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Hattyrulz

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He says it as one of those not quite clever little phrases with a strategic pause meant to strike fear into Hutch before continuing:
was it during the dinner at christian's house? don't remember this dialogue.... or the convo hutch and christian have in the office. christian doesn't need to tease/corrupt/manipulate anymore seeing from the way the couple talk in code instead of outright saying what a disaster it has been for both of them. just like christian planned by having his talks with both of them.
 

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was it during the dinner at christian's house? don't remember this dialogue.... or the convo hutch and christian have in the office. christian doesn't need to tease/corrupt/manipulate anymore seeing from the way the couple talk in code instead of outright saying what a disaster it has been for both of them. just like christian planned by having his talks with both of them.
It's still a huge game for Christian. He does it with other couples. He likes to fuck wifes in front of husbands. He's done that in the past, and currently his target is Vivian. But, she's a proud woman. And, right now, she does love Hutch. So, she's not going to purposely fuck in front of Hutch, even if Christian proposes the idea. She just isn't.

But, I'm sure Christian has games he'd like to play with her. So, he'll need some kind of strategy to get her onboard with things. Not just so he can fuck her, but so he can play with her, and play with Hutch. That's what he's aiming for. He has other women that he fucks to get off on. But, with Vivian, she comes with a husband, adn that's tempting for him. That's why he wants to play with Vivian and stretch teh boundries. But, we'll have to see in the future updates how he plays with the couple. And whether or not they allow him to play with them.

I do like that hot of Hutch looking at the knife in the kitchen. That does lend a sense of /what-ifs/. It makes the story exciting to tune into.
 

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was it during the dinner at christian's house? don't remember this dialogue.... or the convo hutch and christian have in the office. christian doesn't need to tease/corrupt/manipulate anymore seeing from the way the couple talk in code instead of outright saying what a disaster it has been for both of them. just like christian planned by having his talks with both of them.
Absolutely wrong. Of course Christian has to tease/manipulate/corrupt/humilate further. Dev mentioned it won't get any softer, so the game for Christian is still on. Vivian is just torn at the moment and not fully corrupted and if Christian really blames Hutch for losing 2 imortant clients, then he's not finished with Hutch either. A man with his status and ego won't allow anyone to plan something on him.
steal.jpg That was the day after the dinner. At work!
 
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she's a proud woman
doesn't seem like it at the end of the update. vivian is almost ready for anything that christian is saying at this point......that's how i see it ... there is a lot for foreshadowing in the way the events happen in this vn. like the reader is warned and then it happens. vivian says something and does the opposite and the manipulations of christian is just taking advantage of the flaws that are already there in the relationship as he has done this to many couples. not saying that there are no more manipulations my point how is it manipulation when the individual being manipulated in compliant/submissive/willing.
with Vivian, she comes with a husband, adn that's tempting for him. That's why he wants to play with Vivian and stretch teh boundries. But, we'll have to see in the future updates how he plays with the couple. And whether or not they allow him to play with them.
my point is what's there to manipulate in an open marriage....that's what i don't get.
 

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Absolutely wrong. Of course Christian has to tease/manipulate/corrupt/humilate further. Dev mentioned it won't get any softer, so the game for Christian is still on. Vivian is just torn at the moment and not fully corrupted and if Christian really blames Hutch for losing 2 imortant clients, then he's not finished with Hutch either. A man with his status and ego won't allow anyone to plan something on him.
english isn't my first language. i think my thoughts are getting lost in translation... that how i feel. my mistake.... christian will try to do more stuff... not saying it will stop.... but my question is how is it corruption when the person you are trying to corrupt is a willing participant.
 
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english isn't my first language. i think my thoughts are getting lost in translation... that how i feel. my mistake.... christian will try to do more stuff... not saying it will stop.... but my question is how is corruption when the person you are trying to corrupt is a willing participant.
With more corruption I mean to bring Vivian out of her shell completely. Like Sex in public, exhibitionism, anal, dp,... all the things she hasn't done before or maybe not done for a long while and this will need time and what better possibility than having a woman who doesn't get touched by her husband anymore and even said to the other one she won't do it with him again. Sooner or later she will ask Christian to satisfy her longing. This is what Christian opens quite the possibilities to corrupt her further when he says if you really want my dick, then show me how much you need it!
 
