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packard1928 That day, Hutch lost not one but two important clients,
Jensen and Berger,
some day before the boss warned him that he was asking too much money commissions and that the GSA was after Hutch's clients!
 
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One day, people will stop making things up to suit their argument when they post in this thread. Today is not that day. I don't know why some people say "This character said this" when no such thing was ever said, but it continues to happen, and it's usually the same people doing it.
 

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XD I never thought people will talk so philosophically about porn one day, you guys really paid more attention on this game than your lives.
 
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Until next time (party?) when he will do a sexual move or manipulate her, and she will fall again.
You mean you hope; why do you hope for this? Because you have no evidence for this expectation. The past is not necessarily a map of the future. People can wise up. People can change. Or not. Only SC knows right now.
They will fuck, she will enjoy, and then have her usual post sex tantrum. Rinse and repeat.
Never had a tantrum.
As other said, it's nothing complicated with her. She made a mistake (going to the office to "save her marriage"), but now she's enjoying her sex life from a selfish POV, even if it brought along a marriage crisis with her husband and an (almost) complete loss of self-esteem.
Loss of self esteem. More like confusion. She has been unsure of what she wants and why she is doing what she is doing, but at the end of chpt 2 is coming out of that.
After chapter 2 and what the dev said, I don't expect anything good coming from Vivian. It's just remain to be seen how deep she will fall.
What did SC say that suggests she must fall?
 

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One day, people will stop making things up to suit their argument when they post in this thread. Today is not that day. I don't know why some people say "This character said this" when no such thing was ever said, but it continues to happen, and it's usually the same people doing it.
SC writes it the way he wants it, we hear it the way we want it. I suspect this story much more significant to him than it is to us.
 

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XD I never thought people will talk so philosophically about porn one day, you guys really paid more attention on this game than your lives.
To each it's own. Personally I don't dive too deep into a story. I'm more interested in hot scenes. I hope that the next update has something similar to the first sex scene behind closed doors and her sneaking out in the middle of the night was really hot. That's why I have high hopes for the party. I also really liked the car bj scene, not so much what happened after.
 

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One day, people will stop making things up to suit their argument when they post in this thread. Today is not that day. I don't know why some people say "This character said this" when no such thing was ever said, but it continues to happen, and it's usually the same people doing it.
That's why I like to come here from time to time, quoting the exact phrases that are written in the game, even though NTRs continue to fill my comments with likes, laughter, and disagreement.
However, I am happy to do so, especially to help new users who are discovering this fantastic story in Visual Novel only today.
 

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To each it's own. Personally I don't dive too deep into a story. I'm more interested in hot scenes. I hope that the next update has something similar to the first sex scene behind closed doors and her sneaking out in the middle of the night was really hot. That's why I have high hopes for the party. I also really liked the car bj scene, not so much what happened after.
This KN is strictly related to the realism of the story plot.

There are many games for those who love hot scenes without a plot that connects the reasons why the female protagonist sleeps with every man she meets...
I could recommend hundreds of titles focused on sex...
but here we are talking about a story writer... I recommend reading the author's posts.

I only replied to you to avoid giving you false hope...
If you like the story, I recommend you look for the posts that SC Stories (you can easily find all of SC's posts using the search function at the top right of the page) has chosen to share with those of us who love stories with deep, realistic developments within the relationships between husband and wife (or between partners).

I would advise you to read carefully what the author has written in this paragraph... It will never be an action plot like Fast and Furious, with nonstop sex and parties...
The story is written to remain as close as possible to reality, which includes logical motivations even for creating a sex scene.

Like any story there are trade offs. The pacing is fast, yes. But I want to tell the story and not waste production time on filler scenes just to give a sense of a slower, longer fall from grace. There is porn logic. Of course there is, it's a porn KN. Liberties are taken. Show me a movie where there isn't an unrealistic leap within the story. But you can go two routes. You can take the Jason Bourne route and have just enough fake to make the story worth telling but grounded in reality or you can take the Fast and the Furious route, fill the whole movie with just complete utter nonsense but throw enough action on the screen that people still enjoy watching it. I like to think I chose the former. There needs to be enough dialogue to tell the story but not so much to bore the reader. Enough side characters to break up the main plot but not so many that they aren't able to be developed or given adequate screen time. Everything is a trade off.
 
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That's why I like to come here from time to time, quoting the exact phrases that are written in the game, even though NTRs continue to fill my comments with likes, laughter, and disagreement.
However, I am happy to do so, especially to help new users who are discovering this fantastic story in Visual Novel only today.
It's hilarious that you can say that when you're one of the worst offenders. Some people come here and talk about their interpretation of what happened, and that is absolutely fine because it is what they read into a scene and its dialogue. You, on the other hand, seem to take your interpretation and then make things up to embellish it.

