VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[noahsombrero]

She's not horrible because she cheats, she's horrible because of how she absolutely revels in humiliating her kind husband but still has the audacity to think that she's a virtuous person.

I do not see her reveling in anything. I see her as she explains herself to Sunshine, confused by what she finds herself doing, unable to reconcile opposing feelings and wishes. And as she says more than once, she hates herself.

I have no idea where you get the impression that she thinks she is a virtuous person.

But again, to understand this story, you need to take all of it, every single bit into consideration, not simply the parts that uphold a view you want to present.

 

[noahsombrero]

Are you stupid? You wrote "original statement" - meaning the statement you reacted to. That wasn't mine. You reacted to Sombrero. I reacted to your reaction. Such stupidity makes me angry. Just say you made an error.

Actually Smut quoted DarkArcheron, not you or me.

 

[Senor Smut]

Thanks for you intelligent reply.

Understood.

On the lowest level we have this:
The continual refusal to see any redeeming characters in Wife at all, to mock her and wish to see her degraded. The comparison f95 gives us is to harem porn where guys collect all various fuck buddies with impunity. I get it, this is pornland. But the comparison is jarring. Wife is despicable and harem masters are not. Are there any ntr games where a man cheats on a wife or girlfriend and suffers degradation from players as a consequence? Does anybody bother to hate such men images on their monitor? In this game, SC gives players no choice where most other porn games do allow players to not see certain things. SC does say much will be explained later. Right now we know that, chpt 3 & 2 were really meant to be combined so Husband would not appear such a wuss and Wife such a slut, one assumes. We really don't know do we? But still we get the ranters, on and on, hoping to see Wife say classical cheating wife things, etc. What SC has in mind seems to make no impression on many players. They simply must have their jollies.

Upper levels look more like this:

The difference is, in almost all harem games, the women are all into it. There are a ton of female protagonist games where women sleep with a thousand and one guys and they're all into it too. That's the direct comparison to male protagonist harem games, and the protagonists and their conquests are generally treated exactly the same regardless of gender.

Harem games, regardless of the gender of the protagonist, are simple wish-fulfillment fantasies that are almost always free of a moral dimension or examination of consequences. This game forces the player to examine the consequences of gleeful and heedless infidelity on a single relationship. A game focusing on a single relationship cannot be compared to a game where the protagonist is a male (or female) hoe because they're trying to do completely different things, just like a bicycle can't be compared to a jet plane in any meaningful way.

 

[noahsombrero]

This game forces the player to examine the consequences of gleeful and heedless infidelity on a single relationship. A game focusing on a single relationship cannot be compared to a game where the protagonist is a male (or female) hoe because they're trying to do completely different things, just like a bicycle can't be compared to a jet plane in any meaningful way.

Not gleeful or heedless. Watch the whole story, hear everything Wife says about herself. People who hate themselves are not gleeful. The are struggling.

There are players who refuse to believe a word she says. They forget that people are "complicated, messy creatures", and that when a struggling person comes in contact with a person who has some understanding and is willing to listen, the struggling person will very likely come clean with the hope that they will get some help, which is exactly what Wife did.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Actually Smut quoted DarkArcheron, not you or me.

True. In a chain of posts which originated in your post giving this male-to-female parody of the cheating spouse. So you see what you can cause...
Although:

• #11,315

was the post, quoting you.

 

[noahsombrero]

True. In a chain of posts which originated in your post giving this male-to-female parody of the cheating spouse. So you see what you can cause...

Actually originated with SlowBurn yesterday with his list of classic statements of cheating wives.

Doing my best to cause some understanding.

 

[Senor Smut]

Not gleeful or heedless. Watch the whole story, hear everything Wife says about herself. People who hate themselves are not gleeful. The are struggling.

There are players who refuse to believe a word she says. They forget that people are "complicated, messy creatures", and that when a struggling person comes in contact with a person who has some understanding and is willing to listen, the struggling person will very likely come clean with the hope that they will get some help, which is exactly what Wife did.

