VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [Ch. 4] [CircleGames]

[tallman102]

Not yet, like chapter 4 I will anounce the date once I know it's certain, meaning it will be anounced pretty close to the actual release itself...As a costumer I always felt sad when my fav projects didn't get an update on christmas time and I would love to have the chapter 5 ready by christmas or new years eve but at the same time I am not willing to cut the content of the chapter for that to be possible, this one will have a lot of scenes with mutiple girls and that takes a lot of time in Photoshop to bring to life at the quality level I desire...But it's early december so there's no point in talking about release date for anyone wondering, I will adress that closer to christmas.

Keep at it champ. Lot of noise in this thread but you seem to have a great system and idea around development. Story and visuals are some the best I've seen on this site. Nobody has ratcheted and kept the tension so high for so long, teasing and pushing the MC, and then the payoff is always worth it!

 

[hayrullahdelisi]

NO TO MULTIPLE PATHS ! Please...
You will not be able to satisfy everyone anyway.
I kinda agree, that making every girl into a slut out of nowhere, is a bit cheap even for a game that basically doesn't have a plot.
My suggestion is to balance a bit the level of slutiness and sharing/NTR of the characters like:
Laura: the most ""romantic"" character in this corruption fuckfest game
Anya: still innocent but entering this world of corruption and sharing
Vi: Perfect example of NTS and exhibitionism, doing this for MC
Maki: The ultra slut! Not sure if it's going to have any actual NTR, but Makima is a NTR character itself.
Ari: the biggest slut. Poor saitama
It's just an EXAMPLE, but this makes the characters a bit different with different approaches and fetishes in a simple way. If someone doesn't like it, then just hit ctrl and skip. You know, the game doesn't have to be perfect for you to enjoy it.

This is basically the summary of what i have been trying to say. This game’s entire plot revolves around sexual interaction and when you give everyone the same sexual interaction, it loses all its meaning.

Your example was great. Not everyone needs to be NTS material and not everyone needs to sleep with MC. Yet as you can see from dev’s answer to me, he intends to give same path to everyone. Every single one of female characters will sleep with MC and all of them will be subject to NTS.

I would say it is a waste of good potential, but judging by dev’s constant “XD” reactions, it is clear he wasn’t capable of telling a coherent story from the beginning.

 

[Dercuillo]

My suggestion is to balance a bit the level of slutiness and sharing/NTR of the characters like:
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Good job describing the game so far!

 

[Nick_Lisa]

So what is the problem with NTR/Swinging that people seem to be so offended about?

And whats up with people saying that the characters are too slutty?
As somebody with actual experience, I can tell you from memory that I have never seen more slutty women than in this scene, which totally makes sense.

Once you commit to it, its all about lust, pleasure and letting yourself go in a way that you never have before, you're not in it to impress others...

 

[hayrullahdelisi]

So what is the problem with NTR/Swinging that people seem to be so offended about?

And whats up with people saying that the characters are too slutty?
As somebody with actual experience, I can tell you from memory that I have never seen more slutty women than in this scene, which totally makes sense.

Once you commit to it, its all about lust, pleasure and letting yourself go in a way that you never have before, you're not in it to impress others...

It is not about them being slutty. It is about we seeing the same dynamic with every single character. We can see the slutty side of NTS with Vi. And that is great. Can't we have a character who isn't get involved in NTS for a change? Does every character have to be carbon copy of each other?

And ok, let's say dev really wants to do corrupted shit. Fine. Let's have a character who really humiliates MC and doesn't even sleep with him. Well we can't have that too. Apperantly every single character has to sleep with MC and be involved in light NTS.

No one is offended by NTS. People are pissed about dev's claim of every single character will follow the same path.

But you know what? I am done. Apperantly people are pleased with dev's claim of everyone following the same identical path. Good luck with your harem light NTS game.

 

[kikomascado]

Hopefully we won't see any more of the same complaint over and over again, and the dev will indeed continue with his vision.

 

[SymbioticLife]

In regards to paths; It's not just the code and script, but also a ton more images to generate, more story to develop. The more routes with various characters, the more complicated it gets. You'll have to plan ahead like...alot, otherwise you might eventually run into situations where previous scenes won't make sense based on dialogue or interactions between characters unless every individual route never crosses another, but at that point it's like creating a game inside the game and basically doubles or triples your workload if you wanna provide content for every route in every update, making a single update take way longer to develop (nobody wants that). And if you don't do that, you'll have to constantly go back in the story and create content for routes that have been left behind for months or however long, which all things considered would be a net-negative for everyone.