Since you're so fond of quoting exact phrases that are written in the game, why don't you provide your usual screenshots to show us where it says Hutch was asking for too much commission, and Christian warned him about it, and that's why he's getting fired? And where it says Hutch has never taken a day off or come home for lunch. That's just two examples from the last few posts.
 

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It's hilarious that you can say that when you're one of the worst offenders. Some people come here and talk about their interpretation of what happened, and that is absolutely fine because it is what they read into a scene and its dialogue. You, on the other hand, seem to take your interpretation and then make things up to embellish it.
Me, transgressing what? I don't understand what's transgressive about posting my different interpretation of the story, basing my arguments on statements made by the protagonists that refute a distorted view held by some who hate NTR stories.
Do you want me to stop writing here?

Why are you interested in denigrating what I write?
Help me understand.
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Me, transgressing what? I don't understand what's transgressive about posting my different interpretation of the story, basing my arguments on statements made by the protagonists that refute a distorted view held by some who hate NTR stories.
Do you want me to stop writing here?

Why are you interested in denigrating what I write?
Help me understand.
Thanks
I think it was pretty clear. I said you keep making things up to suit your argument - you say a character said something, when in fact they said no such thing. I gave two examples that you have posted recently and since you say you quote exactly from the game, I asked you to back that up by showing where these are said in the game. I note that you've chosen to ignore that part of my post, for some reason.

What I would like, ideally, is for you to stop posting things as fact when they are not fact. Stop posting that something happened when it did not. An interpretation is one thing, and that's fine, but literally saying "this happened" or "this was said" when it did not happen or get said, is not helpful to anyone.
 

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Since you're so fond of quoting exact phrases that are written in the game, why don't you provide your usual screenshots to show us where it says Hutch was asking for too much commission, and Christian warned him about it, and that's why he's getting fired? And where it says Hutch has never taken a day off or come home for lunch. That's just two examples from the last few posts.
Thank you for this question...
And that's basically what Christian says to Vivian in the scene (CH2) where the boss gives her the check for the job she did in getting Mr. Rees to sign the contract at the hotel...
Anyway, it always takes me a long time to prepare my screenshots, but soon... for now I have some things to do with my wife... but in the afternoon I'll post the scenes starting from day 2 when Vivian goes to talk to her husband's boss for the first time... to remind you, I'll post just 3 screenshots here.

That will be help you to understand MY INTERPRETATION ... that the cause of the lost of 2 important clients of the company at the day 1 one of the game was HUTCH FAULT!!
I posted only 3 screenshoots

But this is just a teaser of my next post that wil
which will contain a scene from chapter 1 and a scene from chapter 2 in which Vivian discovers that the commission for the closing contract she signed at the hotel with Mr. Rees is nothing compared to the check that will go into Hutch's pocket... and that's where Christina explains in part the kind of work Vivian's husband does within the company...

SC stories has a way of writing that tends to hide all the details... he often waits an entire chapter to finally make things clear in their entirety...
after reading both CH1 and CH2, I begin to understand why Hutch was so sure he had been fired.
here there are 2 more pics that confirm that Hutch the day 1 was very near to be FIRED!!
Hutch in a single day lost the company two clients after Christian warned him that GSA was trying to steal Hutch's clients, and it's obvious that to steal a client, you have to offer them lower commissions... That's why Chris had already warned him that the commissions he was charging were too high.


I am truly grateful to you for asking me this question.
see you later... i hope to have the time.

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Losing two clients in a company that handles accounting for large businesses means a loss of tens of thousands of dollars for each client in a year, and perhaps even much more...
I guarantee you that Hutch was fired by Christian on day one... Later, I will post more evidence that Hutch was not the model employee you all believe him to be. And that is also why he accepts his wife's help in closing deals that will bring in his pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars...
We're not talking about cheap $100-a-night prostitute here... there could be millions of dollars at stake.
 
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Thank you for this question...
And that's basically what Christian says to Vivian in the scene (CH2) where the boss gives her the check for the job she did in getting Mr. Rees to sign the contract at the hotel...
Anyway, it always takes me a long time to prepare my screenshots, but soon... for now I have some things to do with my wife... but in the afternoon I'll post the scenes starting from day 2 when Vivian goes to talk to her husband's boss for the first time... to remind you, I'll post just 3 screenshots here.

That will be help you to understand MY INTERPRETATION ... that the cause of the lost of 2 important clients of the company at the day 1 one of the game was HUTCH FAULT!!