I read everything Vivian said and watched everything she did. I give very short shrift to anyone who says one thing and then rushes to do the opposite. Multiple times we see Vivian proclaim she won't cheat and then five seconds later she's eagerly cheating. When someone -- anyone -- engages in that level of hypocrisy and deceit, I despise them on principle. The fact is, if she didn't want to act the way she's acting again and again, she wouldn't act that way. If she didn't want her husband to know that she was fucking his boss, she wouldn't have spent the whole night LOUDLY FUCKING HIS BOSS IN THE NEXT ROOM. If she didn't want to keep humiliating her husband, she'd stop humiliating her husband. People can and do say any damned thing they feel like saying, but talk isn't cheap -- it's free. You know the worth of a person by their deeds, not their words.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Actually originated with SlowBurn yesterday with his list of classic statements of cheating wives.

He was on topic, you not. Anyway, I was not involved until this anecdote of righteousness came along.

 

[Senor Smut]

What I meant here (sometimes I see my limits as non-native speaker) is that how they react towards their friend afterwards shows in my opinion that they didn't have that much respect for him already before. If they had, they would have handled it differently after the fact. More to our general point of discussion here: you can't give women respect by simultaneously taking it away from men and especially your friend. If you do, you are taking sides just in order to prove that you are a virtuous ally and all to eager to be seen as standing on the good side. I wouldn't expect that from female friends of female cheaterrs either that they just distance themselves from their friends emotionally and just like that go over to the male victim. They should direct, give advice and influence them and if necessary, dependent on long term behavior, draw their conclusions.


Here we agree on everything. Regarding the discussion here about the game I'm totally prepared to talk about unfair male perceptions but I wouldn't search so much for double standards but for blind spots in that regard - maybe we don't take into account specific female needs enough be because we have different ones and maybe we react (I for sure) too irritated and harsh to female emotions we regard as irrational? This is a big part of how we see Vivian, I think. The problem could be equal standard, not double standard.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt because English is your second language and it's easy to miss nuance in another language. In my experience, anyone who accuses someone else of virtue signalling is a rotten person who objects to having their rottenness pointed out to them and dismisses the complaint as virtue signalling so they don't have to confront the fact that they're a sack of human waste. I will assume you aren't a sack of human waste, but rather chose an inelegant phrase.

When someone boasts to me about A) committing a crime, B) betraying the trust of a good person, and C) deliberately preying on another person's weakness or incapacity for their own ends, then that person is a sack of human waste regardless of whether or not they were my friend up until that point. I'm not going to squander my own time gently counseling the crap bucket about why their actions were wrong and hurtful because I'm not a counselor -- I'm just a person who has a limited amount of time on this Earth and doesn't want to spend any of it with people who enjoy hurting other people, regardless of gender. I have no idea what became of my ex-friend after his divorce, and I do hope he learned some real lessons and became a better person because of it, but that's the extent of my sympathy.

 

[Senor Smut]

He was on topic, you not. Anyway, I was not involved until this anecdote of righteousness came along.

Aaaand I take back the benefit of the doubt I gave you. If someone trying to do the right thing angers you, then the problem is always and incontrovertibly you.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Aaaand I take back the benefit of the doubt I gave you. If someone trying to do the right thing angers you, then the problem is always and incontrovertibly you.

You are calling other people "rotten" and "awful" and your aren't even capable of admitting a simple small error here in the forum. Of such a sort arer people constantly judging others morally (i.e. virtue signalling).

 

[noahsombrero]

I read everything Vivian said and watched everything she did. I give very short shrift to anyone who says one thing and then rushes to do the opposite. Multiple times we see Vivian proclaim she won't cheat and then five seconds later she's eagerly cheating. When someone -- anyone -- engages in that level of hypocrisy and deceit,

There's the difference, you see hypocrisy and deceit. I see a troubled person coming clean with someone who might help. It seems you want to expect these complicated, messy creatures to also be quite logical, disciplined and have themselves well put together.

 

[Senor Smut]

You are calling other people "rotten" and "awful" and your aren't even capable of admitting a simple small error here in the forum. Of such a sort arer people constantly judging others morally (i.e. virtue signalling).

