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Gattsu#Struggler

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I get what you mean but if you read the script of d03s04, it's obvious H gives her an opportunity to come clean on her own. It's like he cornered her to leave her no choice but telling the truth. I know u're right, she's supposed to do that, to protect her husband, but at this point, especially after he said he didn't sleep, it's disrespectful to not tell him the truth.

Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably :FacePalm:
She shows in this kind of relation a two face.
On the phone with her son she asked him to tell her everything like there is no border between a mom and her son and begins to tell him about his birth.
With Hutch she shows a complete other side of hers, like he's still a kid, breakable, a kid who wants to know where the babies come from and she tells about the cranes.
 
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In the end I hope they stay together. Their still in love with each other they decide to live with their choices and move on. But they are never the same. Hutch is much colder Vivian becomes more docile and tortured. She has occasionally nightmares and panic attacks. They move away, son doesn't talk to his parents that often. End with them quietly eating dinner as the camera pans out the window an showing the couple looking down at their plates as they eat.
 
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In the end I hope they stay together. Their still in love with each other they decide to live with their choices and move on. But they are never the same. Hutch is much colder Vivian becomes more docile and tortured. She has occasionally nightmares and panic attacks. They move away, son doesn't talk to his parents that often. End with them quietly eating dinner as the camera pans out the window an showing the couple looking down at their plates as they eat.
...and every now and then, especially after a home game of the basketball team, Hutch rests on the couch while listening to mattresses symphony coming from their bedroom...
 

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Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence
 

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Not so sure... Dev said this was going to be a big test for Hutch and Vivian. Previews show 2 big event for them. Also said there will be a moment with the Mechanic that will test Vivian.
 
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Not so sure... Dev said this was going to be a big test for Hutch and Vivian. Previews show 2 big event for them. Also said there will be a moment with the Mechanic that will test Vivian.
if you have read the dialogue between vivian and the mechanic... there is 1 that says it all
see something you like and vivian replies no then says yes... interpret it however you want..
Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence
i tried opening up the script fill and failed ... so dunno what those tags are for.... it might just be place holders for the updates as a whole since its 4 updates to completing the vn. and you previous post even if its a sad ending i hope that this vn ends... not Gattsu#Struggler addition to the ending.... a big NO.
 
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Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence
#A Husband's Sacrifice
  • open up the marriage for Vivian but not for himself - a sacrifice Hutch is willing to pay for the love of his wife (from Hutch's manipulated pov)
#The Price of Love
  • open marriage becomes open source; rules are history; no secrets left; no details remain uncovered
#Shadows of Forgiveness
  • sth happens that causes Sawyer to keep distance from his parents
#Shadows of Silence
  • Sawyer trying to follow his mom with a car who is with Lamonte and giving him head while Lamonte drives her german car; Sawyer dies in an accident with his car; marriage re-establishment successful but overshadowed with mutual muteness
 
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#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence
#A Husband's Sacrifice = a focus on Hutch, and what he sacrifices on the way to keep his marriage together.

#The Price of Love = a focus on Vivian, as she does her whoring.

#Shadows of Forgiveness = the couple try to come back together again, as husband and wife. Maybe Hutch even fucks her again.

#Shadows of Silence = but it doesn't work. There's been too much, and the marriage breaks down, each going their separate ways.
 

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Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#A Husband's Sacrifice : we saw it, explained by the end of the chapter

#The Price of Love : I think it echoes with this sentence of Christian :
"When a man realizes he's fallin in love, it's not a joyous day. It's a somber day.""Because he realizes he now has to step up and be that provider... be that protector. His life's roll has forever changed." "When you love them so much you give them whatever their little heart's desire..." "... even if you wished they didn't.".
I think it's supposed to transition from a reluctant Vivian to a more enthousiast participant in Christian's games.

#Shadows of Forgiveness : The most enigmatic. It leaves the impression a reonciliation between the 2 of them would at some point be possible. Maybe Vivian has realized Chrstian is a POS, maybe Hutch has "cheated" also. Idk, we'll see.