I posted only 3 screenshoots

But this is just a teaser of my next post that wil
which will contain a scene from chapter 1 and a scene from chapter 2 in which Vivian discovers that the commission for the closing contract she signed at the hotel with Mr. Rees is nothing compared to the check that will go into Hutch's pocket... and that's where Christina explains in part the kind of work Vivian's husband does within the company...

SC stories has a way of writing that tends to hide all the details... he often waits an entire chapter to finally make things clear in their entirety...
after reading both CH1 and CH2, I begin to understand why Hutch was so sure he had been fired.
here there are 2 more pics that confirm that Hutch the day 1 was very near to be FIRED!!

Hutch in a single day lost the company two clients after Christian warned him that GSA was trying to steal Hutch's clients, and it's obvious that to steal a client, you have to offer them lower commissions... That's why Chris had already warned him that the commissions he was charging were too high.


I am truly grateful to you for asking me this question.
see you later... i hope to have the time.

Thanks
See, that is where you are wrong. You are not posting your interpretation, you are fabricating, you are giving details that simply do not exist in the game. That is not what Christian "basically says" at all. It is never said that Hutch is asking for too much commission, or that Christian warned him of this, or that that's why two of his clients were poached. And there are numerous reasons why a client may choose to go with another company (believe me, we've discussed this in quite a bit of detail in this thread). GSA were known to be fishing around and trying to increase their client base, that's why Christian told his people to "shore up their accounts" - to make sure they are happy and are not going to be tempted by GSA. Money will naturally come into that, but it's simply not a case of "Christian told Hutch 'You, you're charging too much, go reduce your charges before our competitor comes in and undercuts us.'"

Plus (to pull from your next post) I don't think we actually know what the business is. I don't believe it's stated that they do accountancy for other companies. If that was the business, I don't think they'd need a warehouse, for instance - the office we see is primarily the sales staff, the rest of the office staff are at the warehouse. Some paperwork that Addison has uses product codes, which she was going to update and send to the warehouse. Sales, product codes, warehouse - that suggests that at least part of the business is to do with goods and shipping. You're suggesting that they are accountants for their clients, but they could literally be the equivalent of Dunder Mifflin, shipping paper, and Hutch and Max are the Jim Halpert and Dwight Schrute of this particular office.
 

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You mean you hope; why do you hope for this?
Where on earth did I wrote that I want/hope for it? On the contrary, as I wrote to another user, personally, I would had wanted a big shift in terms of ntr character archetypes. I strongly believe it won't happen though.

Chapter 2 was centered in the female main character, to know her better, and it was globally just as other games in the niche: a hot milf, manipulated at will by the bull, without any kind of self-imposed limits nor agency. Confirming what could be intuited in ch1.

What did SC say that suggests she must fall?
That she wasn't so interesting as a character and that the story in general will get bleaker. So, if the dev it's saying something like this, and seeing her "evolution" in chapter 1 and specially in chapter 2 (see above), I don't expect a rise up.On the contrary, she will fall deep down.

Some of you are expecting that she will become aware of her situation, know what she wants and changes things up. That she will speak with Hutch, reconnect somehow with him, even having a hidden master plan to make Christian fall. So far, in chapter 1, the second time she went to the office to sever all ties with Christian, they ended in the bathroom fucking; in ch2, she wanted to remain "anal virgin" to her husband, she finally did it with a unplanned hookup; she went out with Hutch to celebrate with him, instead she was raped by a random customer (following Christian "job") and having sex with her pimp. To finally telling him that she is now his. So, she is in the hands of a sociopath that treat her like a disposable item, and you're telling me that she won't fall deep down?! All this while she was supposed to be celebrating with Hutch to reconnect with him. You still believe her words?

Seeing the teaser for next chapter, I don't see a big shift coming. Her taken by the waist by Christian, while the husband is watching. Her consoling Hutch after something happened or about to, and seeing their facial expressions, I don't think it's positive. Christian, angry, pointing her out, because probably she said something he didn't like. Based on previous encounters between both of them, he will get what he wants, again.

Certainly, teaser are just fragments of the chapter, but they set the tone.

Loss of self esteem. More like confusion. She has been unsure of what she wants and why she is doing what she is doing, but at the end of chpt 2 is coming out of that.
So, for you, a person that it's send to get raped and then got directly to the pimp to affront him, to finally get sexually aroused by the reenactment of the rape with him it's just confused? There is not self-deprecation at all?

