Hello guys. I am looking for a specific game here with the same art. It is about a guy who work in a big hotel with bitch female boss. Can you help me with the name of the game ?
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PragmaticCynic
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No, she was not presented as an OogleFans model, just someone that could be "interesting" to look into. But don't worry, you'll get exactly what you wish for!
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I am not against any development of the plot, this is an author's project!
I don't understand why he should be subject to someone else's opinion.
Before us unfolded a scene where Vi and Luke seemed to have "crossed the line", but devs are collecting feedback now the scene will be changed, either it will not be Vi at all, or she will no longer suck, or maybe it is no longer Luke, but another actor... This confuses even more!
And the question then is, why have this scene at all - to deceive Erik or to deceive the players?
No matter how i feel about this scene, i am in favor of not changing anything.
I agree with those who say that the plot needs to be developed, but i also agree with those who say that this is already the 6th update and dev need to show "something bigger".
And if we are already drawing parallels between the two projects, then Alice has gone much further than Vi, although she needs to be pushed in that direction.
Obviously, this scene should have been done differently. Even if Vi is independent in her actions, she should have been present in the scene with Ari and directly tease Eric with her photos, participating in the whole scene. She sucked someone at a photo shoot, and Eric will get a dirty slut girlfriend and a threesome with her and Ari, where Vi allowed or pushed him to fuck her friend in the ass to even the score.
If the developer removes the concept of what happened entirely, i.e., Vi didn't perform oral sex on anyone, it wasn't her at all, or she was just taking pictures next to a dick, or for example, just masturbated him, then this project will lag even further in terms of plot advancement compared to his Cameo Associate!
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Now i think there is no doubt that the dev showed us originally.
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I can answer on that to clarify, based on what has been written in the VN conversations.
Laura and her husband tried to have children of their own, but never could (probably for biological reasons).
They (or at least Laura) desperately wanted to raise kids, so they decided to adopt Maki, then Eric, then finally Anya.
Then Laura's husband left them years ago, leaving the family structure as it is.
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Not at all, that's completely beside the point. The main complaints about the CG weren't that the characters were depraved too slowly—the real problem was the drawn-out release schedule. The story itself unfolded at a natural pace.I've only seen people crying about the game being stretched out to milk the paying audience and how Vi will never engage in anything with other dudes. That's atleast what you've been reading the weeks prior to release. Some of these guys are thread-banned now I'm assuming as they were mostly just talking shit about anything and everything, but yeah.
But kinda funny reading the thread these past few days. It's either people crying that Vi's progression isn't fast enough or will never happen, or people saying it's too fast. Well I guess in the end the dev can't make everyone happy.
No one would have complained if the pacing had remained slow, as long as each chapter felt long and meaningful. Take Chapter 5, for example: it was developed in three months and released in January, with two DLCs added by the summer. In total, Chapter 5 took 6-8 months to complete.
If the story's pacing had remained steady, and the overall runtime had matched Chapter 5 and its DLC—but development had only taken three months instead of 6-8—then there wouldn't have been any complaints about the CG at all. This way, a well-written story remains intact, without any sudden jumps, and the audience doesn't lose immersion after a long wait.
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You've pretty much detailed why devs started a discord channel of their own and why most avoid F95 threads like the plague.I've only seen people crying about the game being stretched out to milk the paying audience and how Vi will never engage in anything with other dudes. That's atleast what you've been reading the weeks prior to release. Some of these guys are thread-banned now I'm assuming as they were mostly just talking shit about anything and everything, but yeah.
But kinda funny reading the thread these past few days. It's either people crying that Vi's progression isn't fast enough or will never happen, or people saying it's too fast. Well I guess in the end the dev can't make everyone happy.
Just look at how AbyssGames gets treated in this thread.
Everyone projects their own ideas onto a game and many get mad when a dev doesn't fulfill those personalized fantasies.
Luckily I think we've mostly moved on from the days of devs trying to people please the F95 fan base and just creating their projects the way they want to.
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Sorry, but the dev himself wrote that after the feedback he decided to change the concept of the last scene.
It's clear that this is not the opinion of people on the forum, but of his subscribers, but he will still change the scene because of their opinion!
That is, he pleases them with this.
Or am I wrong? And the opinion of the subscribers is different?
And what's wrong with people expressing their opinions - isn't that what a forum is for?
I am in accord with Dmitri here and that we keep comparing/crossing the Development cycle with story pace. As far as Story pacing goes there is not an issue even if the first act with another person is chapter 7-8. Start the game at cha1 and play through 6, you get there in no time at all. The pace feels solid. What is happening now is people are waiting months and month in between chapters and adding that time into "pace". The final product, no matter how long this ends up being, will see VI having sex with others in fairly short order.
I am also on record stating that this could have happened sooner in CH5 with no issue. It was not that VI has or will have sex with others, she will, we all know that. It was not that it happened too fast. It was how it was done and how that whole scene unfolded. It was just lackluster and felt out of place to me.
Will undoing it or changing it extended the "reveal" for months. Possibly so. Is that an issue of story pace? No. It is a development cycle issue. Should the author not make changes based on the fact that there is a development cycle? I say that CG can, but that is a question each consuming this will have to answer for themselves. As we can all just come back when the product is done and consume it then. For my part I do not see any of these releases as a final version of anything. CG should make changes but only if they feel it is valid to do so. Ultimately I have no idea what they will do. But what I do know is that VI having sex with others is absolutely part of the project timeline. But playing the game 1-6 the pace feels fine even if Vi has not done the BJ and it takes another chapter...it actually all happens pretty fast.
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I'm a little confused!
