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BeagleBoi

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At this point he really should just start doing progress reports and stop setting dates
He wont lmao, the progress log would expose hes slacking off, plus i wouldnt be surprised if he already has everything he had planned ready a long time ago, and is just realeasing some parts of it per update. That way he can squeeze all the money he can :unsure:
 
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Paitryn

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what a load of bullshit. His scenes are all from TK17 and RPGM practically holds your hand as you make a game. the only reason it's hard is because he made it that way unnecessarily with stupid plugins.

Ive played around in a lot of engines. GMS, Renpy, Unity, RPGM VX and MV. It honestly doesn't get easier than RPGMV. And the TK17 scenes are only hard when you have to get the mods to work in that thing. I never really could so I gave up on it. But he's had that part working since the beginning. after that its just screen shots and screencaptures.

FFS stop pissing on my back and telling me it's raining.

and if he's really taking those meds because the game causes his anxiety, he needs to fucking quit.
 

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It not good to rush your work last minute, this is what maybe is contributing to his depression and anxiety couple with the black-lash. He cant keep up with his work; therefore don't rush it and work on it everyday little by little. If he really do have health problems to take such a semi strong serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, he should quit making games. Finish this out then chill because you simple cant keep up. But know these kind of patterns from devs, people have seen and knowledgeable enough to know when something is weird (well my circles at least, hence I hate EA). I would not be surprise when a dev managed to finish/rush due to health problems; then suddenly release a new game, saying everything is good and they are in high spirits. They are all better. Well good for you, but you not reliable, simple as that. This weird pattern is seen over and over again. It dangerous to make a game it seems. If you are that susceptible to mental problems, then change careers/hobbies.

Nevertheless, just have some kind of courtesy to your fans/patrons especially. Pirates are pirates but this is a money thing, he owe some form of respect to his patrons. I saw 'mind numbing' comments in this thread saying they don't owe anything, that artistry. Since when....I must be living in the past.

Is it just me or all dev seems to have problems, huge problems. I not dumbing down psychological problems, don't get it twisted. That's a very serious thing.
Just this is my opinion from observation; this kind of excuses on due date is nothing new, that's why it is questionable. All dev starts of great, to make their patrons/money then Satan seems to tap their shoulders :unsure:, scary stuff. This entire post is not meant to beat the dev down, but like come on, there are two sides to a coin. This is why it is hard to believe at this point with this kind of trend; but, if it is genuine, keep that info of your personal life private and just retire, some friendly advice. Bon needs to change his ways and make a come back. If not, then finish strong!!!

Regardless, If honestly true, I sincerely hope he gets better, I really do (y).

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IAmTheWurst

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He wont lmao, the progress log would expose hes slacking off, plus i wouldnt be surprised if he already has everything he had planned ready a long time ago, and is just realeasing some parts of it per update. That way he can squeeze all the money he can :unsure:
I strongly believe that he has burnt out. I produced the same symptoms, especially the self-delusion. I can even guess his work schedule: procrastinating until the last minute, doing some crunch, then coming up with an excuse to buy some time. Definitely should take at least 5-6 months of pause/vacation/recovery time. Maybe more. If there won't be some change, this exact thing will continue endlessly.
 

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It not good to rush your work last minute, this is what maybe is contributing to his depression and anxiety couple with the black-lash. He cant keep up with his work; therefore don't rush it and work on it everyday little by little.

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I've always had this idea that the approach seems to be wrong. I mean if you want to keep people playing one game, why instead of trying to make a game that has a definitive ending and then stretch it out? Why not make something of a serial. Each month is more of an episode?

at that point you could work at a pace that befits your ability. Create and release a backlog of releases as you are creating monthly content intentionally you're not deciving anyone. And everyone knows its going to be forever because its episodic on purpose.

Players can have a much bigger attachment to those characters in that reguard and you're just pumping out content at a steady pace you can keep up with. As long as the content and the story keeps steady it should satisfy everyone better IMO.
 

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Guys, we all love this game, but maybe he is still sick? I have never defended him before, I have not paid for the game for a very long time, but I faced depression for no reason at all and now I am also experiencing depression and I can say that it is very difficult to force yourself to do something, you feel like a piece of meat without joy and longing for something. Perhaps he also has such a condition and what tells this, maybe he just wants support. This is so sad, sorry...
 

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Guys, we all love this game, but maybe he is still sick? I have never defended him before, I have not paid for the game for a very long time, but I faced depression for no reason at all and now I am also experiencing depression and I can say that it is very difficult to force yourself to do something, you feel like a piece of meat without joy and longing for something. Perhaps he also has such a condition and what tells this, maybe he just wants support. This is so sad, sorry...
Yes I agree wholeheartedly. But dont you think it is strange, the way he communicates? Only at due dates, he himself sets. Something always happens to him on due dates, I thought I had bad luck. That pattern and excuses is what have people questioning.

If you have problems, take a step back and sort out yourself first. The game can wait, can it? Genuinely asking? Is it more important than your health?? To be a devil advocate of my own comment, maybe it is his only livelihood and I really hope it is not.

I maybe from a older time, but support from 'what' , strangers online and adult games to boot, they can easily make you go over that edge. Honestly the best thing is to step back. But I understand from your point of view, and maybe, just maybe, that why he has his own private discord. That's kinda their responsibility in a sense to give support, ain't it? But in the end, is that the right/good/needed support to truly help him :unsure:

But yeah man, I agree to a degree. He needs help and support but from his family and friends, no doubt about that.
Nevertheless, everyone handles their issues in different ways, so my way, may not be right for him.
I really hope he gets the right help and gets better.
 
