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Akeraux
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Apologies accepted.
Honestly, I thought that we could squeeze from you some future details from both plots, that would have been awesome considering it will take a while for the next updates to arrive...But i'll take what you said about some "inmutable facts" at least for now.
*Tips fedora*
SymbioticLife
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We can't do that obviously, but both SoA and MNGF have big - and almost entirely SEPARATE I want to make that very clear - plans. I have the utmost faith in both CG and Abyss to deliver a unique, interesting and - most importantly - incredibly sexy narrative. If I didn't believe in the projects I wouldn't give my time to helping with them. Neither would cho.
I think a lot of people can assume already a lot of the things that will happen, but often probably not in the ways and contexts they might have in their own minds. And they also might not think a lot of things will happen that will... ultimately that will depend on how good one is at reading carefully the things that are said.
Neither game caters to any one specific fetish, and I always have said those who enjoy the broadest number of types of content (be it NTS, swinging, cuckquean, stepcest, harem, IR, exhibitionism etc etc etc) will find the most enjoyment. But both games are DIFFERENT and cater to different fetishes to different degrees despite a lot of overlap. The two games can best be summed up by "Corruption and Debauchery" rather than hyper-focusing on specific genres.
(As a small aside, as I've seen it mentioned a few times here that in SoA girls are only corrupted by the Nyct X, that's untrue, it's essentially a new hyped aphrodisiac drug sold in the city but it's like saying alcohol and E are the only causes of promiscuity in our world which obviously isn't the case. It also won't feature in MNGF at all).
Akeraux
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...And this is what I wanted to read.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
PS: big fan of your art style btw *wink*
ryg88
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Thought this has always been the case and the appearance of characters from other VNs are just cameos. Less of a cross-over and more of fan service. Kinda like a "hey, it's that guy from ___ show" situation.
VoyeurRed
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I was going to ask the same thing, I took some away so the updates can rack up, but I'm seeing "after party v.2".....what changed?
I hope we get a cross over for the main characters of both SOA and MNGF for an exchange of both girlfriends in the future 
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Absolute gem. Tbh, the use of existing characters from other IPs made me hold off from even trying this game for a long time, kinda like how I never play “real porn” tag games. I just can’t get immersed in those sort of games when I know the character/pornstar from their original works.
But I gave it a shot and found the writing and creative plot amazing. It’s so well done, i completely forget most of these characters are not even original to the game, but to be fair, I haven’t watched most of the shows the characters are from so I guess that helps with the immersion. Safe to say, those shows are prob ruined for me now lol.
But it did get me thinking why they choose to use the appearance(and even names) of characters from other IP instead of making something original. Then I played Shadows of Ambition and realized exactly why. Don’t get me wrong, the AI art in SoA is great, but compared to this, its sadly a step down. AI apparently still have a hard time with consistency of custom characters, hence using existing IP characters with a lot more “data” behind it for the AI to work with creates more consistency and capability for complicated and unique CG that look better.
SoA is still very close in image quality and consistency tho, its mostly lacking in unique designs(many characters look too similar). So it’s hard to judge weather taking a step down in CG quality for unique characters is worth it, I can imagine its more work getting the art to look right too.
Overall, amazing game, just wish it didn’t have to plagiarize existing characters but I do understand the reasoning behind it.
But I gave it a shot and found the writing and creative plot amazing. It’s so well done, i completely forget most of these characters are not even original to the game, but to be fair, I haven’t watched most of the shows the characters are from so I guess that helps with the immersion. Safe to say, those shows are prob ruined for me now lol.
But it did get me thinking why they choose to use the appearance(and even names) of characters from other IP instead of making something original. Then I played Shadows of Ambition and realized exactly why. Don’t get me wrong, the AI art in SoA is great, but compared to this, its sadly a step down. AI apparently still have a hard time with consistency of custom characters, hence using existing IP characters with a lot more “data” behind it for the AI to work with creates more consistency and capability for complicated and unique CG that look better.
SoA is still very close in image quality and consistency tho, its mostly lacking in unique designs(many characters look too similar). So it’s hard to judge weather taking a step down in CG quality for unique characters is worth it, I can imagine its more work getting the art to look right too.
Overall, amazing game, just wish it didn’t have to plagiarize existing characters but I do understand the reasoning behind it.
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So I'm curious after having a debate elsewhere - how did people feel about the final scene between mc, Vi, ari, and Sai? Were they pissed he was even there? or did it flow well, or what?
Generally, I liked it a lot and have no issues with it overall, especially in the context of the story so far.
That said, I had only one quibble based solely on my own personal preferences: I'm a pretty big fan of all things NTR/NTS (sharing, swinging, cheating, corruption, etc.) and while I don't mind cuck content, I don't care much for the straight humiliation aspect of it. In Sai's case, maybe the extent to which he's into that was (intentionally or unintentionally) misrepresented, but he didn't seem like he was having a great time, and I didn't like that aspect much. Like, Ari leaving him hanging to help Vi with MC was great, and I'm sure he enjoyed *that* aspect of it, but Ari piling on the insults seemed a bit over the top (to me) based on what we know of their relationship to this point.