#Shadows of Forgiveness : Somebody has used the word "ominous" for this title and i couldn't agree more. Looks like something terrible will happen for the couple and even the family.
 

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I know the dev is obliged to take some "arrangements" with the logic to tell the story he wants to tell, but don't say Vivian is smart, please. Nor that she's strong, all we have seen indicates the opposite.
It comes across as Vivian thinking she's wise enough to know what needs to be done. But honestly her character feels more naive, and quite narcissistic. Everything she is doing is not for Hutch, nor for the two of them, its clearly for herself.
The dev has done a good job, of adding misdirection in her dialog (intentional or unintentional), to make it sound like she thinks she is caring for her family, but come-on! Who continuously fucks their husband's boss for any reason other their selfish reasons? Especially knowing it would not be something their husband would want, and would hurt them immeasurably if the find out!

That's why I said their relationship is superficial.
Vivian doesn't admit she cheated on him because she fears it could break him, neither does Hutch about his knowledge because he's affraid of losing her.
Every question is followed by a counter question. It's like they lived a life for 22 years like neighbors and not like a couple.
From experience, being in a long term marriage, husband and wife tend to develop assigned roles, tasks and chores in the relationship. Sounds like Vivian probably had a more prominent role in the decision making for the family, but that isn't a sign of weakness in Hutch. I allow my wife get away with lots of stuff, and make many choices, gladly compromising to keep her happy. (She does for me too.) It isn't happy wife = happy life, but happy spouse = happy house.
I figure Hutch for the most part, is similar in that respect.
Her refusal to admit to her cheating by constantly lying would be killing him every time her talks to her or thinks about her.
And he has given her plenty of opportunities.
Christian seeing this dynamic as a weakness just shows how little he understands a real relationship, that isn't just sex.

Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably
Must be her M.O. don't you think? I mean she used sex to try and manipulate Christian too, only she was the one who got played. Christian has realized that about her, and that's why he want's her to use her sex appeal to woo clients.
Hutch, after 22 years, is capable to resist her charms when needed. In this circumstance, resisting her was child's play.
 

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I have many theories if these titles really mean anything.

#A Husband's Sacrifice-Hutch watches and is told of Vivians exploits and future acts for him and the company.(cliffhanger someone was recording the purple dress scene)

#The Price of Love-Twins have a video of her actions and if she doesn't play with them as well they will tell Sawyer.(cliffhanger Sawyer finds out by accidently seeing the video)

#Shadows of Forgiveness-Sawyer reveals to his dad what her saw, Hutch is furious approaches Christian and Vivian and tells what has happened. Vivian contacts son but doesn't want to talk to her.(cliffhanger the twins go missing)

#Shadows of Silence-Hutch goes home tells Vivian this must end if it doesn't its over. Vivian agrees but Christian has claimed her and will not let her go. He threatens Hutch Vivian kills him calls Hutch and they get rid of the body. They go home to find Sawyer in the living room he reveals he killed the twins. After a long talk they decide they will wait a while till things settle then leave.
 

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From experience, being in a long term marriage, husband and wife tend to develop assigned roles, tasks and chores in the relationship. Sounds like Vivian probably had a more prominent role in the decision making for the family, but that isn't a sign of weakness in Hutch. I allow my wife get away with lots of stuff, and make many choices, gladly compromising to keep her happy. (She does for me too.) It isn't happy wife = happy life, but happy spouse = happy house.
I figure Hutch for the most part, is similar in that respect.
I'm glad you have a balanced relationship with your wife.
But with regard to Hutch we witnessed he's just terrible in decision making. Be it buying a car (expensive german car with hick ups) for his wife or finding a solution for his dilemma at work. All that leads to the assumption that Vivian had to step up in their marriage to take over the position of the head of the family. She takes the responsibility of the needs of the family and Hutch just provides most of the money. This not a healthy compromis in a relationship.
 
