Swiver
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But every white girl also had some event with a white presenting dude too, and those events are most of the content by your own scientific method...So what's your point? Melanin heavy people shouldn't have less content? How much? What's the ratio for a cartoon game to not threaten your patronage?
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long for the day when "intermixing" is more normal than lowkey bringing apartheid back / people should only copulate with those that look like their cousins.
Beyond any one game I think the BBC issue is quite important for everyone in general if taken seriously. Some things being said are interesting but it gets messy because it's in the context of discussing this or that game AND because what a given opinion and where it's coming from are different things, so it's confusing. Someone saying for example I hate BBC stuff could be saying it because they're a racist, because they're fed-up with how often it appears, maybe they get triggered by NTR which has come to be associated with it, or perhaps they find the fetishization of race racist. And of course some commenters could argue based on false grounds, like pseudo-marketing bullshit, they could even believe it.I see the BBC debate has flared up again.
It's been said many times that BBC isn't the main theme of the game, just one of many. But the discussion keeps coming up again and again, like a broken record.
I think I understand why this happens. Many people like the game and are afraid it might turn into a cliched BBC plot. However, personally I don't see any reason for concern. I'm sure the author won't copy tired stereotypes.
I'm not a BBC fan myself, and here's why:
In almost all NTR/NTS games where I've seen black characters, they seem to be made at the same factory - huge, unnaturally muscular, with rough faces and, of course, the obligatory "giant package".
The plot methods are equally predictable: deception, coercion, framing, betrayal, violence, blackmail, drugs... When you see the same thing over and over, it inevitably becomes irritating.
Recently I played an NTR game where the MC had a black friend. At first he seemed like a good guy, but as soon as an opportunity arose, he immediately started blackmailing the MC into letting him sleep with his wife. At that moment I mentally sighed: "Here we go again..."
When I first played MNG and saw the neighbor introduction scene (when his face took up almost the whole screen), my first thought was: "Oh, you here too? Did you move here from another game specifically to annoy me again?"
But the recent updates convinced me that the author isn't planning to make a cliched BBC story.
The new neighbors are just normal people: the father works at a club, the sons are athletes. No criminal activity, no violence, no blackmail or spiked drinks. They're just a family with... peculiar interests who offer: "Want to have fun together?", but don't force anyone.
That's exactly why BBC in MNG doesn't put me off. What's more, in my opinion, the very fact that the game features black characters who are just regular people (no drug dealers, no criminals, no typical NTR villains) already makes it worthy of the 'NTS Game of the Year' title.
Devs on the other hand mainly draw their stuff from entertainment culture which includes explicit pornography as well as films, music clips and nowadays social media thirst trap stuff and they try to cater to our requests. To what degree and based on what devs should be praised or criticised varies depending on their awareness and ability to hear. The level of seriousness dev or commenter takes everything with may matter or may be irrelevant.
It is easy to recognise accusations of propagating BBC stuff as having potential racist undertones, though it could easily be an anrgy fan reducing a game to the feature they hate in it because they can't ignore it (this can be trolling, depending). I also see no problem discussing about or with a dev I like, like aDDont or indeed Circle and Symbiotic to what extent their depiction of BBC does share in a culture of fetishizing race and othering black men (and hope they don't mind). This is a far cry from comparing them to this racist piece of shit which is designed to offend. I can believe Addont when he says he just likes the skin colour contrast and respect that that's the extent of seriousness he considers his game to have as regards this issue (which is rather fair). I understand most devs are only part of a proliferating trend. I know they hardly invented a fetish and are probably not doing anything intentionally. They may actually be trying to do something positive like recontextualizing black people in a suburban environment instead of the ghetto from pre-Blacked.com porn (this is integration, which I actually don't like, but it's the mainstream reform trend so you can't accuse a single application of it alone).
From there we can also critique and compare representations. So, for example, I can say the friendly gym dude in SoA , though still constituting stereotyping, othering etc., is a better image than misogynistic business men and incestuous neighbors. I also observe that the business bros from Mila are the most in-line with the trendiest representation of the decade (black.com types) and the one here in MNG is the most off-beat. Another point of interest I am growing to wonder about is attempts to represent black girls, am I right they are surprisingly often un-stereotyped, identical in body, facial features and even character to white girls minus the melanin?
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