she simply must get down from that pole and go talk to him. First words out of her mouth is that she has learned what Boss is worth as a man. Zero. Many women know that on sight. Others fuck them first chance they get. And then she must say how much she misses him, etc. Come home with me, my husband. He might accept that, but if he does he will need to have stern terms of reconciliation, in my opinion. Wife does not get back in on the cheap.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I suspect that, if this were that event, Husband would not be sitting there by himself drinking himself into a stupor.

He doesn't look like he is in a stupor he looks disinterested, like he doesn't want to be there.