I mean, yeah, he got off in the end, but it almost seemed like mean for the sake of being mean. Some guys love that, and that's great. I'm not convinced Sai's one of them, and that was a bit uncomfortable ... but not enough to ruin the scene.
Wolverine923
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I don't quite understand what I just launched? Why couldn't this "FINAL" update of part 5 be released on May 22 or early April with the supposed DLC about the main character's sister? Are we now going to get pitiful crumbs each time consisting of 5-10 pictures and a script of 5 sentences in 17 font, which fit on one A4 sheet? It seems that free money spoils the developers of such novels.
I also thought Sai humiliations were a bit much. I mean, I generally don't care that much about that kind of things if it fits the overall story, but MNG is soo careful about the ego of the MC, and in my eyes the game regularly sends the message to the player "it's a very sensitive subject warning". But somehow if it's your friend and not you, the game goes all out in a complete U turn. Weird.
That being said, if the author has some particular kinks they want to explore (like big dicks vs small peepee(actually average)), I think they should just do it. Very often, a story feels more natural and raw (thus enjoyable to me) if they don't try to cater to any crowd seeing things differently. Devs always do to some degree though, but it's generally better when it's kept to a minimum.
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D3vilMan
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Mr.Johnson
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A bird that offers nothing of its own, but only chirps noisily, should be happy if it gets crumbs.
SymbioticLife
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Youre free to to criticize if you want, but if we are being factual the latest update added around 50 images (you can find them in the two dlc folders with silver in the name) several animations and hundreds of line of script in 2 weeks. Given the quality of said work I find it hard to reason how hed be any faster and I can assure you he was working on it a lot daily.
SymbioticLife
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It's the same scenes, but there is content added to the end of the Anya DLC (starting from the point Rob cums) and the After Party (starting from the point Ari joins Vi). The After Party in particular had a lot of content added/improved.
Generally, I liked it a lot and have no issues with it overall, especially in the context of the story so far.
That said, I had only one quibble based solely on my own personal preferences: I'm a pretty big fan of all things NTR/NTS (sharing, swinging, cheating, corruption, etc.) and while I don't mind cuck content, I don't care much for the straight humiliation aspect of it. In Sai's case, maybe the extent to which he's into that was (intentionally or unintentionally) misrepresented, but he didn't seem like he was having a great time, and I didn't like that aspect much. Like, Ari leaving him hanging to help Vi with MC was great, and I'm sure he enjoyed *that* aspect of it, but Ari piling on the insults seemed a bit over the top (to me) based on what we know of their relationship to this point.
I mean, yeah, he got off in the end, but it almost seemed like mean for the sake of being mean. Some guys love that, and that's great. I'm not convinced Sai's one of them, and that was a bit uncomfortable ... but not enough to ruin the scene.
Yup, those were pretty much my thoughts, on the whole I enjoyed it, but the over-the-top taunting took away from the hotness. It'd be different if Sai was more into it, nervous but cheering them on. For me the sticking point was less Ari taunting and more MC kinda playing the role of a fuckboi getting sucked by a rando's gf, not his best friend's gf.
You bring up a good point fabulous, the juxtaposition between having little empathy for treating others badly and simultaneously having an mc/narration sensitive to slights against him, too much of that and it starts feeling like you're playing 'incel simulator 2000'.
For sure that's not the bulk of game now, this was just one small scene I would have written differently.
I'll be very honest here, I am not a fan of the Sharing, NTS, and even less NTR themes, in the first place.
I am, by definition, your very "usual" enjoyer of boring vanilla, harem and stepcest themes.
However, this scene and in retrospect all the ones leading to it from the previous chapters (Ari's teasing phone conversations with Eric, Sai opening up to him at the park, admitting that he was leaning into this role more and more, and so on...) have been carefully crafted to help us witness how Sai slowly gets to embrace this new kink of his.
He might not have fully realized it yet, but it is getting clear that he will get more and more gratification from the feelings of loss of control, shaming, and so on, that Ari imposes on him.
And at the same time, we can witness the opposite transformation of Eric, who at first is reluctant to "inflict" that to his friend, but is getting quite elated on the domination and claiming aspect of it all.
In this scene, neither of them truly embraces their feelings and desires, but we can sense that they are starting to trip on the other side of the fence, pushed by the very strong Ari-Vi duo.
To me, it acts as a pivot, where both of them get to come to the realization of what they want, deep down.
MNGF plays, before anything else, with the idea of corruption and embracing repressed or newly found desires and kinks.
I'm looking forward, as much as you are, to what the future holds for these characters.
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