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the assumption that Vivian had to step up in their marriage to take over the position of the head of the family.
She simply takes it from him, she doesn't HAVE to. Which is confirmed by the fact that she does it behind his back which is unbelievably stupid because by this very fact she destroys his standing at the job which she supposedly wants to secure. That shows that it's not responsibility but ego and panic on her side. She oversteps and hurts him and their common interest thereby.
 

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All that leads to the assumption that Vivian had to step up in their marriage to take over the position of the head of the family. She takes the responsibility of the needs of the family and Hutch just provides most of the money. This not a healthy compromis in a relationship.
As you wrote: takes is the key word, and that's the issue. Its not about the family, it's about her.
It isn't healthy if she does not listen to Hutch, and vice versa. I guess the dynamic worked for them in the past. It isn't working going forward.
To paraphrase Vivian: "Your the man of the house Hutch AnD mAke AlL tHe DesiciOns, if you want me to continue fucking your boss, even though I can chose not to, I will, because that's what you truly want!, Oh and I love you mOrE tHaN aNyThIng"

The more I analyze the game (which I've got no idea why I am.... thanks a lot SC games!), the more pathetic I found Vivian's character. It's like her external beauty is inversely proportional to her internal ugliness.
How could someone who supposedly loves their husband more than anything, expect him to work for the guy she is cheating with. Surely she knows how fucked that is, and how much it would hurt her husband!
 

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She simply takes it from him, she doesn't HAVE to. Which is confirmed by the fact that she does it behind his back which is unbelievably stupid because by this very fact she destroys his standing at the job which she supposedly wants to secure. That shows that it's not responsibility but ego and panic on her side. She oversteps and hurts him and their common interest thereby.
I have said that before but Viviane often behaves more like a mother than a spouse with Hutch. You can see it by the nicknames she gives him : "My sweet Prince", "My sweet baby". Even the body language, sometimes :


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An nothing kills more the desire in a couple than the man not looking after himself or unable to stand up for himself. A lot of guys who have dead bedroom marriage don't get that. That being said :

- the guy provides for the family
- in 40 years of marriage, my dad never bought a car to my mother or any kind of big ticket item. Hutch did.
- He's a good father and a good husband.

Are these elements explaining partly Vivian's cheating ? Maybe. Is it an excuse ? Absolutely not.

The more I analyze the game (which I've got no idea why I am.... thanks a lot SC games!), the more pathetic I found Vivian's character. It's like her external beauty is inversely proportional to her internal ugliness.
How could someone who supposedly loves their husband more than anything, expect him to work for the guy she is cheating with. Surely she knows how fucked that is, and how much it would hurt her husband!
Tbh, Hutch's final stance doesnt make sense either. Idk if he knows that Vivian knows he knows (Ooof), but it's an insane response to the situation they're in. But i guess, we'll get more info later.
 

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I have said that before but Viviane often behaves more like a mother than a spouse with Hutch. You can see it by the nicknames she gives him : "My sweet Prince", "My sweet baby". Even the body language, sometimes :


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An nothing kills more the desire in a couple than the man not looking after himself or unable to stand up for himself. A lot of guys who have dead bedroom marriage don't get that. That being said :

- the guy provides for the family
- in 40 years of marriage, my dad never bought a car to my mother or any kind of big ticket item. Hutch did.
- He's a good father and a good husband.

Are these elements explaining partly Vivian's cheating ? Maybe. Is it an excuse ? Absolutely not.



Tbh, Hutch's final stance doesn't make sense either. Idk if he knows that Vivian knows he knows (Ooof), but it's an insane response to the situation they're in. But i guess, we'll get more info later.
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she not do to help husband she want it
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Here is my take on her sex with Christian. Vivian mentioned to Christian the Hutch does satisfy her but needs to have some help sometimes (blue pill) to get started. She also mentioned to Hutch he was a tiger when she wore a sexy nightgown. So I think Hutch and Vivian have fallen into that stale bedroom. So here comes Christian... a sex dynamo .. Vivian doesn't know what to do . She hates him but loves the sex. Only think hutch can do is open the marriage for now. He has to let that run it's course. She has to be the one to stop.. Right now she can't... says she will ...but she can't
 
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