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Yes I agree wholeheartedly. But dont you think it is strange, the way he communicates? Only at due dates, he himself sets. Something always happens to him on due dates, I thought I had bad luck. That pattern and excuses is what have people questioning.

If you have problems, take a step back and sort out yourself first. The game can wait, can it? Genuinely asking? Is it more important than your health?? To be a devil advocate of my own comment, maybe it is his only livelihood, I have no clue and I really hope it is not.

I maybe from a older time, but support from 'what' strangers online and adult games to boot, they can easily make you go over that edge. Honestly the best thing is to step back. But I understand from your point of view, and maybe just maybe that why he have his own private discord, aint that kinda their responsibility in a sense. Not really really, but I hope you get what I mean. But yeah man, I agree he needs help and support from his family and friends, no doubt about that. Nevertheless, everyone handle their issues in different ways, so my way may not be right for him. I hope he gets better
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Bro, what makes you think that a Beggar is in a bad way right now? Have you seen the screenshots from his hospital record? All you can know for SURE is that BoN periodically delays the release of updates. This is true. Everything else is a "fog of war" (a game term). That is, this is the information that you learn from the messages of the Beggar HIMSELF, which he publishes HIMSELF. This info can be either true, partially true or outright false, depending on the goal pursued dev himself.
Let's say now BoN will post another version of his bug-ridden game. Don't rush to fix it. Let this be a lesson to all loyal fans of a Beggar, both on this forum and outside. It might be cruel. But this is the dose of medicine that everyone needs: both to a Beggar himself and to fans of MNL.
 

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However ...
Bro, what makes you think that a Beggar is in a bad way right now? Have you seen the screenshots from his hospital record? All you can know for SURE is that BoN periodically delays the release of updates. This is true. Everything else is a "fog of war" (a game term). That is, this is the information that you learn from the messages of the Beggar HIMSELF, which he publishes HIMSELF. This info can be either true, partially true or outright false, depending on the goal pursued dev himself.
Let's say now BON will post another version of his bug-ridden game. Don't rush to fix it. Let this be a lesson to all loyal fans of a Beggar, both on this forum and outside. It might be cruel. But this is the dose of medicine that everyone needs: both to a Beggar himself and to fans of MNL.
But what makes you think he is not in a bad way? That is the conundrum, aint it. That why I based of my respond on patterns I notice. Thats it, it not meant to be right or wrong
I think if you read back what I wrote, this is what I was illuminating at.
"This info can be either true, partially true or outright false, depending on the goal pursued dev himself"
True statement, indeed!!!

We will never know. Hence I am hoping the dev finished strong but at the same time, I not blind and come up with my own conclusion based on patterns over time again, which even you posted multiple times about.

I never claim what I said is the gold standard or set in stone. It can be argued as it may very well be wrong. I said, this is my opinion. I even said in some post back and many times before that I will stop the bug fixing as it may be kind of like a crutch. So yeah, thats some solid advice in truth
 

BeagleBoi

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Guys, we all love this game, but maybe he is still sick? I have never defended him before, I have not paid for the game for a very long time, but I faced depression for no reason at all and now I am also experiencing depression and I can say that it is very difficult to force yourself to do something, you feel like a piece of meat without joy and longing for something. Perhaps he also has such a condition and what tells this, maybe he just wants support. This is so sad, sorry...
I see where youre coming from, personally, ive been battling clinical depression since 2020, ive had my VERY down lows, as well as my high moments, as of right now i feel fine. Depression and any mental illness is no joke, and i am one of the first people who will defend anyone who presents any form of mental illness. But theres a problem here, like Solace and other people in the thread have said, theres money involved here, which is never good believe me. I honestly wouldnt write about him if this was a free, fairly early game, id be completely understanding, but what bothers me is the constant lies. Every time theres a due date (which he puts himself mind you), theres an excuse ready, if this was the first time? Cool, no problem, these things happen, but this is a cycle that has been going on for a while, and the game that was supposed to be brought to a close in fall this year, is getting new mechanics, and no ending in sight. Messing with other peoples money is a dangerous game, never ends well, and everybody has a limit. Plus i will add this, i agree with what solace said, from the looks of it, he CANT keep up anymore, cant handle making a game, or taking backlash, at this point, he should just finish the game and take an indefinite break, or retire from making games all together
 

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I see where youre coming from, personally, ive been battling clinical depression since 2020, ive had my VERY down lows, as well as my high moments, as of right now i feel fine. Depression and any mental illness is no joke, and i am one of the first people who will defend anyone who presents any form of mental illness. But theres a problem here, like Solace and other people in the thread have said, theres money involved here, which is never good believe me. I honestly wouldnt write about him if this was a free, fairly early game, id be completely understanding, but what bothers me is the constant lies. Every time theres a due date (which he puts himself mind you), theres an excuse ready, if this was the first time? Cool, no problem, these things happen, but this is a cycle that has been going on for a while, and the game that was supposed to be brought to a close in fall this year, is getting new mechanics, and no ending in sight. Messing with other peoples money is a dangerous game, never ends well, and everybody has a limit. Plus i will add this, i agree with what solace said, from the looks of it, he CANT keep up anymore, cant handle making a game, or taking backlash, at this point, he should just finish the game and take an indefinite break, or retire from making games all together
Totally agree man, you said it better!!

I know Im a random stranger, but sorry to hear about your depression man. Glad you okay now. Not to get in your business or anything. Just keep that strength bro and always push forward, blessing my g (y)
 
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