Way too many developers go down this path and we all know how it ends in most cases. 1-2 updates a year with luck or straight up abandoned. The way CG is doing it is, in my opinion, the way to go. Tons of people really enjoy his vision and the story, and those who don't, well, shit out of luck I guess. There are plenty other games to play.

I mean, there are rather simple choices like "Fuck character X in doggystyle / missionary / the good old Tokyo Sandblaster" as those kind of choices don't really have to affect future scenes, not much extra writing, only a handful of extra images, but creating entirely different choice-based routes for several characters is a pretty big task unless you have a dev-team behind you or the money to commission/outsource entire scenes. And even then, the time required to think of new content for each route alone is a mission in itself and a pretty darn exhausting creative task. This might work better if the entire game is planned out before the first image is generated as then you'd just follow the already existing script. Or, as you mentioned before, after the base game is finished (DLC). But it's questionable if the dev would be able to keep his fanbase around for god knows how long until he can start a new project due to the work on an already finished game.

Anyway.. Wall of text achieved!

Agree with all of this but you're even underestimating the image difficulty to a degree, not the rendering of course which is fairly easy all things considered (although you do want to make your renders interesting/unique and not rote/repetitive) but rather the image editing portion can be very cumbersome if you want to make a quality product. Time spent in photoshop will greatly outstrip time spent prompting once you start to put a quality product together.

 

[CircleGames]

Hopefully we won't see any more of the same complaint over and over again, and the dev will indeed continue with his vision.

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

 

[JohnSmith7]

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

Dont listen to them, this is one of my favorite ongoing projects, keep it up.

 

[FayePlays]

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

Well, next time you see someone criticise yourself or your work, take it on board, give it some time to digest what they've said and ask yourself, "Why should I care what some wanker jacking off on a message board says anyway?"

 

[xLordByronx]

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

Keep at it mr. CircleGames. I assume this is a passion project? You should not care much about what people think, unless they are your patreons, and even then, their influence should be minimal. Because you are the creator, and you have your own vision, motives, and ideas, your own autonomy in other words. If I pay someone, I do it because I already like what they do, not because I want them to be my puppet and do as I please. If I think the game, or whatever it is, should be made a certain way, then I should do it myself not pay someone else to do it.
This is a common problem with games: they are treated as mere products to be made at the consumer's whims, irrespective of the creator's intentions and plans. This is not right because many times the consumer, in fact, is mistaken about what he wants, how he wants it, etc. Most videogames would suck ass or would turn into some generic garbage if the devs did everything the consumer asked of them. I think everything should be done in moderation. Pay heed to what people say, but you are the ultimate authority with regards the final product. I say this as a writer of short stories, I rarely care what people think of what I write; I write as I like, because it is for my own enjoyment, for my leisure, and if some like it, cool, but it is not my primary objective.

Your game is good, for a first try, and also your english is fine. I am as well not a native english speaker (Chilean), and your english is better than most anglosaxon born people.

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[CircleGames]

Keep at it mr. CircleGames. I assume this is a passion project? You should not care much about what people think, unless they are your patreons, and even then, their influence should be minimal. Because you are the creator, and you have your own vision, motives, and ideas, your own autonomy in other words. If I pay someone, I do it because I already like what they do, not because I want them to be my puppet and do as I please. If I think the game, or whatever it is, should be made a certain way, then I should do it myself not pay someone else to do it.
This is a common problem with games: they are treated as mere products to be made at the consumer's whims, irrespective of the creator's intentions and plans. This is not right because many times the consumer, in fact, is mistaken about what he wants, how he wants it, etc. Most videogames would suck ass or would turn into some generic garbage if the devs did everything the consumer asked of them. I think everything should be done in moderation. Pay heed to what people say, but you are the ultimate authority with regards the final product (I say this as a writer of short stories, I rarely care what people think of what I write).

Also, your english is fine. I am as well not a native english speaker (Chilean), and your english is better than most anglosaxon born people.

