Never said i was talkin to u. it's related tp several pots i've seen on last pages.
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What it really gets me angry is that even in the end Hutch clearly says "Do it..Dont do it..its up to you.."
So even there Hutch gives her a chance to pick him over Christian and do the right thing about their marriage.And she literally from that she gets this.."Does Christian know my husband better than me..Is all men like this?Is that how he knows?"And she rants up some bullshit that they eventually this will blow up and they can work to get back to where they were..
I mean bitch please really?From what your husband is saying thats what you actually thought?She doesnt even get that this is his way to give her another chance to actually work their marriage.She is pretty delusional from the day 1.
So even there Hutch gives her a chance to pick him over Christian and do the right thing about their marriage.And she literally from that she gets this.."Does Christian know my husband better than me..Is all men like this?Is that how he knows?"And she rants up some bullshit that they eventually this will blow up and they can work to get back to where they were..
I mean bitch please really?From what your husband is saying thats what you actually thought?She doesnt even get that this is his way to give her another chance to actually work their marriage.She is pretty delusional from the day 1.
I really don't get the point of the discussion about what Vivian will do. Personally, it's all obvious to me - she'll fuck everyone we've been introduced to. That's evidenced by her actions, not her words. All of her actions have led to this. Yes and I think that for the author the main character is Vivian - and therefore many sex scenes will happen to her without any consequences. Because it's her actions that make her act like Christian is her husband, not Hutch. You can write it off as them being partners in crime, but Vivian acts like that with Christian even before the first sex.
I want to be wrong, but I think all the characters we've been introduced to will fuck Vivian (except Hutch, of course).
I want to be wrong, but I think all the characters we've been introduced to will fuck Vivian (except Hutch, of course).
I actually agree with you, considering the different male characters we've been introduced to all expressed a sexual interest in Vivian. It may be the author playing with us, but i think he showed us these characters for a reason : they'll have a role to play in this story and this being a porn game, a sexual one. The interesting thing being for us if it will (or not) unfold in a congruent way with this introduction we saw. For my part, it would be very disappointing if the only explication would be that she's a whore. It's important to maintain a dilemma for Vivian.
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Wow, I go to bed and wake up to 4 new pages of comments... Good job peeps!
The question we have is how her next time would be achieved. I think this is another mystery to add to my list.
The Mysteries
9. Mystery 9: How will Vivian end up being fucked by Christian
a) Christian will go all Borg on her: Resistance is Futile!
b) Vivian will willingly spread her legs, after all it's an open relationship
c) She will capitulate faster than France in WW2
d) After enough pressure and threats she, reluctantly agrees
e) Dev's surprise
Minimizing the number of partners has has, will be more beneficial to the story. I hope she does not end up with any of the current side characters, they just are not appealing, even the prospective BBC (over done billions of times).
What sets this game apart is the dynamic between Vivian's decisions and Hutch's reactions: The dilemma of how far is too far and where to draw the line that should not be crossed. All other characters, including Christian, are only assets to assist in this battle.
We all know that she will be sleeping with Christian again, regardless of what she has said i.e. first he promise in the bathroom, and secondly her comment to Hutch that she does not want anything to do with that man.
The question we have is how her next time would be achieved. I think this is another mystery to add to my list.
The Mysteries
9. Mystery 9: How will Vivian end up being fucked by Christian
a) Christian will go all Borg on her: Resistance is Futile!
b) Vivian will willingly spread her legs, after all it's an open relationship
c) She will capitulate faster than France in WW2
d) After enough pressure and threats she, reluctantly agrees
e) Dev's surprise
This is also my opinion. The wilder she gets without restriction or remorse, the more boring the story will get.
Minimizing the number of partners has has, will be more beneficial to the story. I hope she does not end up with any of the current side characters, they just are not appealing, even the prospective BBC (over done billions of times).
What sets this game apart is the dynamic between Vivian's decisions and Hutch's reactions: The dilemma of how far is too far and where to draw the line that should not be crossed. All other characters, including Christian, are only assets to assist in this battle.