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With more corruption I mean to bring Vivian out of her shell completely. Like Sex in public, exhibitionism, anal, dp,... all the things she hasn't done before or maybe not done for a long while and this will need time and what better possibility than having a woman who doesn't get touched by her husband anymore and even said to the other one she won't do it with him again. Sooner or later she will ask Christian to satisfy her longing. This is what Christian opens quite the possibilities to corrupt her further when he says if you really want my dick, then show me how much you need it!
isnt it already at the point as she is giving a bj in the bathroom and moaning at just from hugs. believing and confiding in christian and talking about all the personal intiamte details to a fuck buddy... isn't it a sign that she will do whatever christian tells her to do. vivian coming out of her shell and the background/history behind it that is more like the awakening of a slut instead of corrupting an loving wife....
 
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isnt it already at the point as she is giving a bj in the bathroom and moaning at just from hugs. believing and confiding in christian and talking about all the personal intiamte details to a fuck buddy... isn't it a sign that she will do whatever christian tells her to do. vivian coming out of her shell and the background/history behind it that is more like the awakening of a slut instead of corrupting an loving wife....
She does protest that this is the LAST TIME.... Even in the parking lot after she has found out Hutch was in the Bathroom... Then shw ges home and Hutch opens the marriage.... We will see what changes... As I mentioned above the previews show she possibly has sex 2 more times.
 

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isnt it already at the point as she is giving a bj in the bathroom and moaning at just from hugs. believing and confiding in christian and talking about all the personal intiamte details to a fuck buddy... isn't it a sign that she will do whatever christian tells her to do. vivian coming out of her shell and the background/history behind it that is more like the awakening of a slut instead of corrupting an loving wife....
Not enough to make her sleep with others!
 
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Obviously every time she has sex with Christian, she will say it is absolutely the last time. Then she'll have sex with him again and tell him it's the last time. And so on, and so on, until something actually breaks – which might be Hutch, might be Vivian, or might be Christian.

I'm still not sold on Christian getting Vivian to fuck other people, I don't think that's something that works for him. But he's certainly opened the door, and Vivian might fuck others as a result of her new awakening, and Hutch's words at the end of the first update.
 

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Obviously every time she has sex with Christian, she will say it is absolutely the last time. Then she'll have sex with him again and tell him it's the last time. And so on, and so on, until something actually breaks – which might be Hutch, might be Vivian, or might be Christian.

I'm still not sold on Christian getting Vivian to fuck other people, I don't think that's something that works for him. But he's certainly opened the door, and Vivian might fuck others as a result of her new awakening, and Hutch's words at the end of the first update.
Will not be Christian... He likes sex with her too much ! But maybe later in the story that may be his downfall.....
 

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We have seen that Vivian's willpower in relation to Christian is not as strong as she thinks it is, at least not yet. When Hutch tried to warn her about the kind of man Christian is on the drive to his home, she said: "I'm fully capable of handling myself if he says or does something inappropriate, okay?" And we already know that Christian cannot be trusted and is willing to physically restrain Vivian to some extent in response to her saying that sex is over and she wants to leave.
 
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We will see how it will come for Vivian to fuck with others than Christian. At the moment he is the only one who can corrupt her further or awaken her desire for more. Christian would be a real charakter if he would refuse her for a while because she said she wouldn't have sex with him anymore. He can't just give in and give her what she needs when she's ready to. It must be him having the lead and not her. So that''s why I'm guessing he orders her to do a favor for a favor...the (Mayor's?) house she went to with the red dress.
 
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Obviously every time she has sex with Christian, she will say it is absolutely the last time. Then she'll have sex with him again and tell him it's the last time. And so on, and so on, until something actually breaks – which might be Hutch, might be Vivian, or might be Christian.
I agree. Hopefully, it will be Vivian and/or Hutch to finally shut it down...because if it's Christian, I think that will mean he's through with them, as he has gotten everything he wanted from them.
 
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just noticed something while searching for a charater looking like a mayor.....
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assuming this is the mayor....
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notice anything??
so much foreshadowing going one its crazy.
 
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hard look vivian model same face
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i try look close look to her
but she have wide jaw i think need make Chang in face bone
i just beginner so i make some chang hair eyes muscle face can move

who you think close look to her
from this
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use some model
u cover-5.jpg e3d-aash-for-genesis-88-1-female-01.jpg tekken-azucena-for-g8f-08.jpg
 
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vivian's model is a highly modified g8 charity model.... at this point you could say she is a new model... from the differences between vivian and the original model charity.
 
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vivian's model is a highly modified g8 charity model.... at this point you could say she is a new model... from the differences between vivian and the original model charity.
thx you i try model with different skin tone
i look model have wide face like vivan
you very helpful
 
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