Never had a tantrum.
o_O Every time she had sex with him she was more or less mad with him after the sex ended. Even the dev did a post with happy Vivian because he realized most of the time she's angry, stressed or sad. You can compare it with the night with Sunshine, where she was nervous, even confused if you want, but with an overall positive attitude. To the point that she felt safe enough to have anal sex for the first time.
 
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Just finished season 2 yesterday. Some of the best storytelling I have seen in this genre. Dark, shocking and painful to follow the main characters. Character delveopment and relations are extremely well done. I actually struggled playing trough the game because I got emotional. Can't wait for chapter 3. Thank you for your hard work!
 
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(believe me, we've discussed this in quite a bit of detail in this thread)
Who are these “we” people? Do you take this decision by talking with SC stories?

So, by arguing with those you call “ we ” , are you setting yourself up as the sole possessor of the truth?
I don't believe you're talking about a discussion you had with SC stories, and even if you were, I don't think he told you everything...
while I only take inspiration from what is written in the story without cheating, as you seem to do with your hatred towards my interpretations of the script.
(you call them "fabrications" :LOL:)
At this point, you are the one who wants to divide the people who love this story... you even say that my interpretation is:"you are fabricating, you are giving details that simply do not exist in the game."
Everithing i write takes insperation from the script in CH1 and 2...i don't use your "we" discussion

I think you are just full of yourselves...
You think Vivian is a cheap whore like all NTR hater

But do you know how much commission Hutch earns when he sells the shares traded by Hutch's company...
Do you know how trading companies work?
I think and I'm sure that when SC says...

We will see soon in the next chapters if my interpretation of the SC stories screenplay is like the one you with your
"we-friends" will be near as my "fabrication" that are just my interpretation of what it is written in the game...

I don't know if today i will have the time to post again but I will mention your nickname so that you get the notification.
with the respect I always give to those who read me with such interest, as you always do.

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Where on earth did I wrote that I want/hope for it? On the contrary, as I wrote to another user, personally, I would had wanted a big shift in terms of ntr character archetypes. I strongly believe it won't happen though.
I take it that what you expect is what you hope for, otherwise you would try to visualize something else. Like me, I don't want bad things for Wife, so I try to suggest ways that might not happen. Not that bad things might not happen anyway. See the difference?
Chapter 2 was centered in the female main character, to know her better, and it was globally just as other games in the niche: a hot milf, manipulated at will by the bull, without any kind of self-imposed limits nor agency. Confirming what could be intuited in ch1.
As in other games in this niche. But SC has made it clear, I think, that this game is different.
That she wasn't so interesting as a character and that the story in general will get bleaker.
And you assume that means only for Wife. Since SC did not say, his statement could equally apply to all 3 mc's.
So, if the dev it's saying something like this, and seeing her "evolution" in chapter 1 and specially in chapter 2 (see above), I don't expect a rise up.On the contrary, she will fall deep down.
Recently SC provided some pics from chpt 3 that look like Wife having sex with Husband on the old couch in their apartment. Earlier he provided a pic where Boss has his hand firmly on Wife's jaw, while she looks at him in fury. One could expect from that a break with Boss, and a reconciliation with Husband. The SC says that, at the end of Chpt 3 is another cliff hanger, so I am thinking perhaps Boss tries to get her back. If he succeeds, then things are grim for all three mc's in my opinion.

But there is room here to expect various things not anticipated in the quote you mention. Regardless of what happens after the cliffhanger, there is still a full chpt 4 and a wrap up in 5 to go. One may choose if one wishes to hope against hope.
You still believe her words?
I don't believe the past is a map of the future. I think people can smarten up, people can change, people can learn from mistakes. But it is true, often not.
Seeing the teaser for next chapter, I don't see a big shift coming.
Be prepared for SC to surprise you, as he says he certainly will.
So, for you, a person that it's send to get raped and then got directly to the pimp to affront him, to finally get sexually aroused by the reenactment of the rape with him it's just confused?
I don't think that is what happened at all. He asks her what she wants from him. She says she wants him to be gentle with her. She did not ask for gentle sex, which is what Boss gives here. After which, she continues to tell him what she wants in return for Boss's demand that she belong to him. Do not be cruel to Husband, do not mention the escort sex again (which he must understand means do not send her for escort sex again), let her go home to Husband at night, and remember... to which Boss responds, I know...sacrifice.

It does not surprise me that almost none of the players see the significance of that even after SC says it is a confrontation and very important in the development of the story. Players simply don't want to see it that way.
o_O Every time she had sex with him she was more or less mad with him after the sex ended.
Not once do I see that. And after the final sex scene at the end of chpt 3, we see her enjoying a cuddle scene with him. Nope, no anger there.
 
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