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think b and c are the obvious choices... even though i don't want it to happen to vivian.... but being a vn with a predetermined path and choice taken away from the reader.... the first time vivian is introduced to the readers she is so perceptive of hutches reactions and feeling (this viewpoint for me is very close to home) and even after hutch tells her what might happen if she meets his coworkers she goes behind his back and meets the boss...what happened to the woman who was so intune with her husband.... this really triggers some personal feeling. and the consequent series of bad choices cements her as a character with many flaws. in view of this my bets are on b and c. as she is happy in what she is going to do and happy that hutch is allowing it and not even remembering that just also said don't do it and told her it's her choice... that's my view from the way she reacts at the end of the update.
exactly....they seem so close to real life and yet too far to believe at times... it also creates a conflict in the reader even if there are no choice. i asked the dev a week before if this is a story he wrote or contracted it... and there was no reply.... so if anyone has come across such a story .... info about it would be appreciated..would put a lot of theories to rest.
from the few interactions and the way the dev implements the scene... this is the most likely possibility and christian being the narcissist that he is makes it so. which "MAY" give vivian a wake up call and some sort of dilema in the open relationship in the future update...
the above pic raises a lot of possible questions that you have pointed out in your mysteries...this is the 2nd most important preview the first being the cigarette man pic...for me as it eliminates other posibile theories. the way the dev will explain these pics will change the game for me.
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I read that line from Hutch as nothing more than him giving up. He's not actually giving her the choice to do the right thing, per se, he's just realising that he has no power in the decision, and/or he is so apathetic already that he doesn't care anymore. He's already broken, as was shown a few times before this came up, what's the point in him trying anymore?
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i dont have the experience of being in such a long relationship.the dynamics of it.... my views agree with ponos. thats hutch's last final futile attempt to get him loving wife back... people raise their voice to get the upper hand in argument and there are exceptions to this rule... we see that in christian. hutch raises his voice and say that dialogue.... cos he is showing that he is upset after all the code talk... the take away for vivian from all that is she thinks christian knows hutch better than her.vivian at the start did know hutch better and still made the choice of fucking the boss in the backyard this is depicted with her crying about it even before it happens as she has come to terms with what must be done. hutch was broken from what he saw cos he though he knew his wife better than that .... and she has been lying about it since then and not telling him the truth... in that situation any husband however loving and kind will break(break being the wrong word here maybe loss of affection). the point of him trying is that he might know what will be the end result. the end result being what happened in the past of vivian and hutch ... the explanation for the tatoos... and y she is a substitute teacher when she comes across as a smart intelligent independent woman. i'm not saying anyone is wrong .... just pointing out the possibilities.
Honestly idk why so many people qualify Vivian with the terms, strong, intelligent, while most her actions are a display of self-overestimation, and let's say it, sometimes plain stupidity :
- She thinks she can in 5 minutes advise her husband on a field she knows nothing about.
- Goes behind her husband's back thinking she could manipulate her husband's boss, all that to return home the tail between her legs
- I won't delve in the events at at Christian's home, bc it will take another page
- Her husband is asking questions so precise that it indicates he knows, he's clearly totally wtihdrawn from her, and yet she still doesn't get it.
- She promises herself no more shenanigans with Christian and yet goes to talk in a bathroom with him, knowing the guy has no shame. Btw, this woman only cheats on her husband when she's likely to get caught, that's a disease.
I know the dev is obliged to take some "arrangements" with the logic to tell the story he wants to tell, but don't say Vivian is smart, please. Nor that she's strong, all we have seen indicates the opposite.
For Hutch, i think (it's an opinion which is worth another) he fools himself into thinking it's something they can get over as a couple. I think he really loves his wife and even what he had seen or heard has not been enough for him to fall out of love for her. I think he's very dependent on her. That's why Chrstian stroke the right nerve by saying : "Ask yourself... in what scenario would she be better off without you... would you be better off without her?". But everyone has his limits and her affair(s) will put them to test.