Thank you good sir, you wrote exactly how I feel honestly...I also figured you were involved in some sort of creative endevour by the way you talk and know this issues in customer/dev relationships, and it turns out to be true since you then said you are a writer, as a graphic designer I also learned that the costumer most of the times doesn't know what he wants. One of the things in this case that people think they want but don't actually want is a faster pace in the history, they are just dying to see certain scenarios without caring how that affects the project and how that robs the project of tension and build up...But yes, I do hear what people say but I don't take anything serious in terms of letting it affect my work, unless it's just great criticism and it has happen before, there's a difference between having someone trying to impose their view on the project and someone that gives the creator an outside perspective, is my job to recognise the difference and use it to improve the project

 

[xLordByronx]

Thank you good sir, you wrote exactly how I feel honestly...I also figured you were involved in some sort of creative endevour by the way you talk and know this issues in customer/dev relationships, and it turns out to be true since you then said you are a writer, as a graphic designer I also learned that the costumer most of the times doesn't know what he wants. One of the things in this case that people think they want but don't actually want is a faster pace in the history, they are just dying to see certain scenarios without caring how that affects the project and how that robs the project of tension and build up...But yes, I do hear what people say but I don't take anything serious in terms of letting it affect my work, unless it's just great criticism and it has happen before, there's a difference between having someone trying to impose their view on the project and someone that gives the creator an outside perspective, is my job to recognise the difference and use it to improve the project

A concrete example of just trusting the creator, for me, is the introduction of the older sister, I was not expecting it at all. And if somebody asked me beforehand, I would not have thought about it. Yet, her appearance and scenes, for me, are some of the hottest; as good, if not better, than Vi xD.

So yes, keep doing you CircleGames.

 

[CircleGames]

A concrete example of just trusting the creator, for me, is the introduction of the older sister, I was not expecting it at all. And if somebody asked me beforehand, I would not have thought about it. Yet, her appearance and scenes, for me, are some of the hottest; as good, if not better, than Vi xD.

So yes, keep doing you CircleGames.

 

[Keko!]

A concrete example of just trusting the creator, for me, is the introduction of the older sister, I was not expecting it at all. And if somebody asked me beforehand, I would not have thought about it. Yet, her appearance and scenes, for me, are some of the hottest; as good, if not better, than Vi xD.

So yes, keep doing you CircleGames.

yep, she's my favorite.

 

[KingsRaiden]

To touch on a couple things I have seen mentioned here:

• Game is good as is, a nice slow corruption burn with some realism brought into it, and not everyone goes full on slut right away
• GF loves teasing and exploring boundaries, with the slutty friend willing to push her along with the BF who, while a little submissive in it looks to be able to have some interest in watching the incidents unfold and help push her boundaries
• A sexy step-mom with an adult friend ready to corrupt her, providing a better basis for corruption than the step-son suddenly being seen as "the man" to corrupt her
• A flirty step sister ready to push boundaries, and willing to help corrupt her step-bro and those around him
• English is fine, I didn't notice many issues and that's usually the first thing I notice.

Overall a nice NTS game with a lot of promise, can't wait to see where it goes.

 

[Kulman]

I like to get into these games when there is enough content with main LI. Can someone spoil me if some cheating with actual content is happening yet? Like at least something like hj/bj etc, doesnt have to be sex.

 

[kikomascado]

I like to get into these games when there is enough content with main LI. Can someone spoil me if some cheating with actual content is happening yet? Like at least something like hj/bj etc, doesnt have to be sex.

Not yet.

 

[ItsNotUs]

So what is the problem with NTR/Swinging that people seem to be so offended about?

And whats up with people saying that the characters are too slutty?
As somebody with actual experience, I can tell you from memory that I have never seen more slutty women than in this scene, which totally makes sense.

Once you commit to it, its all about lust, pleasure and letting yourself go in a way that you never have before, you're not in it to impress others...

Those, seeing how a black man fucks a beautiful MILF, do you immediately become a BBC slut?

 

[SymbioticLife]

I like to get into these games when there is enough content with main LI. Can someone spoil me if some cheating with actual content is happening yet? Like at least something like hj/bj etc, doesnt have to be sex.

There's no plans for "cheating" but if you mean the sharing/swinging/netorase then nothing yet, it's a slow burn. If that's the only thing you're playing for (which I think is limiting, there's already plenty of great content) then I'd wait probably a couple more updates to check back. There's already several incredible sex scenes though, they're just either between the MC and the LI or between other people entirely.