I didn't fully understand your point, to be honest!
You're talking about the pace of development, it's like you criticize this, when you immediately correct yourself by saying that in terms of the plot, everything is going as planned.
I already wrote that i support these two opinions to some extent.
If we take your words about the first scene of penetration to occur in the 7th-8th update, then according to the current pace of development, this will take more than a year!
If we take the Shadow into parallel, then by this time it will have already happened there!
Therefore, the dev must decide for himself what and when will happen, at least there will be no need to waste time on reworking!
Will try to clarify.
Firstly I am not criticizing the pace of the plot. I am merely saying that the pace of the plot is separate from the time it takes to release a chapter.
While I did state that the pace of the plot it fine either way, please note that such is only taking the current chapters into account. I have no clue how long or short this VN is supposed to be. If there are 50+ chapters planned then "pacing" might be too fast. If there are only 10 chapters planned, then it might be too slow. So I can only judge by what we have now. Also, I was not talking about penetration. Got no clue when that will happen, I was just talking oral. If the BJ scene is removed then it will happen in CH7 most likely.
As far as full sex goes, only 1 character in this game as had sex with multiple people, Ari. Only Ari and VI have had sex at all. Even Maki has not banged even one out yet.
But yes, whatever happens in cha7-8 could be anywhere from 6months to a year. My opinion is that you cannot judge the pace of the plot by the time it takes to release each chapter. Cause when I talk about pace, I mean story plot pacing, not development timeframes and vice versa.
Lastly, my issues with the scene are purely story structure based, I am not of the "milking" crowd or the group that does not want VI to engage with others. The act could have happen sooner or later, but if it was done in the exact same way it was I would still disagree with it.
Though as I write the above, it occurs to me that we have not even gotten to having an Animated scene for VI and Eric unless my memory is hazy, their only full sex encounter was stills only. So I would imagine that her next full sex scene would still be with Eric as her first animated penetration which is likely what CG was originally getting to as the "reclamation" scene that would have occurred in either Cha7/8 since the DLC would likely be (or have been) the full version of the photoshoot.
I mean obviously the devs are fully aware there are issues with the last scene. Otherwise the devs wouldn't be in here saying that they are interested in knowing what people want. CG literally said in his discord that he's spending the next few weeks changing the scene.
Are they doing it because they are listening to the fans or are they doing it because they aren't satisfied with it? Who cares, doesn't matter. Bottom line is there is alignment between the dev and people on this forum.
It's really funny to see there are specific people that spend their entire time just criticizing other people's thoughts. Like they complain that people "whine" about the game, yet all they do is whine about people talking...
Are they doing it because they are listening to the fans or are they doing it because they aren't satisfied with it? Who cares, doesn't matter. Bottom line is there is alignment between the dev and people on this forum.
It's really funny to see there are specific people that spend their entire time just criticizing other people's thoughts. Like they complain that people "whine" about the game, yet all they do is whine about people talking...
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Your memory is hazy. You can check the Chapter 2 and Chapter 4 animations under the images/video folder in the game files
Yep, you are correct. I did recall the BJ animation but my last push through of Cha4 must have been too fast and missed the full sex animations there. It seemed it that there wasn't such and now I know why, because I was in error.
I kinda liked the last update, I even liked the fact that some things were unclear (until next update). But I knew the scene would make a decent amount of people mad. So if I understand well, they'll will change their last scene based on feedbacks ? (once again?) I just skimmed the last few pages as there are a lot of comments.
If true, it's a bit worrying because they've been doing this in the past too, but back then someone from the dev's team said to me multiple times that the dev had a clear vision. I'm a bit skeptical, but hopefully I'm wrong.
Anyway, I had a fun time, as often with this game.
If true, it's a bit worrying because they've been doing this in the past too, but back then someone from the dev's team said to me multiple times that the dev had a clear vision. I'm a bit skeptical, but hopefully I'm wrong.
Anyway, I had a fun time, as often with this game.
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I have criticisms of the chapter but I feel like some folks just need a different story... Like this is clearly building to Vi's corruption and enjoying her accelerating slutty behaviour, I'm here for that.
At the pace the story releases tho if we get so much pushback everytime she takes a step forward it's gonna be years before the story gets anywhere lol.
Some of the scenes felt rushed to me but my main complaint is the audience should at least see what happens (hopefully in next chapter though I would have preferred here) even if Eric doesn't.
The double standard is weird to me like, Eric is messing around all over the place and people get upset over Vi giving a blowjob? Really?
Different strokes I guess lol
At the pace the story releases tho if we get so much pushback everytime she takes a step forward it's gonna be years before the story gets anywhere lol.
Some of the scenes felt rushed to me but my main complaint is the audience should at least see what happens (hopefully in next chapter though I would have preferred here) even if Eric doesn't.
The double standard is weird to me like, Eric is messing around all over the place and people get upset over Vi giving a blowjob? Really?
Different strokes I guess lol
Maybe a bit rushed, but I sure did love the new chapter, though I rather wanted to seen Eric with Anya instead, Ari isn't my taste really, wouldn't like to see my hubby with such ugly slut. But i'm looking forward in how Eric will punish his girlfriend for being disobedient, after all she did now do things without asking his permission, this is something Eric shouldn't let go unpunished. And we saw her only giving a bj, but we already know alot more probably happened that not yet revealed.
Looking already forward to next chapters...
Looking already forward to next chapters...
I can say with confidence discords aren't nearly as toxic as the threads here.
This is 100% the case, I don't get why people get so worked up on here like, y'all know what kinda girl Vi is gonna be it's foreshadowed in the opening dream sequence lol