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i may be projecting a bit as i cannot bear to think about a model who looks so close to my wife. and it is my hope that she is strong and intelligent not that she is in the game.... and the dev has a redemption arc... not saying your points are wrong ... or justifying anything in the game....if you have read my other post you would see that i just present my views and how i think the vn will progress going forward...
i completely agree with you points you stated... those are not the actions of a strong willed intelligent woman. yes i agree that the dev has taken some liberties with the way the story has gone so far as there are a lot of contradicting behaviours from the body language to the dialogues... and saying something but doing the opposite... there are quite a few. i not refuting your point i agree with it... even then i don't want vivian to become such a character in the vn knowing that it is inevitable. that's just me... others have their own views.
in regards to hutch... if you have read the first line i wrote... i did say that i was never in such a long relationship(anything more that 10 years) and how it would be for such a couple. i know im relating a lot with the characters in the vn which is bad and that is y i say there is a lot of porn game logic. sometimes the story logic just goes from being believable to outright crazy. having said that has anyone come across such a master manipulator in their life... i haven't. i don't know about the rest but me who had been a husband for 10 years would never do what hutch did even if he was manipulated by christian. sorry if this feels like a rant but this vn had brought out a lot of memories and just wish a happy ending which i know isn't possible in a NTR vn.
PS: to the point about the husband being withdrawn... see the first scene where vivian is introduced she immediately know something is wrong with her husband comes to his support... where did this woman disappear to in just 1 day...when hutch was giving so many signs of hurt and emotional detachment.
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A couple of these points come up quite often, and I definitely have a different point of view regarding them:
- She thinks she can in 5 minutes advise her husband on a field she knows nothing about.
I disagree on this one. Who says she doesn't know anything about this stuff? I've said before that Vivian isn't advising Hutch on specific business practices relating to his job, she's giving him advise about creating and managing relationships with people. This isn't job-specific, it's generic stuff that anyone can know about and advise on without having the first clue about what Hutch's job is.
- Her husband is asking questions so precise that it indicates he knows, he's clearly totally wtihdrawn from her, and yet she still doesn't get it.
Are you specifically referring to the "Talking Code" section at the end of the update here? If so, it's not that she doesn't get it, it's that she doesn't want to admit it and use the actual words in conversation with Hutch. Both of them pussy-foot around the truth of it, as if thinking that by not putting it into words, it's not real - or at least that it means the other person doesn't actually confirm that they know. That's why the whole scene is called "Talking Code" and not "Talking Openly" or something.
I disagree that Vivian's actions so far mean that she is not intelligent. You can be incredibly smart and still make stupid decisions. And strength is different, because it depends on the specific thing being referred to. She can still be a strong woman who is prone to bouts of weakness though, it's just a more nuanced distinction.
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The relationship between Vivian and Hutch seems to be relatively superficial. It is a comfortable but also monotonous life that the two lead.
But what is striking is the naivety with which Hutch knows how to shine. He has done a remarkable job of ignoring his wife's true needs for 22 years. The convenience of stepping down as head of the family and leaving this title to his wife and the fact that he is already dependent on the help of blue pills at an early age in order to be able to perform at all.
Instead of meeting the needs of his wife he bought her an expensive car with hick ups. Even here he shows a selfless indifference and is not even able to have an inspection carried out for faults before being persuaded to accept a probably overpriced offer from the car dealer.
Vivian, a part-time biology teacher, is the head of the family and lovingly takes care of the family's needs, even asks her son about his during a phone call who has managed to grow up and attends college, while the other male in the household is in danger of qualifying for a hopeless play.
This all reflects the wretchedness of Hutch's whole character even before the dinner at Christian's house has taken place.
Vivian has been vegetating next to a corpse for 22 years, it's not surprising when a little action suddenly knocks on the door and she opens it enthusiastically.