I have literally no idea what "simple small error" you're talking about.

 

[SC Stories]

I need some help from the studio audience... EYEBALLS!

I don't have a very deep understanding of materials/shaders in Daz and use pretty much off the shelf stuff for this story. Default characters, though, tend to have shitty eye textures. They work fine, though, for distant shots and supplemental characters. But on the main characters who get frequent tight face renders, I use a secondary product to give fantastic eyes... with one major drawback. When they look off camera, the red banding is ugly and distracting.


This is the original texture file I use and the results are obviously less than optimal.




I have virtually zero PS skills but cobbled together something that is a slight improvement but still off putting.




Going even further looks cartoonish.


If anyone has some skills and would like to edit my texture file in hopes of making a more realistic eyeball please feel free. I'm attaching a small zip file with the texture files including one from another product that you might be able to blend with mine to create the realistic blood vessels. If anyone is interested you can talk with me/send files via direct message. I'm not offering money but I will give in game credit if I use your work.

Thanks. View attachment MHB Eye Textures.zip

Zip File View attachment MHB Eye Textures.zip

 

[Senor Smut]

[snip]
My suspicion is that she has not seen the "truth about herself". If she did see that, and recognize it as such, she would know what to do. SC tells us that her conflict is love of Husband vs need of sex from Boss, and Husband's conflict is love of Wife vs knowledge that she betrays him. But what does SC know? We are the judges here.

She is perfectly capable of dumping Husband or Boss as the case might be.

I think you're overly sanguine here. Since when does seeing the truth about yourself equate to knowing what to do? If that were the case, then all those self-help gurus would be flipping burgers at Five Guys (which, I would argue, is where almost all of them belong anyway). Truth, especially when it stands in contradiction to long-held beliefs, can be extremely difficult/impossible to accept even when proof is presented over and over and over again.

SC says that Vivian's conflict is love of husband vs. need of sex from his boss. Does her need of sex from his boss force her to fuck his boss all night where her husband would have been incapable of not hearing it? Does it force her to fuck him in the driveway of her own house when her husband is home? Does it force her to have sex with a random couple she literally just met? No, it does not. These are *choices*. If all she needed was sex from the boss, she could conduct a discreet affair with him and not have sex with randos; instead she continually chooses to humiliate her husband and to sleep with others. What SC says and what they present are different things...rather like Vivian herself.

 

[noahsombrero]

Truth, especially when it stands in contradiction to long-held beliefs, can be extremely difficult/impossible to accept even when proof is presented over and over and over again.

I did say see the truth, and recognize it as such.

SC says that Vivian's conflict is love of husband vs. need of sex from his boss. Does her need of sex from his boss force her to fuck his boss all night where her husband would have been incapable of not hearing it?

I would invite you to not argue with SC. Whatever we think is going to have nothing to do with how he continues this story.
Beyond that, SC does present us with a number of very unlikely scenarios, one of which is that Husband somehow manages to be nearby everytime Boss and Wife fuck. I would say that the characters are exaggerated, and the timeline is shrunk beyond believability. I think SC is suggesting that these are throwaway considerations, what matters in his mind is the story he is going to tell using these characters and this timeline. So listen carefully.

Does it force her to fuck him in the driveway of her own house when her husband is home? Does it force her to have sex with a random couple she literally just met? No, it does not. These are *choices*.

These choices come from her state of mind, which we might agree is not particularly rational right now. And they come from the story that SC wants to tell. I suspet he is very aware that his story would not make him much money on Patreon and Steam, but wants to tell it, so he gives it away for free on f95.

If all she needed was sex from the boss, she could conduct a discreet affair with him and not have sex with randos; instead she continually chooses to humiliate her husband and to sleep with others. What SC says and what they present are different things...rather like Vivian herself.

"What SC says and what they present are different things...rather like Vivian herself."
If that is what you think, I would invite you to not continue watching this story. Why ever would you waste your time?

 

[Senor Smut]

I would invite you to not argue with SC. Whatever we think is going to have nothing to do with how he continues this story.
Beyond that, SC does present us with a number of very unlikely scenarios, one of which is that Husband somehow manages to be nearby everytime Boss and Wife fuck. I would say that the characters are exaggerated, and the timeline is shrunk beyond believability. I think SC is suggesting that these are throwaway considerations, what matters in his mind is the story he is going to tell using these characters and this timeline. So listen carefully.

I'm not arguing with the dev.

And of course the dev will tell the story they want to tell. That's exactly how it should be. Devs who bend to audience opinion produce bad games. But you can't handwave away the dev's choices, either. The dev has chosen to present what they have presented on the timeline that they have chosen. Characters, actions, and timelines cannot be considered "throwaway considerations" -- if you throw those away, you have nothing left. So like it or not, everything presented in the game must be taken as a whole and considered as such. After all, it would have been almost zero effort to throw in a "Two weeks later" or "A month later," but SC didn't do that, which means they intend the story to be presented as it is, and intends Vivian to be presented as someone who takes the first chance presented to throw over her old life and go on a sex spree.

These choices come from her state of mind, which we might agree is not particularly rational right now. And they come from the story that SC wants to tell. I suspet he is very aware that his story would not make him much money on Patreon and Steam, but wants to tell it, so he gives it away for free on f95.

"What SC says and what they present are different things...rather like Vivian herself."
If that is what you think, I would invite you to not continue watching this story. Why ever would you waste your time?

What I said is in no way a slam on SC and is absolutely not questioning their morals or integrity or anything else. It means exactly what it says: the dev's statements are similar to Vivian's statements in that they are at odds with their actions. I'm not saying SC is a liar -- when you do anything creative, you don't tell the whole truth about it before the work is done and presented. That's not lying, it's not spoiling your own work. I generally don't tell people what I intend in my writing, and if I do, I cloak it in half-truths and deliberate double entendres because I want people to be surprised when they read it. SC is doing the same thing here, and more power to them.

 

[noahsombrero]

I'm not arguing with the dev.

Oh good. By throwaway, I meant that they are tools that SC uses to tell his story, but they are not significant indicator of where the story might go. The hammer does not foreshadow what might be done with it except pound.

the dev's statements are similar to Vivian's statements in that they are at odds with their actions.

That would be your perception of what being at odds would look like. Let's give SC his due. He is a smart guy. Probably a lot smarter than we are, otherwise he would catch trout on homemade lures for a hobby instead of creating a video game.

Taking a premise from what he says about Husband and Wife: they do in fact still love each other in spite of what she has done. No amount of player logic can take that away from them if SC says it is so. The other part of that is that Boss is a confirmed serial homewrecker. Not that he is simply a psychopath, or sex adict. Homewrecking is his game.

So the most likely outcome is at some point Boss will get tired of Wife and dump her. The susequent most likely outcome then is that Husband and Wife will reconcile as much as most players will groan to see it. That might not be until chpt 5, a year and a half from now.

Not that I am saying that must be so. It does seem likely though.

 

[dylan93]

Exactly right. I don't condemn everyone who cheats in a relationship because people are complicated, messy creatures, and when you put two of us together then nobody who's not in that particular relationship can really understand what it's like. In my former friend's case, he was always kind of a jackass who liked to shoot his mouth off -- we all liked him because he was funny (often unintentionally) and was fun to be around. His wife was (and is) a phenomenal human being whom we all admired for who she was, how she carried herself, and what she did. She was (and is) smarter than our ex-friend, funnier than our ex-friend, more responsible, kinder, more generous, harder-working, vastly better looking -- their relationship was really like a shitty sitcom setup where the wonderful woman is married to the horrible schlub. My ex-friend cheated with the babysitter (statutory rape, because she was a year underage, but he was never charged) and then bragged about it to us. We all told him off pretty hard, and the next day while we were trying to decide whether to tell his wife (the question was not whether we were willing, but whether she would believe us or welcome the information) the babysitter came clean to the wife. When the dust settled we were all still friends with the wife and none of us were even speaking to her ex-husband.

Now, with this game, Vivian is horrible. She's not horrible because she cheats, she's horrible because of how she absolutely revels in humiliating her kind husband but still has the audacity to think that she's a virtuous person. She claims she loves her husband when in fact she scorns him and doesn't care the least little bit about his feelings. She resists his bargain-basement-Ted-Bundy boss for a nanosecond and then gleefully throws herself into being his whore in a fashion guaranteed to break the spirit of her husband, who apparently has never done anything but love her. Her lust doesn't damn her, but her reaction to it does.

The boss is a standard-issue sociopath doing what standard-issue sociopaths do, but she's the one who makes the choice to hurl herself into his sociopathy at the first opportunity and revel in her cruelty to her husband. They're both awful human beings.

Because women are addicted to drama, most women need drama the way a junkie needs their next hit, they cant live without it, Vivian ( a traumatised woman) revels in it, the toxic unpredicable drama that she deliberately intitates within her marriage and situationship with Christian makes her feel alive, seen and wanted, because she is clearly a pyscotic nutter, likè most modern-day women.

Women love to date men with sociopathic or pyscopathic tendencies, these toxic 'Bad Boys' ( Christian) come loaded with bags of nasal inflating, dopamine excelerating drama. These Bad Boys take these entitled, deluded modern day air-heads on emotional rollcoaster rides that psychologically f&%k them up for the rest of their lives, and heres the kicker, women love it because they love the challenge of believing that they can "Change Him", as relationships for women are ultimately all about "Control", trying to control and mold their men into the many different versions of men that they secrectly fantasy about. Basically women treat their men like a toy, like the figure Ken from the barbie collection.

Vivian controls Hutch, she completely dominates him, dominates their marriage as a result shes grown bored ( because like most modern-day women shes a pyscotic drama addict) she bored of Hutch because he is weak and never had the backbone to lay down the law and set boundaries of what he was willing to accept and not accept within his marriage.

With Christian though, he is the opposite, lives and plays the game of life by his own rules as he feels no empty for people or the destruction that he creates in the thier lives much like Vivian, so in a twist of fate with Christian and Vivian, like has attracted like, bird's of a feather flock together, total chaos inbound

Christians lack of empty and inability to understand what he's doing enables him as a CEO to not tolerate any bullshit from anyone especially the women in his life and it's that lack of power and control over Christian that has his women, has Vivian completely addicted to him.

 

[noahsombrero]

Because women are addicted to drama, most women need drama the way a junkie needs their next hit, they cant live without it, Vivian ( a traumatised woman) revels in it, the toxic unpredicable drama that she deliberately intitates within her marriage and situationship with Christian makes her feel alive, seen and wanted, because she is clearly a pyscotic nutter, likè most modern-day women.

Women love to date men with sociopathic or pyscopathic tendencies, these toxic 'Bad Boys' ( Christian) come loaded with bags of nasal inflating, dopamine excelerating drama. These Bad Boys take these entitled, deluded modern day air-heads on emotional rollcoaster rides that psychologically f&%k them up for the rest of their lives, and heres the kicker, women love it because they love the challenge of believing that they can "Change Him", as relationships for women are ultimately all about "Control", trying to control and mold their men into the many different versions of men that they secrectly fantasy about. Basically women treat their men like a toy, like the figure Ken from the barbie collection.

Vivian controls Hutch, she completely dominates him, dominates their marriage as a result shes grown bored ( because like most modern-day women shes a pyscotic drama addict) she bored of Hutch because he is weak and never had the backbone to lay down the law and set boundaries of what he was willing to accept and not accept within his marriage.

With Christian though, he is the opposite, lives and plays the game of life by his own rules as he feels no empty for people or the destruction that he creates in the thier lives much like Vivian, so in a twist of fate with Christian and Vivian, like has attracted like, bird's of a feather flock together, total chaos inbound

Christians lack of empty and inability to understand what he's doing enables him as a CEO to not tolerate any bullshit from anyone especially the women in his life and it's that lack of power and control over Christian that has his women, has Vivian completely addicted to him.

Welcome to the land of totally unsympathetic views of women in general and Wife in particular.