But what is striking is the naivety with which Hutch knows how to shine. He has done a remarkable job of ignoring his wife's true needs for 22 years. The convenience of stepping down as head of the family and leaving this title to his wife and the fact that he is already dependent on the help of blue pills at an early age in order to be able to perform at all.
Instead of meeting the needs of his wife he bought her an expensive car with hick ups. Even here he shows a selfless indifference and is not even able to have an inspection carried out for faults before being persuaded to accept a probably overpriced offer from the car dealer.
Vivian, a part-time biology teacher, is the head of the family and lovingly takes care of the family's needs, even asks her son about his during a phone call who has managed to grow up and attends college, while the other male in the household is in danger of qualifying for a hopeless play.
This all reflects the wretchedness of Hutch's whole character even before the dinner at Christian's house has taken place.
Vivian has been vegetating next to a corpse for 22 years, it's not surprising when a little action suddenly knocks on the door and she opens it enthusiastically.
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we had this debate when i started posting on this thread about her flaws in logic but you have to see it from rob's point of view as well he is interpreting it with just the info the vn has... or that's what i did when we talked about it. completely agree with your input on intelligence and strength. then again its as you said a nuanced distinction.
kinda harsh and brutal too if i'm being honest ... but yes married for 22 years and needing a blue pill... lol... if you have read the post above from tonymurray you can see quite a few valid points... which makes you question the story of how a 22 year marriage came to be... and the tattoos keep getting highlighted from the start which shows there is some backstory to this disaster which we don't yet know about. your view actually alliangnes well with how the story has progressed so far ....nice take on the story so far... keep the theories rolling... since the dev hasn't posted any "gossip material" in his word.
You can be smart and make bad decisions but you are not smart if you don't understand what's going on.
1 ) I know we don't agree on this one. For me she's stupid there and borderline pretentious.
2) I'm not talking about the last conversations but about all the previous ones. Hutch asks a lot of questions, acting very suspicious and even says this bit :
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She's lying very poorly (and should know it as a smart person), doesn't deduce her husband wasn't really asleep (and most likely has seen her or heard her), and at the very least should say herself "RED ALERT! He's onto me". But she thinks her husband is just insecure...
EDIT : reread this conversation (d03s04). It's golden how Vivian is clueless.
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setting aside the smart part what happened to being for 22 years.... anyone who has been married/had a partner for even 2/3 years would be able to pick up queues on their emotional state... so 22 years .... feels like it didn't happens. if you read my post about y i wrote that about vivian you should see some common ground... the only way the poor lying and not picking up the directed questions.... is porn logic.... it's so unbelievable that it cannot be explained. as you have said the dev did take some logic for granted.
if you read Gattsu#Struggler post its again another extreme view. to many variable contradicting each other is what makes this vn believable and unbelievable at the same time. and lets not forget the foreshadowing.... tips hat to dev.
Like you said, it's porn logic and i'm ok with that. The only thing i don't want to hear is that she's smart when no element supports that.
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i'm just keeping an open mind and hoping that she is... not that's it is true in the vn as it clearly isn't the case.
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That's why I said their relationship is superficial.
Vivian doesn't admit she cheated on him because she fears it could break him, neither does Hutch about his knowledge because he's affraid of losing her.
Every question is followed by a counter question. It's like they lived a life for 22 years like neighbors and not like a couple.
I get what you mean but if you read the script of d03s04, it's obvious H gives her an opportunity to come clean on her own. It's like he cornered her to leave her no choice but telling the truth. I know u're right, she's supposed to do that, to protect her husband, but at this point, especially after he said he didn't sleep, it's disrespectful to not tell him the truth.
Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably
EDIT : rereading the aftermath, Christian late night call, she's not that stupid, but she isn't smart though. But christian is making her stupid.I get what you mean but if you read the script of d03s04, it's obvious H gives her an opportunity to come clean on her own. It's like he cornered her to leave her no choice but telling the truth. I know u're right, she's supposed to do that, to protect her husband, but at this point, especially after he said he didn't sleep, it's disrespectful to not tell him the truth.
Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably